Foo - The mat.

Guess what? Guess who always gets "effed" with? ME! :)

I hate people. :mad:

I don't trust anyone.

Later days.

No more Mr. Nice Guy.

dude, it's gonna be fiiiiiiinnnnne

:p

yeah.... you shoulda paid more attention to my sigs.

Don't take life too seriously, you're never gonna get out alive...

Where is the loyalty? I stand up through thick and thin for my employee and I find out she hasn't even been working for me! She always has an excuse why things aren't done. I've always accepted it, covered for her and let it slide. I've taken the heat for things being incomplete. I rush like heck to finish it for her. Come to find out, she's not even been in my department!!!! I have even resorted to walking into work unexpectedly just to find her missing. I've even waited for her return and I don't see her! Everytime I get told about her inefficiency I stick up for her and figure they are picking on her.

Well......I finally got fed up. I docked her 12 hours for last week. TOO EFFING BAD!!!!


And to top it off, MY boss tells me, "Well ha ha you finally got to see what we've been seeing for months. You don't like it when they lie to you, huh? She's been lying to you."

I believed in her. I give her all of her requested days off. I give her overtime. I don't leave her too much to do. I buy her lunch.

Next week, I put her on schedule with me for one day. I gave her to another department.

:eek: You mentioned this person in another post a while back, no? Sorry she seems to have seriously taken advantage of how nice you are. :mad:

Yes I have and I've just about had it. She's gone for next week. Let's see if working in another (tougher boss) department is something that would be better for her. Maybe she would realize how plush she has it with me. No more Mr. Nice Guy! She's outta here. Later days!

But the hard part is....she's a fantastic employee if she would only stay in our department! Hopefullly she will see that. We'll see how I fare without her this week (I'll just give more hours to my other girl who is a workhorse). Maybe I won't take her back.

May I suggest a quick read, The One Minute Manager? I know that you feel like you were let down by this person and you were. But keep in mind that IF she wasn't working for you and you were led to believe she was, then your company has organizational, leadership and probably logistical problems. Also your supervisory role is to direct, mentor, and facilitate. If she ain't doing it then you HAVE to get her attention- and on track- not cover for her. Someone shuffled a problem through you to see what you would do, and you tried to hide it -out of a sense of loyalty and "teamwork". I am probably reading too much into this but you might be angry at yourself, not for being played, but because you did not support your own standards and you knew it at the time.

I may be new to this forum, but I have led and managed more than a few companies and organizations, and my "offspring" and subordinates are doing well too. I believe that you are going to be really really good. You have passion and compassion. You are bright and express yourself very well. Now it is time to lead and manage and you have to learn that craft. Read the book I mentioned. It is a start. Next, pick up a copy of IBD (Investor's Business Daily) once or twice a week and study the columns on leadership. Next, write down the names of 5 leaders and/or supervisors you RESPECT the most and write down the 2 or 3 characteristics in each that make you admire them. Make a conscious effort to emulate those characteristics. Write down the initials only of 2 or 3 that you do not respect and why. Be specific. Do not do those things. Do you know the difference between a goal and a dream? Not much. A goal has a date assigned to it. The characteristics of leadership excercise (written, remember) should be accomplished fairly soon 2 days to a week. You will be well on your way to learning your craft.

Remember that old saying that one bad apple spoils the box? Well, people prefer to hang out around happy and upbeat smiling faces. One person can also turn an entire culture around. If games are being played in your organization, then you can recognize it, start to fix it and assume your natural role as leader. Or you can make a graceful exit to a better position. You've got the talent. Every company wants you or someone who could become you.

May I suggest a quick read, The One Minute Manager? I know that you feel like you were let down by this person and you were. But keep in mind that IF she wasn't working for you and you were led to believe she was, then your company has organizational, leadership and probably logistical problems. Also your supervisory role is to direct, mentor, and facilitate. If she ain't doing it then you HAVE to get her attention- and on track- not cover for her. Someone shuffled a problem through you to see what you would do, and you tried to hide it -out of a sense of loyalty and "teamwork". I am probably reading too much into this but you might be angry at yourself, not for being played, but because you did not support your own standards and you knew it at the time.

I may be new to this forum, but I have led and managed more than a few companies and organizations, and my "offspring" and subordinates are doing well too. I believe that you are going to be really really good. You have passion and compassion. You are bright and express yourself very well. Now it is time to lead and manage and you have to learn that craft. Read the book I mentioned. It is a start. Next, pick up a copy of IBD (Investor's Business Daily) once or twice a week and study the columns on leadership. Next, write down the names of 5 leaders and/or supervisors you RESPECT the most and write down the 2 or 3 characteristics in each that make you admire them. Make a conscious effort to emulate those characteristics. Write down the initials only of 2 or 3 that you do not respect and why. Be specific. Do not do those things. Do you know the difference between a goal and a dream? Not much. A goal has a date assigned to it. The characteristics of leadership excercise (written, remember) should be accomplished fairly soon 2 days to a week. You will be well on your way to learning your craft.

Remember that old saying that one bad apple spoils the box? Well, people prefer to hang out around happy and upbeat smiling faces. One person can also turn an entire culture around. If games are being played in your organization, then you can recognize it, start to fix it and assume your natural role as leader. Or you can make a graceful exit to a better position. You've got the talent. Every company wants you or someone who could become you.

Gunny-sacking... eventually it gets too heavy and crushes you...

Hey sis, I'll come work for you! I'm dog loyal, honest trustworthy dependable and most of all I'm a cheap (lunch) date. Think about it. ;)

Yeah bad employees suck. I feel for ya. I've got one who just doesn't get it... Which sucks because they're a nice person, but there's just not much you can do with someone who is really nice, really eager, and really clueless.

I had the SAME PROBLEM. I had a paralegal that I totally stuck up for and too find out the last year he had been lying about everything. He INTENTIONALLY ruined cases of ours. I got complaints from the courts other attorneys. The frustrating thing is I told my BOSSES but they were dead set on not firing this person. Well HE QUIT. So I hired a new paralegal, I'm the one left training the new paralegal, I'm the one fixing all the messed up cases he left behind.
That brings me to my post "Do you believe in Karma" I was super nice to this guy, gave him the benefit of the doubt kind of thing, listened to all of his personal DRAMA, etc. Then to find out he was burning us all for over a year!!! JERK.
I'm there with you siu.

lol, the only sure things in life, is that you will get ****ed and that people are a can of worms. can't go fishing without the worms, but they're a can of worms :D

You're got the right idea and you're concerned about your employees. Don't loose faith and keep the motivation. The secret is really get to know employees - what they like and don't like both inside work and outside. Get them to really confide in you and feel comfortable talking with you where they value the relationship. When that occurs you'll either find out what makes them a better performer in the job or maybe they are suited for something else. In that latter case, help them move on. If it's the former, use your knowledge of what motivates them to be an exceptional worker. But you have the right attitude and care about people to make it all happen.

You're got the right idea and you're concerned about your employees. Don't loose faith and keep the motivation. The secret is really get to know employees - what they like and don't like both inside work and outside. Get them to really confide in you and feel comfortable talking with you where they value the relationship. When that occurs you'll either find out what makes them a better performer in the job or maybe they are suited for something else. In that latter case, help them move on. If it's the former, use your knowledge of what motivates them to be an exceptional worker. But you have the right attitude and care about people to make it all happen.
My dad taught my mom how to do that. You wouldn't believe how well that works. Even if the employee is ****ty, when working with that person that employee will jump through loopholes.

Get them to really confide in you and feel comfortable talking with you where they value the relationship.

Bah. Bosses try to do that then **** you in the *** once you talk to 'em. Nothing like confiding something in your boss and then finding out they went behind your back with the info.

I think thats why software developers/architects are listed as being one of the best jobs of this century. Because you deal with alot less of that drama crap.

Workers like that are a worthless liability. My theory would be kiss her goodby and fire her ass. There is just no point in having an employee like that. I guarantee you somebody better than her is looking for a job.

Well......I finally got fed up. I docked her 12 hours for last week. TOO EFFING BAD!!!!



You've got some serious legal problems coming if you docked her 12 hours and she worked them. Maybe I missed something here, but did she actually put a false claim in for hours worked, or did you take it upon yourself to play this?
Had you verbally warned her and diarized it first? Have your formally warned her of pending disiplinary action if she fails to correct her work practice?
Had the disiplinary procedures been explained fully to her during her orientation?
My advice is to make sure you have followed every step before you make any type of knee jerk reaction. Depending on the professionalism of your company, you could be the one who faces the action if you haven't been supervising this employee in accordance with your position description.

I think thats why software developers/architects are listed as being one of the best jobs of this century. Because you deal with alot less of that drama crap.


?!?!?!?!?!?

I am a software developer and I've dealt with drama crap at several jobs. My last job was loaded with it.

And to throw out a totally predjudiced and discriminatory comment that'll prolly catch me a lot of flack, but women bosses are worse than men bosses.

Men are incompetent, or a$$holes, but the women are the ones who'll be sweet to your face and stab you in the back ten seconds later. The two women bosses I've worked for (and one I didn't work for, but had to work with) were like that, whereas the men were never underhanded even if they were jerks about something.

?!?!?!?!?!?

I am a software developer and I've dealt with drama crap at several jobs. My last job was loaded with it.

And to throw out a totally predjudiced and discriminatory comment that'll prolly catch me a lot of flack, but women bosses are worse than men bosses.

Men are incompetent, or a$$holes, but the women are the ones who'll be sweet to your face and stab you in the back ten seconds later. The two women bosses I've worked for (and one I didn't work for, but had to work with) were like that, whereas the men were never underhanded even if they were jerks about something.
I've had great women bosses and great men bosses. I've also had crappy women bosses and crappy men bosses. The day I got fired from my last job, my male boss bought me lunch. If I were about to fire someone (on made-up reasons, no less), I sure as hell wouldn't buy them lunch the day I was going to do it. At least the one crappy woman boss I had was upfront with her dislike for me.

?!?!?!?!?!?

I am a software developer and I've dealt with drama crap at several jobs. My last job was loaded with it.

And to throw out a totally predjudiced and discriminatory comment that'll prolly catch me a lot of flack, but women bosses are worse than men bosses.

Men are incompetent, or a$$holes, but the women are the ones who'll be sweet to your face and stab you in the back ten seconds later. The two women bosses I've worked for (and one I didn't work for, but had to work with) were like that, whereas the men were never underhanded even if they were jerks about something.
I said "lesssss" i didn't say it was void of it or non-existant. just said , less :p

You've got some serious legal problems coming if you docked her 12 hours and she worked them. Maybe I missed something here, but did she actually put a false claim in for hours worked, or did you take it upon yourself to play this?
Had you verbally warned her and diarized it first? Have your formally warned her of pending disiplinary action if she fails to correct her work practice?
Had the disiplinary procedures been explained fully to her during her orientation?
My advice is to make sure you have followed every step before you make any type of knee jerk reaction. Depending on the professionalism of your company, you could be the one who faces the action if you haven't been supervising this employee in accordance with your position description.
+1 Check w/ your HR dept., but basically if you have a problem employee, you have to document all instances of unsatisfactory work, all meetings you have w/ the employee to discuss why the work is unsatisfactory and what action plans you created w/ the employee to help them improve. If it's their behavior, you have to document that too, document your meetings explaining what behavior is acceptable, etc. You're essentially building a paper trail of employee performance to help the employee become more productive and failing that, documented reasons for letting the employee go.

As of the management part, an even standard of treatment applied to all employees will help drive down the notion of "favorite" or "protected" employees that are underperforming.

You've got some serious legal problems coming if you docked her 12 hours and she worked them. Maybe I missed something here, but did she actually put a false claim in for hours worked, or did you take it upon yourself to play this?
Had you verbally warned her and diarized it first? Have your formally warned her of pending disiplinary action if she fails to correct her work practice?
Had the disiplinary procedures been explained fully to her during her orientation?
My advice is to make sure you have followed every step before you make any type of knee jerk reaction. Depending on the professionalism of your company, you could be the one who faces the action if you haven't been supervising this employee in accordance with your position description.


Oh, don't you worry. I covered my bases. This has been ongoing - the work not getting done. It was a matter of falsifying records. I had approached her at least 2 or 3 times within the past 3 months (actually I was out of work for 3 weeks for jury duty - but I still stopped by) and had meetings with her and two senior management personnel to discuss what we can do to help her succeed. We had asked her if her schedule was a problem, if there were transportation issues, lack of training, what her needs may be, what we can do to help her do her job.

On occasion when I leave, she would immediately abandon her job, and there were witnesses to the fact, backed up by video of the departures. Since the behavior continued after the meetings, she was given in order, 1.) 3 verbal warnings, 2.) 1 written warning, and 3.) another discussion where she was given the chance to either fess up or quit. When she denied it, we offered her the witnesses and the video. She agreed to take a dock in pay, along with signing an explanation of said loss of wages. HR was indeed contacted and present as well as security. They were the ones who got her to fess up.

what is this womans job, anyway?

?!?!?!?!?!?

I am a software developer and I've dealt with drama crap at several jobs. My last job was loaded with it.

And to throw out a totally predjudiced and discriminatory comment that'll prolly catch me a lot of flack, but women bosses are worse than men bosses.

Men are incompetent, or a$$holes, but the women are the ones who'll be sweet to your face and stab you in the back ten seconds later. The two women bosses I've worked for (and one I didn't work for, but had to work with) were like that, whereas the men were never underhanded even if they were jerks about something.


We had a female in our dept that was like that...she was less experienced than any of us (she had 2 years experience, compared to average of 8 years, and my 5 years at the time)...so she asked all kinds of questions, of course seemingly out of newbie curiosity...don't answer. She will take any good ideas you have, and try to pass them off as her own.

I made it a point to disclose "sugar-coated" ideas after the first time she pulled something like that on me. Stuff that sound good to the inexperienced, but will make fools of them in front of anyone who knows anything. Yes it's nasty, but I'd rather have a backstabber think I'm a moron or an ass rather than have someone steal my ideas....if she mentioned I came up with it, then I would have been cool with it.

She also made it a point to be huge drama queen....nobody cares...suck it up and march on. The job is part deak, part electronic, part industrial...you gotta be able to deal. Pretty much everytime she was put in her place, she made a huge scene, or threw a tantrum.

Also turns out there was some political reason why they couldn't fire her....we were so glad when she got a trasnfer to another dept.

She was cute as hell, and pretty cool out of work....but in work she was a total *****.

You never get effed by me. Of course, unless you want me too :p

You never get effed by me. Of course, unless you want me too :p
:rolleyes:

You couldn't handle me.

what is this womans job, anyway?


Display, merchandising and sales.

:rolleyes:

You couldn't handle me.
Its easy "go make me a chicken pot pie woman!". Thats how I'll handle you.

That's Jyo's job.

That's Jyo's job.
Stop talking and make me a chicken pot pie.

Come a little closer so I can make pie out of you.

Come a little closer so I can make pie out of you.
Telling people to make you chicken pot pies pisses em off teheh.

Wha?

I'm not mad right now. Last night I was mad. I'm finished having an attitude. I just don't like people playing games, messing with other's minds and lying. It's not fair because I don't believe in doing that to people. I believe in honesty.

it's hard to detect emotions on the net... that could be angry, sarcastic or sad... or emotionless

There neeeds to be a standard for displaying emotions.
</Sarcasm>
</Wittiness>
</****You*****>
</Sympathy>
</IAmAGoth>

Anyone tries to tell me to make 'em a chicken pot pie will get a mouth full of knuckles for dinner.

seasoned or unseasoned?

Anyone tries to tell me to make 'em a chicken pot pie will get a mouth full of knuckles for dinner.
Well normally you would say it to a chick to get her to shutup. But...

"GO MAKE ME A POT PIE PUNK!!!!"

I love people, I just hate things people do.

Well normally you would say it to a chick to get her to shutup. But...

"GO MAKE ME A POT PIE PUNK!!!!"
I like you NoF3ar. C'mon over here and pay no attention to the crowbar I'm holding. :D

OOuch Crowbar. Somebody's been playing a tad too much Half Life me thinks.

But the hard part is....she's a fantastic employee

Sorry, Siu, but she's not. Somehow you've "adopted" her and are determined to bring out what you think you see there. But after reading your posts, even from here I can see it's not there.

You're too close to the problem now to see that... and somehow you have to make yourself stand back and see the whole picture. Your bosses sound like good ones... they have seen it building for a while but let you handle it. Take their word for it and make the adjustment in your head: she's not a good employee and chances are you're not going to be able to make her into one. To her, you're the boss she can get away with things working for and that's not going to change, either.

Get stern and you become just another *****y boss.... Let her go and move on. If there is a good employee in there waiting to come out, it's time to let another manager try and coax it out of her.

I love people, I just hate things people do.
I love em most with a side of fava beans and a nice chianti.

Sorry, Siu, but she's not. Somehow you've "adopted" her and are determined to bring out what you think you see there. But after reading your posts, even from here I can see it's not there.

Hey there Skiahh. Long time no see .
Very true words :)