...and from a biker no less (motorcycle)! I was in the center of a NOL that was the only lane going that direction. Previously, I saw the biker behind a car who was behind me with a shoulder check. Despite the presence of double, solid yellow lines that forbid passing, the car got around me fairly impatiently (or so it seemed to me), and, while I was thinking about him, the biker pulled up RIGHT along side of me and gave me his "advice". He probably came within two inches of my left handlebar at one point and then stayed between 6 and 12 inches away (too damn close, in other words). Obviously he did this just to rattle me. After he finished his line and waited a second for a response, he blasted off ahead of me for added emphasis.
I was, actually, somewhat entertained by the whole incident! :D I've read about this occurring so much on these forums that I knew it would happen sooner or later, and I, daresay, might have been looking forward to it! I couldn't think of anything smart to say to the balding 30-something, so I first gave him a look of genuine surprise which then transformed into amusement mixed with curiosity. It's like when you watch a child do something he or she thinks is so original yet you know to be so common. :)
Unfortunately, while the guy was far from intimidating (though I would have had a problem had he stuck around), he DID put me in danger (I'm still a bit surprised I didn't drift into him), and I forgot to do the one thing that would have made my day: Get his plate number and report him to the Colorado State Patrol! :mad:
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To which he would reply " *arm shove* " cyclist on the gound, broken. Dont antagonize other road users who antagonize you; you reduce yourself to their level, that of a snivellig ape.
AndrewP
"Go fill up your tank with gas!"
velonomad
Just cup your ear like you can't hear and yell back " Did you say you want to lick my-------?"
CommuterRun
Don't know about out your way, but here a motor vehicle can pass a cyclist in a no passing zone, as in avoiding an obstruction, as long as the on-coming lane is clear to do so. A lot of motorists and cyclists don't seem to know this.
Just cup your ear like you can't hear and yell back " Did you say you want to lick my-------?"
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Good one, Velo.
Az B
To which he would reply " *arm shove* " cyclist on the gound, broken. Dont antagonize other road users who antagonize you; you reduce yourself to their level, that of a snivellig ape.
There's a good chance that the motorcyclist would be on the ground too. That really doesn't work too well from either a bicycle or a motorcycle. Don't ask me how I know.
Az
Mos6502
I think the patented "darers go first" reply would have worked nicely.
MrCjolsen
What's an "NOL?"
Bekologist
yep. malevolent drivers are EVERYWHERE, - assuming it even happened (some A&S posters are adamant drivers wouldn't even dream to harass a bicyclist centered in a narrow lane!)
maybe mr head has some good advice as to why this motorcyclist agressively passed you. you weren't centered enough in the lane, you didn't communicate assertively enough, you didn't powerswerve correctly, someone has painted derrogatory statements onto your cycling garb, perhaps?..... but, trust me, ive been schooled by the ersatz cycling armchair zen master and have dispelled the notions- mr head will uncover the real reason this was all your fault, dude.
Prime Directive
^We should start a pool to get you two a tandem....
What's an "NOL?"
Narrow Outside Lane. Basically an outside lane that is too narrow for a bike and car to safely share, thus I was in the middle so following traffic would either have to stay behind me or accept the fact that they'd be moving into another lane.
It took me a while to learn the acronyms too. :)
I think the patented "darers go first" reply would have worked nicely.
You've inspired me! ....
"Lead the way!"
"Lead by example."
"Would you please show me the way?"
Just cup your ear like you can't hear and yell back " Did you say you want to lick my-------?"
:lol:
I knew this thread would be fun!
chicharron
The guy on the motorcyle was wrong. But I would not have responded. I also think that motor vehicles have a right to pass bicyles, and I don't expect cars to have to drive in back of bicycles. I myself wave cars on to go ahead and pass me. Then I can continue riding my bicycle in peace. If I am riding my bicycle at 15-20 mph, and the speed limit is posted 30 mph for autos, why should I expect a motor vehicle to be force to drive 15-20 mph in back of me. Better that he should pass and be on his way.
chicharron
The guy on the motorcyle was wrong. But I would not have responded. I also think that motor vehicles have a right to pass bicyles, and I don't expect cars to have to drive in back of bicycles. I myself wave cars on to go ahead and pass me. Then I can continue riding my bicycle in peace. If I am riding my bicycle at 15-20 mph, and the speed limit is posted 30 mph for autos, why should I expect a motor vehicle to be force to drive 15-20 mph in back of me. Better that he should pass and be on his way.
rando
you never forget your first time.
MrCjolsen
The guy on the motorcyle was wrong. But I would not have responded. I also think that motor vehicles have a right to pass bicyles, and I don't expect cars to have to drive in back of bicycles. I myself wave cars on to go ahead and pass me. Then I can continue riding my bicycle in peace. If I am riding my bicycle at 15-20 mph, and the speed limit is posted 30 mph for autos, why should I expect a motor vehicle to be force to drive 15-20 mph in back of me. Better that he should pass and be on his way.
I'll second that.:)
Jerseysbest
My responses would be either:
"Go back to New Jersey."
Numbnuts
bkrownd
Tomorrow is another day. Do not waste brain cells on this incident.
CB HI
Don't know about out your way, but here a motor vehicle can pass a cyclist in a no passing zone, as in avoiding an obstruction, as long as the on-coming lane is clear to do so. A lot of motorists and cyclists don't seem to know this.
Please provide a link or exact quote to the Florida law that allows such action.
I do not see anything in the law that defines a cyclist as a road obstruction or specifically states a cyclist can be passed with such disregard. Sounds like some urban myth invented by an ignorent cop/motorist. That might explain why “A lot of motorists and cyclists don't seem to know this.”
Section 316.085 Limitations on overtaking, passing, changing lanes and changing course.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0316/SEC085.HTM&Title=->2005->Ch0316->Section%20085#0316.085
Section 316.087 Further limitations on driving to left of center of roadway.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0316/SEC087.HTM&Title=->2005->Ch0316->Section%20087#0316.087
The amount of self righteous know-it-alls seems to increase in spring.
I've been thinking about seeing if I can print select cycling statutes on a business card to hand out. This would not to be to showdown the motorist. Just don't have time to engage in a debate.
I doubt it would do any good so I have not bothered.
TeleJohn
Numbnuts
Sorry Joey.
wagathon
Not sure what NOL means. Cyclists do get very indignant about various driving situations while cycling.
My guess is, the same thing happens while driving. For instance, doesn't everyone get a little peeved when another car seems to slow down for no reason, weave and/or seems to be going much slower than what the perceived flow of traffic should be or a heavily laden truck or big motorhome takes over like a clot in an artery. I'm sure that in such situations it's natural to wonder if these vehicles should even be there if they can't keep up with the flow of traffic.
There are situations where both cyclists and pedestrians share a "bike" path. Then, cyclists probably get annoyed when, for example, two walkers are walking side by side or are walking inattentively instead of politely hopping out of the way like a bunny.
I somethins feel sorry for joggers. They don't have the law on their side when it comes to taking a piece out of the side of the road -- no feeling of entitlement when it comes to sharing the road-- and, usually have to go "against the flow" for their own survival. You can tell from their body language that they've sometimes been hard put to figure out what an oncoming biker is going to do, e.g., try to insist on passing on the joggers right or left and cycling erratically because they're not very skilled at looking over their shoulder and moving over closer to the traffic to pass people on the side of the road.
becnal
TeleJohn says: My response would be "Go back to New Jersey."
Jerseysbest says: Numbnuts
TeleJohn says:Sorry Joey.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
genec
The guy on the motorcyle was wrong. But I would not have responded. I also think that motor vehicles have a right to pass bicyles, and I don't expect cars to have to drive in back of bicycles. I myself wave cars on to go ahead and pass me. Then I can continue riding my bicycle in peace. If I am riding my bicycle at 15-20 mph, and the speed limit is posted 30 mph for autos, why should I expect a motor vehicle to be force to drive 15-20 mph in back of me. Better that he should pass and be on his way.
Certainly... provided the pass is done in a careful safe manner, and not accompanied by threats or bravado.
While certainly I have been passed in a careful safe manner many many times, the passings that stand out most in my mind are where the motorist takes undue risk to themselves to gain scant seconds on me.
genec
The amount of self righteous know-it-alls seems to increase in spring.
I've been thinking about seeing if I can print select cycling statutes on a business card to hand out. This would not to be to showdown the motorist. Just don't have time to engage in a debate.
I doubt it would do any good so I have not bothered.
I've done just that... the opportunity does not often present itself for me to present a card...
But every now and then... GRIN.
Jerseysbest
Sorry Joey.
Joey? I ain't no greasy guido
chipcom
TeleJohn says: My response would be "Go back to New Jersey."
Jerseysbest says: Numbnuts
TeleJohn says:Sorry Joey.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Really, telling someone to go back to Jersey is an insult that could get you killed in 49 states!
chipcom
Joey? I ain't no greasy guido
But I am...you owe me an apology!!!! (or a hamburger...that I'll gladly pay you for on Tuesday)
velonomad
TeleJohn says: My response would be "Go back to New Jersey."
Jerseysbest says: Numbnuts
TeleJohn says:Sorry Joey.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
I had tears coming out of my eyes when I read that! Best wiseass crack I have heard all week http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3254ROFLMAO.gif
filtersweep
I don't get it. If it is too narrow, then it really isn't a lane.
^We should start a pool to get you two a tandem....
Narrow Outside Lane. Basically an outside lane that is too narrow for a bike and car to safely share, thus I was in the middle so following traffic would either have to stay behind me or accept the fact that they'd be moving into another lane.
It took me a while to learn the acronyms too. :)
cudak888
Your experience sounds similar to my morning encounter today. A Pizza Hut deliveryman overtook me down one of our residential streets, allowing about 3" clearance between his rear view mirror and my handlegrips. The fact that the only point of refuge - the right-hand swale - consists of a large 1.5' deep garbage pit (a staple of the Coral Gables area), didn't make things any safer.
Need I mention that he was on his cell phone?
I did make it a point to follow him a few houses down to where he was delivering, and tell him that he nearly kicked me off the road due to his carelessness.
Result? He ignored my presence...and I promptly called the Pizza Hut supervisor. Perhaps if these delivery services receive enough complaints that their drivers are threatening the lives of cyclists, they'll get their act together.
Take care, and stay safe,
-Kurt
Roody
I don't get it. If it is too narrow, then it really isn't a lane.
I'm no engineer but I think a narrow lane is roughly 10 feet (3 m) wide. A car is about 7 feet (2.1 m) wide, a bike is about 2 feet (0.7 m) wide. A NOL is wide enough for either the bike or the car, but a little too close for sharing.
filtersweep
I'm no engineer but I think a narrow lane is roughly 10 feet (3 m) wide. A car is about 7 feet (2.1 m) wide, a bike is about 2 feet (0.7 m) wide. A NOL is wide enough for either the bike or the car, but a little too close for sharing.
So how is it "outside" ?
CB HI
So how is it "outside" ?
The lane closest to the curb = outside. The lane closest to the road center = inside.
Dchiefransom
So how is it "outside" ?
It's closer to the outside edge of the roadway. On a multiple lane road, they number the lanes from the centerline out to the edge. Lane "1" is next to the yellow line.
CB HI
Florida Bicycle Law Enforcement Guide, December 2005, published by the Florida Bicycle Association, page 12, Overtaking and Passing a Vehicle.
So it is some persons misguided interpretation of the law to define a bicycle as a road obstruction rather than the law itself, as I suspected. Note that the BS in italics (below) is not part of the law.
Until a bicycle is defined as a road obstruction, either in the actual law or case law, putting out such BS is a disservice to cyclist. Even worse that it is done by a group calling themselves “Florida Bicycle Association”.
*OVERTAKING AND PASSING A VEHICLE
[§§316.083, 316.085, & 366.0875]
The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle
proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the
left thereof at a safe distance and shall not again
drive to the right side of the roadway until safely
clear of the overtaken vehicle. In every event an
overtaking vehicle must return to an authorized lane
of travel as soon as practicable and, in the event the
passing movement involves the use of a lane
authorized for vehicles approaching from the opposite
direction, before coming within 200 feet of any
approaching vehicle.
The prohibition of passing in no-passing zones
does not apply when an obstruction exists making it
necessary to drive to the left of the center of the
highway [§316.0875(3)]. Thus, when a cyclist is
traveling so slowly as to constitute an "obstruction,"
a motorist may cross the center line in a no-passing
zone to pass the cyclist if the way is clear to do so,
i.e., when it can be seen that any oncoming traffic is
far enough ahead that the motorist could finish
passing before coming within 200 feet of an oncoming
vehicle.
About 1 percent of bicycle-motor vehicle crashes
involve motorists who misjudge the width or
length necessary to pass a cyclist. The Florida
Driver's Handbook recommends that a motorist
passing a cyclist maintain a horizontal clearance
of at least 3 feet. Greater clearance is
needed for larger vehicles or higher speeds.
Close passing causes some cyclists to "hug the
curb," or ride on the sidewalk, where crash risk
actually increases.
genec
I'm no engineer but I think a narrow lane is roughly 10 feet (3 m) wide. A car is about 7 feet (2.1 m) wide, a bike is about 2 feet (0.7 m) wide. A NOL is wide enough for either the bike or the car, but a little too close for sharing.
Actually an auto in the US can legally be up to 8 foot 6 inches... look at SUVs like the Navigator and Excursion. And even though a cycists handlebars may only be 2 feet wide, generally they need a bit more room than that to effectively handle the bike...
Jerseysbest
I had tears coming out of my eyes when I read that! Best wiseass crack I have heard all week http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3254ROFLMAO.gif
All the Italians in this state give it a bad name
CommuterRun
So it is some persons misguided interpretation of the law to define a bicycle as a road obstruction rather than the law itself, as I suspected. Note that the BS in italics (below) is not part of the law.
Until a bicycle is defined as a road obstruction, either in the actual law or case law, putting out such BS is a disservice to cyclist. Even worse that it is done by a group calling themselves “Florida Bicycle Association”.
*OVERTAKING AND PASSING A VEHICLE
[§§316.083, 316.085, & 366.0875]
The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle
proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the
left thereof at a safe distance and shall not again
drive to the right side of the roadway until safely
clear of the overtaken vehicle. In every event an
overtaking vehicle must return to an authorized lane
of travel as soon as practicable and, in the event the
passing movement involves the use of a lane
authorized for vehicles approaching from the opposite
direction, before coming within 200 feet of any
approaching vehicle.
The prohibition of passing in no-passing zones
does not apply when an obstruction exists making it
necessary to drive to the left of the center of the
highway [§316.0875(3)]. Thus, when a cyclist is
traveling so slowly as to constitute an "obstruction,"
a motorist may cross the center line in a no-passing
zone to pass the cyclist if the way is clear to do so,
i.e., when it can be seen that any oncoming traffic is
far enough ahead that the motorist could finish
passing before coming within 200 feet of an oncoming
vehicle.
About 1 percent of bicycle-motor vehicle crashes
involve motorists who misjudge the width or
length necessary to pass a cyclist. The Florida
Driver's Handbook recommends that a motorist
passing a cyclist maintain a horizontal clearance
of at least 3 feet. Greater clearance is
needed for larger vehicles or higher speeds.
Close passing causes some cyclists to "hug the
curb," or ride on the sidewalk, where crash risk
actually increases.
Dude, I don't know who put a tack in your saddle, but the FBA, along with the League of American Bicyclists, is the lead advocacy group for cyclists rights in this state. Their work, over the decades, are why cyclists here have all the rights to the road as do motor vehicles and don't have to put up with any BS laws relegating bicycles to second class status on the roads and highways. Can you say "Vehicular Cycling"? State law guarantees you can do that anywhere in the state, with the exception of limited access highways, because of the efforts of these two groups. They have attorneys that write this stuff specifically for distribution to law enforcement. They also put out DVDs and reams of other information. The LAB also has very good road cycling courses. Not only for Joe Average Citizen, but also for law enforcement personnel. I know an instructor that taught a class a while back, whose entire class was law enforcement.
Their efforts are why the very first paragraph of the bicycle regulations state:
316.2065 Bicycle regulations.--
(1) Every person propelling a vehicle by human power has all of the rights and all of the duties applicable to the driver of any other vehicle under this chapter, except as to special regulations in this chapter, and except as to provisions of this chapter which by their nature can have no application.
"Any other vehicle under this chapter,........" includes all vehicles governed by Chapter 316
"STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL".
In other words, because of the FBA, you and I have the same right to the road as a Kenworth haulin' logs.
Have a nice ride. I did, twice today. Three times last Friday.:)
closetbiker
I'd just smile and say, section 183 and section 157.
(the sections of the Motor Vehicle Act that enable cyclists to use the roadway as any other vehicle and the section that ensures all road users pass and re-enter the lane after the pass in a safe manner)
Prime Directive
I'd like to clear something up....
Do you think I should have moved over during or just before each pass, possibly reducing the resentment generated by the following driver (I assume) and biker for having to cross the yellow line?
On a WOL I'm fine with moving over once I notice a vehicle behind me, but on a NOL I would feel uncomfortable. First off, there is the perceived threat of this encouraging the following motorists to pass without leaving the lane, making a buzz nearly inevitable. This would be especially true if I started the maneuver as they approach rather than during the pass. On the other hand, if I start during the pass the vehicle would probably move beyond me by the time I complete my maneuver over to the side, not only making it pointless, but setting me up for a likely buzz from the next motorist. Additionally, these NOLs are typically busier streets, so I'd be doing this frequently. That could potentially increase my risk of not being seen by cross traffic entering the roadway as well as lessening my ability to avoid any road hazards.
From the motorists' perspective, though, I look like I'm selfishly taking up a whole lane and forcing them into potential oncoming traffic. Colorado law also states the following (emphasis mine)....
(5) Any person riding a bicycle shall ride in the right-hand lane. When being overtaken by another vehicle, such person shall ride as close to the right-hand side as practicable. Where a paved shoulder suitable for bicycle riding is present, persons operating bicycles shall ride on the paved shoulder. These provisions shall apply, except under any of the following situations:
(a) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction;
(b) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway;
(c) When reasonably necessary to avoid hazardous conditions, including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, pedestrians, animals, or surface hazards.
Obviously, most of you and myself would make the case that every bit of what I described above would constitute "hazardous conditions", but I don't know if the law would see it that way. I'm pretty sure the biker would not, if he knew the law in the first place. It seems like reasonable people could disagree here.
Roody
Actually an auto in the US can legally be up to 8 foot 6 inches... look at SUVs like the Navigator and Excursion. And even though a cycists handlebars may only be 2 feet wide, generally they need a bit more room than that to effectively handle the bike...
Thanks. You're somebody who can be relied on when numbers strike. :)
velonomad
All the Italians in this state give it a bad name
Don't worry about it, I am a "Mick" we are all too drunk to notice.
Roody
I'd like to clear something up....
Do you think I should have moved over during or just before each pass, possibly reducing the resentment generated by the following driver (I assume) and biker for having to cross the yellow line?
On a WOL I'm fine with moving over once I notice a vehicle behind me, but on a NOL I would feel uncomfortable. First off, there is the perceived threat of this encouraging the following motorists to pass without leaving the lane, making a buzz nearly inevitable. This would be especially true if I started the maneuver as they approach rather than during the pass. On the other hand, if I start during the pass the vehicle would probably move beyond me by the time I complete my maneuver over to the side, not only making it pointless, but setting me up for a likely buzz from the next motorist. Additionally, these NOLs are typically busier streets, so I'd be doing this frequently. That could potentially increase my risk of not being seen by cross traffic entering the roadway as well as lessening my ability to avoid any road hazards.
I think you really answered your own question. A NOL is defined as a lane that is too narrow to be shared with a car. It's a simple equation: if you can't share it, then you can't share it. The driver must get at least partially into the inner lane in order to pass you, no matter where in the NOL you are riding. The distance at which drivers pass you tends to be proportional to the distance between you and the right edge of the road. Therefore, they will give you more room if you are riding in the center of your lane, than if you're riding on the right edge.
From the motorists' perspective, though, I look like I'm selfishly taking up a whole lane and forcing them into potential oncoming traffic.
You are talking about yielding your right of way to the driver. The verb "yield" means to give away. In this case, to give away your space in the NOL to the driver. However, you have no extra space in the NOL, since it is not wide enough for both you and the car. You cannot give away (yield) or even share something that you do not even possess. The beauty of NOLs is that even the stupidest cager can clearly see that you do not have room to spare, so they don't, in my experience, get mad at you as they might in a WOL or even bike lane. Furthermore, you are not "forcing" drivers into oncoming traffic. They always have the option of slowing behind you and waiting until it is safe to pass. Legally, this is what they are supposed to do. (BTW, in a Narrow OUTER lane, you would not be forcing them into oncoming traffic. You would be forcing them into the INNER lane, with traffic moving alongside them.)
Colorado law also states the following (emphasis mine)....
(5) Any person riding a bicycle shall ride in the right-hand lane. When being overtaken by another vehicle, such person shall ride as close to the right-hand side as practicable. Where a paved shoulder suitable for bicycle riding is present, persons operating bicycles shall ride on the paved shoulder. These provisions shall apply, except under any of the following situations:
(a) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction;
(b) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway;
(c) When reasonably necessary to avoid hazardous conditions, including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, pedestrians, animals, or surface hazards.
Obviously, most of you and myself would make the case that every bit of what I described above would constitute "hazardous conditions", but I don't know if the law would see it that way. I'm pretty sure the biker would not, if he knew the law in the first place. It seems like reasonable people could disagree here.
I'm not a lawyer, but my thought has always been that "as far right as practicable"--in the case of a NOL with no paved shoulder--would be near the center of the lane. It makes no sense (isn't practicable) to ride closer than 3 or 4 feet from the curb or the edge of the pavement. Most reasonable cyclists would feel they need that much distance from the edge, especially if they are traveling at a decent speed. Most of the NOLs I travel on have potholes, pavement cuts, sewer grates, and other obstructions that I need to maneuver around. I find it far safer (more practicable) to veer to the right rather than to the left to avoid these obstructions, and that means I need some room on the right. Unless somebody can cite some legal precedents, I would argue this way.
CommuterRun
On a NOL, I never move right for a passing motorist, unless it's an emergency vehicle running code. I'm with you, I believe that to move to the right in this situation creates a more hazardous condition for both the cyclist and the motorist.
It looks like Florida has an exception to the as far right as practicable regulation that Colorado doesn't.
"When a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side."
This is the cyclists call, if the lane is wide enough to share, or not. Given that, on a NOL you can travel in the center of the lane all the time, if you wish, and be as far right as practicable.
Sir Lunch-a-lot
A little off topic, but its something that I've been wondering for a while: why exactly is it that the phrase "Go Back To New Jersey" is offensive to many Americans?
Roody
A little off topic, but its something that I've been wondering for a while: why exactly is it that the phrase "Go Back To New Jersey" is offensive to many Americans?
I think it's mainly offensive in New York City and Philadelphia. A lot of New Jerseyites visit and work in those cities, and they're seen to be rubes, hooligans and bad drivers.
to the rest of us, they're just "crazy east coasters," the same as people from NYC and Phila.
CommuterRun
Kind of like getting called a tourist around here. It would be pointless to call a tourist a tourist.:D
wagathon
I don't know how long the NOL was but in California, a CHP can give you a ticket if you hold up traffic, even if you legally are allowed to use a certain road as a cyclist because there are no alternative routes (if you're another car the rule is 7-cars behind you). I got a ticket for "obstructing a roadway" once in Northern Cal. years ago and I wasn't even in anybody's way, but the particular stretch of hwy was posted off-limits to cyclists and that's all he had in his book of rules to nail me.
CB HI
Dude, I don't know who put a tack in your saddle, but the FBA, along with the League of American Bicyclists, is the lead advocacy group for cyclists rights in this state. Their work, over the decades, are why cyclists here have all the rights to the road as do motor vehicles and don't have to put up with any BS laws relegating bicycles to second class status on the roads and highways. Can you say "Vehicular Cycling"? State law guarantees you can do that anywhere in the state, with the exception of limited access highways, because of the efforts of these two groups. They have attorneys that write this stuff specifically for distribution to law enforcement. They also put out DVDs and reams of other information. The LAB also has very good road cycling courses. Not only for Joe Average Citizen, but also for law enforcement personnel. I know an instructor that taught a class a while back, whose entire class was law enforcement.
Their efforts are why the very first paragraph of the bicycle regulations state:
316.2065 Bicycle regulations.--
(1) Every person propelling a vehicle by human power has all of the rights and all of the duties applicable to the driver of any other vehicle under this chapter, except as to special regulations in this chapter, and except as to provisions of this chapter which by their nature can have no application.
"Any other vehicle under this chapter,........" includes all vehicles governed by Chapter 316
"STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL".
In other words, because of the FBA, you and I have the same right to the road as a Kenworth haulin' logs.
Have a nice ride. I did, twice today. Three times last Friday.:)
Your post ignored the issue at hand. If you want to discuss the good and bad about LAB or FBA, then and now, that is an endless discussion for a new thread.
Are you now claiming that LAB supports the position that in a “no passing zone” cyclist be considered nothing more than road obstructions? That is not Florida law even if FBA might have some misguided lawyers.
It is even more disgusting that it is a cycle advocacy group trying to advance this position and to teach it to law enforcement. No passing zones are dangerous areas for all road users. Encouraging motorist to pass cyclist in no passing zones puts the cyclist, motorist and traffic coming around the blind bend or over the hill in significant danger for just a few seconds of time saving.
If you consider cyclist (legal vehicles under Florida law) in no passing zones to be road obstructions, then you must consider other legal vehicles under Florida law who are moving slower to also be road obstructions; such as elderly drivers, slow moving 18 wheelers, farm equipment, street sweepers, etc. Do you and FBA also advocate treating these legal road users as road obstructions to be passed in a “no passing zone”?