Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - High flange help

im looking to invest in some new high flange hubs, fixed/fixed
must be street worthy
any recomendations? links?
and what to stay away from.
thanks.

phil wood. that's all you need to know.

agreed

Mack hubs. Do a forum search for where to get them.

Phil, Paul, Dura Ace, Zipp all make very pretty high-flange track hubs.

phil for sure. i'd say zipp is out of the question for street use

I love my paul hubs.

http://www.paulcomp.com/hflange.pol2.gif

http://www.paulcomp.com/highflngpair.jpg

ohh yeah, i've heard pretty good things about paul's too.

Nothing wrong with Formulas if you're on a budget.

Nothing wrong with Formulas if you're on a budget.
+1, my formulas have treated me quite well.

'nother vote for PW on the street. They have been dreamy on the track as well

Man, Phil is a popular guy lately.

+1, my formulas have treated me quite well.


I thought formulas were fixed free...

One vote for the promax loose bearings. Super smooth goodness.

I'm building up a set of DAs now, mostly because they are 2/3 the price of Pfils.

Another option if you don't have a big budget are Surly hubs. They ride just fine and, although they aren't Phils, I think they look pretty good.

Formulas are either fixed/free or fixed/fixed.

DA are absolutely the nicest feeling hubs i've ever encountered. smoother than my phil's because they're loose beering

Hi Tony. Keeping it this side of the Atlantic, have a look at Goldtec. Made in Wales, bombproof and with sealed bearings. Loads of people use them here in London. they look pretty good and, although they're not cheap, they don't cost the same as a small house. I reckon sealed bearings are the way forward for street riding unless you like maintaining things pretty often.

You and your damned goldtecs. +90 for phil, +1 for goldtec. Go sealed.

Go sealed.
Sealed is good, but anybody can give you a "sealed" bearing hub. Go cartridge for zero-maintenance reliability.

Hi Tony. Keeping it this side of the Atlantic, have a look at Goldtec. Made in Wales, bombproof and with sealed bearings. Loads of people use them here in London. they look pretty good and, although they're not cheap, they don't cost the same as a small house. I reckon sealed bearings are the way forward for street riding unless you like maintaining things pretty often.

Goldtec... (https://www.betd.co.uk/product_list.asp?CategoryID=15)

They look nice, but also very expensive for what appear to be generic asian-made sealed bearing hubs....

about the same price... (http://cgi.ebay.com/Dura-ace-track-high-flange-hubset-32h-pista-shimano_W0QQitemZ7236319193QQcategoryZ36144QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Hi Tony. Keeping it this side of the Atlantic, have a look at Goldtec. Made in Wales, bombproof and with sealed bearings. Loads of people use them here in London. they look pretty good and, although they're not cheap, they don't cost the same as a small house. I reckon sealed bearings are the way forward for street riding unless you like maintaining things pretty often.

Goldtec... (https://www.betd.co.uk/product_list.asp?CategoryID=15)

They look nice, but also very expensive for what appear to be generic asian-made sealed bearing hubs....

about the same price... (http://cgi.ebay.com/Dura-ace-track-high-flange-hubset-32h-pista-shimano_W0QQitemZ7236319193QQcategoryZ36144QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

They look nice, but also very expensive for what appear to be generic asian-made sealed bearing hubs....



Do you mean appear as in they look like asian-made hubs or do you think they are actually made in Asia? If it's an aesthetic point then cool, although I don't agree, if it's a factual point then they are made in Wales, which isn't in Asia.

Whatever you go for I would get cartridge bearings (what I meant by sealed) cos they require very little maintenance. Formulas, Surlys, Goldtecs and Phils all have cartridge bearings although the quality of the hubshell, axle and bolts varies with the cost. Phils are prettier than Goldtec and a lot more expensive as well.

You could have a look at those ones that Gromada brought to Dublin - what does Ed think of the ones he won?

Do you mean appear as in they look like asian-made hubs or do you think they are actually made in Asia? If it's an aesthetic point then cool, although I don't agree, if it's a factual point then they are made in Wales, which isn't in Asia.

Whatever you go for I would get cartridge bearings (what I meant by sealed) cos they require very little maintenance. Formulas, Surlys, Goldtecs and Phils all have cartridge bearings although the quality of the hubshell, axle and bolts varies with the cost. Phils are prettier than Goldtec and a lot more expensive as well.

You could have a look at those ones that Gromada brought to Dublin - what does Ed think of the ones he won?

what's the warranty like on the goldtecs?

what's the warranty like on the goldtecs?

I'm not sure, but I doubt it's anything like as good as what I've heard of Phil's warranty. I heard about a guy who cracked a Goldtec hub shell at the spoke holes and he got a new shell pretty quickly and for free. However, I don't think they will do the stuff that Phil does like replacing hubs with stripped threads.

They're a pretty small company who make various aftermarket parts and their general customer service is good. I bought a built wheel from them which was a really good deal (check the prices on the website - labour is basically free) and bought a new axle to respace the hub. Overall they have been good to deal with and the wheel hasn't needed truing after two years of riding.

I think that the Phil's are a better hub, but at a price. Here in the UK Phils are really expensive - roughly the same in pounds as they are in dollars in the US and I would think the same will be true in Dublin.

+1 on the phils

thanks for the feed back but those Gromada hubs look really nice, the waiting period is 2months though so i think il go with them, Ed, havnt seen him in a while havnt a clue if hes done anything with his but il find out.
@momentum-are you the guy with the HUGE bob jackson?

I think that the Phil's are a better hub, but at a price. Here in the UK Phils are really expensive - roughly the same in pounds as they are in dollars in the US and I would think the same will be true in Dublin.

seems like the price thing is solveable; have one of us buy them here and ship them over...

how much can you buy them for Mr.dolface?

Nobody mentioned campy high-flange c-records. Dunno why. They're my favorite. No longer made, of course, but pretty easy to find. The best way to get an affordable set is to buy them already laced to some rims.

They are unsealed non-cartridge bearing hubs, but they're a delight to work on and hands-down the most gorgeous hubs I've ever seen.

Cuz they have a reputation for breaking where the spokes go in (i know a few people who use them, but they tend to be smaller people), and they're not warrantied for street use the way phils are.

Sure are pretty though.

how much can you buy them for Mr.dolface?

$US285.00, for single-sided 36h silver, more for colors.

thanks, i dont think il take you up on the offer due to lack of funds but somebody should.
thanks again.

That reputation is crap, and it's all based on that photo on Sheldon's site. I've got four sets of campy hubs.

And since they're not manufactured any more, and dude here would likely be buying a used set, it seems like the warranty issue would be kinda moot, doesn't it?

But that's cool, you guys all stay away from them. More mind-blowing hubs for me.

Hey don't get me wrong, I'd love a pair if I had a bike that would be right for them.

@momentum-are you the guy with the HUGE bob jackson?

That's me - hope everything's going well on the other side of the Irish Sea.


Dolface - that's a very cool offer you made, if only I had the money or need for more bike parts!

I think that the Phil's are a better hub, but at a price. Here in the UK Phils are really expensive - roughly the same in pounds as they are in dollars in the US and I would think the same will be true in Dublin.

You can buy 'em direct from Phil Wood if you live in a country without a dealer (ie whole of bloody Europe almost). The shipping is quick and the price is pretty good (you will pay pretty close to current US prices). My girlfriend, gawd bless 'er, bought me one for christmas this way.

thanks for the feed back but those Gromada hubs look really nice, the waiting period is 2months though so i think il go with them, Ed, havnt seen him in a while havnt a clue if hes done anything with his but il find out.
@momentum-are you the guy with the HUGE bob jackson?
You do not need to go through middleman - there was an email to Maciej posted to the forum - it is OK to contact him directly. The wait time will be shorter, too. And they roollll. The only thing I have seen rolling better was a front Record hub (oversized road post 1999 version) which I modified to accept a set of ceramic cartridge bearings I got cheaply.

Mack hubs (http://www.pbase.com/wojtek_burkot/hubs)

You do not need to go through middleman

Are the Mack hubs the same as Gromada hubs? The ones I saw looked pretty similar but said Gromada where those ones say Mack. Do the Mack hubs have aluminium axles with really long allen bolts to provide some of the strength? Do you know how much the Mack hubs cost?

So many questions...

Are the Mack hubs the same as Gromada hubs? The ones I saw looked pretty similar but said Gromada where those ones say Mack. Do the Mack hubs have aluminium axles with really long allen bolts to provide some of the strength? Do you know how much the Mack hubs cost?

So many questions...
Yes, they are the same.
Maciej makes them all - my understanding is that he tries to rise the brand awarness and marks them Mack recently. They were offered through Gromad site, bearing Gromada name. They also existed as Keirin and were available through one of Berlin cycling shops. You can specify flange size (med high, low) and the drilling. There is also single speed version intended for dished wheels - somebody posted the link to the auction of these - Maciej sells them under something like giewont1 handle on eBay.

Yes, they do have and oversized axle with something like Phil's "chrome dome" with really clever design (the part of the axle serrated, stainless steel bit, while a really long allen bolt goes through the alu dome/washer on the outside of track ends. I questioned the solution (lack of serration and alu on the outside) but Maciej convinced me it was allright. He was right - never had a problem with the axle slipping.

I do not know about the price, I bought mine cheaply, because I really took somebody else's medium flange one which Maciej drilled as per my spec and Maciej is a friend of a friend. Also it was at the time he has not established the reputation yet - they were cheaper. I believe I have posted the price I have paid. If you search for Mack and my handle you might find this post. The images of the low and med flange ones are available through the link in the post you replied to. The detail of the bolt-on solution is clearly visible.

I thought they looked similar. I met Gromada in Dublin - he was a super cool guy and the weekend was a ball. He gave a pair of these hubs as the prize for the footdown competition and I had a look at them. The design is good (as you said) and they look really well made. Plus they're beautiful, especially the large flange ones that Gromada had.

How many km have you put on yours and how do you like them?

I thought they looked similar. I met Gromada in Dublin - he was a super cool guy and the weekend was a ball. He gave a pair of these hubs as the prize for the footdown competition and I had a look at them. The design is good (as you said) and they look really well made. Plus they're beautiful, especially the large flange ones that Gromada had.

How many km have you put on yours and how do you like them?
1000km, half on trainer, half on cr@@ppy after-the-long-winter roads. Durable: survived with scratch on one of the "domes" the incident on trainer which delaminated (from heat) a vittoria pro tyre. Still smooth.
Oh, last but not least the looks: the med flange ones go really well with shamal rims and 16 bladed spokes :p

thanks a millon for the information.
http://www.gromada.waw.pl/ -il ask him next time i see him on the road, they look sexy and sound good and arent hugely expensive.
all is well in dublin.
thanks vobopl.

DA are absolutely the nicest feeling hubs i've ever encountered. smoother than my phil's because they're loose beering
I thought DA was sealed...

anyone ride Miche Primato's on the street?

anyone ride Miche Primato's on the street?

*hand up*

Yeah. Roll nice, and no problems yet. Only like 300 miles on them so far, though.

I thought DA was sealed...

nope

Dura Ace, Campy Sheriff star, Suntour Superb... forget Phil