Road Cycling - Lemond Geometry?

I had the opportunity to ride a Lemond the other day. It was on a trainer, but I noticed that I could feel my quads working more then normal. I think it is because of a slightly shorter top tube? steeper geometry? It sort of felt like my butt was right over the crank. ARe the lemonds supposed be used with a setback post? it felt weird, man.

Am I alone in this experiece?

I think quads burn when the saddle is lower than your accustomed to. When I lowered my saddle to recommended height of www.Wrenchscience.com, I felt it immediatly in the quads. Not to say that that is indicative of too low a height, just a different muscle group doing the lifting, I guess.

LeMond geometry, with it's relaxed seat tube position puts the rider further behind the pedals allowing the muscle groups to be used more evenly. You end up with a bike frame with a longer top tube than average.

I think quads burn when the saddle is lower than your accustomed to. When I lowered my saddle to recommended height of www.Wrenchscience.com, I felt it immediatly in the quads. Not to say that that is indicative of too low a height, just a different muscle group doing the lifting, I guess.

The Lemond Geometry is given here:
http://www.lemondbikes.com/2003/tech-center/tech_geometry.html#top
The seat tube angle is not steep at all. Perhaps your saddle is adjusted too far forward? Or frame size smaller than optimal?

Originally posted by Cipher
LeMond geometry, with it's relaxed seat tube position puts the rider further behind the pedals allowing the muscle groups to be used more evenly. You end up with a bike frame with a longer top tube than average. Lemonds really do have comparatively longer TT. Many riders, depending on leg length will move the saddle forward to get correct KOP.,therby negating it's effect. Ones own geometry affects how one deals with Lemond geometry.It just doesn't work for some. But the posters preception ol lemond geometry was all wrong to begin with.Maybe it had to do with saddle position and no attention to correct KOP.

slack seat tube, fairly steep head tube, short
fork rake, long top tube . . .
sounds suspiciously like 60's & 70's era
classic Italian frame geometry. Look at pics of
Merckx's bikes, Lemond Geometry is nothing new.
Just a return to sound geometries. The steep head tube
steep seat tube are great for Crits, and track bikes
but to be honest most roadies don't need it.

Marty

I know that lemond is made by trek now, is that the same geometry as what is used in the treks?

Originally posted by Phatman
Am I alone in this experiece?
Sounds like it... as others have said, probably something in the setup. When I ride a bike with a more stretched out geometry, I feel it in the muscles in my butt and the back of my legs.

Originally posted by Phatman
I know that lemond is made by trek now, is that the same geometry as what is used in the treks? Nope.Check their sites.Lemond geometry is still distinctly Lemond.Only time it was the same as Trek was the few years that Lemond put their decals on the Trek OCLV.

So, a Lemond 53 cm frame is comparable to a Trek 54 cm frame (2300 or 5200), since lemond measures center to center, not center to top. If you look at the respective web sites, however, you see that the top tube of the Trek is actually a tad longer than the Lemond (54.6 vs. 54.5). So is all this talk about strange Lemond geometry just hype or misunderstanding, or are there other aspects of the geometry that are also contributing?

Originally posted by jonny texas
So, a Lemond 53 cm frame is comparable to a Trek 54 cm frame (2300 or 5200), since lemond measures center to center, not center to top. If you look at the respective web sites, however, you see that the top tube of the Trek is actually a tad longer than the Lemond (54.6 vs. 54.5). So is all this talk about strange Lemond geometry just hype or misunderstanding, or are there other aspects of the geometry that are also contributing? what's contributing is Treks oddball and almost unique way of measuring frames c-top of an extended seattube.And, Treks actually run long,end up with a shorter standover and lower bars per a given or similar frame size.The Trek seat angle is steeper too.The lemond is not that different when comapred to some brands,but is alot different when compared to others.One just has to pick the comparison