Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - wheels and rims for track/street

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Sin-A-Matic
05-26-06, 10:54 AM
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shishi
05-26-06, 10:57 AM
damn ****ty server...

I just wanted to know what combo of rims and tires are working for people who are logging time on the velo and street.

I am thinkin areos or areohead and mich carbons. What combo is working for you?

fixedpip
05-26-06, 11:42 AM
For street I'm using Velocity Deep Vs with Specialized Armadillos.

For velo, I'm using a CXP-33 (front) and an EAI arrow (rear) with Vittoria Rubino Pros (for training) and Vittoria Open Corsas (for racing).

For a single wheelset to rule them all, it really depends on how hard you ride on the street, how many potholes, what kind of velodrome etc.

But I'd suggest looking at Mavic CXP-33s over the Velo Areo heads, they tend to be stronger; weigh more though (470 g vs 405). Some will also push the Open-Pros (425 grams). All of these will build into good wheels, but depending on your weight the Aeroheads may not be good enough for street riding.

Tires are a big issue on a single wheelset. Need to find a light, grippy tire for the velo, which has a high thread count. For the street you need to not get flats or have your tires cut-up. So you're either rocking some Vittoria/Vredesteins (such as the Fortezza or Rubino Pro) that will be ok but not super puncture resistant and will get cut up, or get used to changing tires at the track.

You should focus on the best for the main environment. If its mainly street with a little track thrown, get the stronger rims and more puncture resistant tires, weight really won't matter on the track until you get super fit.

If its the track mainly, then sure look at the Aeroheads.

Anyway, thats just my opinion.

[Oh and get a fixed/fixed hub - for training its a total pain to get to the track and change gears. It just gets messy. Best plan is to do as little as possible to your bike before a training session. Makes it much easier to flip a wheel and then get on that sweet concrete (or wood if you're very lucky)]


shishi
05-26-06, 12:56 PM
For street I'm using Velocity Deep Vs with Specialized Armadillos.

For velo, I'm using a CXP-33 (front) and an EAI arrow (rear) with Vittoria Rubino Pros (for training) and Vittoria Open Corsas (for racing).

For a single wheelset to rule them all, it really depends on how hard you ride on the street, how many potholes, what kind of velodrome etc.

But I'd suggest looking at Mavic CXP-33s over the Velo Areo heads, they tend to be stronger; weigh more though (470 g vs 405). Some will also push the Open-Pros (425 grams). All of these will build into good wheels, but depending on your weight the Aeroheads may not be good enough for street riding.

Tires are a big issue on a single wheelset. Need to find a light, grippy tire for the velo, which has a high thread count. For the street you need to not get flats or have your tires cut-up. So you're either rocking some Vittoria/Vredesteins (such as the Fortezza or Rubino Pro) that will be ok but not super puncture resistant and will get cut up, or get used to changing tires at the track.

You should focus on the best for the main environment. If its mainly street with a little track thrown, get the stronger rims and more puncture resistant tires, weight really won't matter on the track until you get super fit.

If its the track mainly, then sure look at the Aeroheads.

Anyway, thats just my opinion.

[Oh and get a fixed/fixed hub - for training its a total pain to get to the track and change gears. It just gets messy. Best plan is to do as little as possible to your bike before a training session. Makes it much easier to flip a wheel and then get on that sweet concrete (or wood if you're very lucky)]

Thanks. I am hoping to get more time on the track then street. I am not super aggressive rider, but do ride the streets of NYC which are crap.

sers
05-26-06, 12:58 PM
anyone have any experience with the cane creek volos, the mavic ellipse or the bontrager select track?

popluhv
05-26-06, 01:14 PM
I just bought a new pair of wheels to ride street and velo. I chose DA7600s laced to Velocity Fusions, 3X/3X

popluhv
05-26-06, 01:17 PM
anyone have any experience with the cane creek volos, the mavic ellipse or the bontrager select track?
I've seen several pairs of Ellipses being ridden on the street. I haven't asked anyone about them though.

crushkilldstroy
05-26-06, 01:53 PM
ridden the bontragers. they're light as ****, they spin great, i've heard that they're surprisingly durable (not actually mine), and they flex like mad when you're out of the saddle. really weird feeling.

Learn_not2burn
05-26-06, 01:54 PM
I've never heard anything bad about the ellipses or volos, only good things. Both of them look sick and are definetely better track wheels than pure on the road wheels. If I were in your position and if I KNEW I would be on the track 95 percent of the time I would go with the ellipses or volos.

CCCCCCC
05-26-06, 01:54 PM
I've seen several pairs of Ellipses being ridden on the street. I haven't asked anyone about them though.

I saw some on FGG that i asked the guy about them, he said they were hard as nails, even went as far as saying that he rides down three set stairs with no problem.. sooo im guessing they are pretty tough.

Learn_not2burn
05-26-06, 01:55 PM
Where can you buy the bontragers?

isotopesope
05-26-06, 02:11 PM
i ride ellipses on the track and street using vredestein fortezza tri comp tires.

fortezza's are by far my favorite tires i've ridden. they can withstand super high pressure, have great traction and great longevity. they aren't prone to square off like so many conti's i've ridden. i've never ridden the michelin carbons, but hear complaints with how punture prone they are and how quickly they wear.

the ellipses are amazing wheels. they are super stiff and spin up quickly. the bladed spokes really seem to make them cut through the air better. some people complain they're too heavy, but the performance of them is well worth the extra weight. they're fixed/fixed, which is great... so you can have a track and street cog on either side. i ran 48:14/16, but this season am just running 50:15 for both.

mrRed
05-26-06, 02:16 PM
only wheels I have.
Phil wood high flange laced to open pros wrapped in continental 3000's. Fantastic lovely ride.

trons
05-26-06, 02:19 PM
anyone have any experience with the cane creek volos, the mavic ellipse or the bontrager select track?

ken cox has a very favorable review of the volos hidden somewhere on this forum

Tangsooyuk
05-26-06, 02:32 PM
I have yet to get out to a track so I can only speak for the performance on the street but I have a set of Ellipses with more than 1200 miles on them and they still feel new. I ride hard and I have hit some pretty ridiculous holes/craters and thought I, for sure, broke something but they are still true. Just from me browsing the internet there seem to be quite a few people that do ride them on the track though and love them (eventhough some people complain they are too heavy).

keevohn
05-26-06, 02:34 PM
I am thinkin areos or areohead and mich carbons. What combo is working for you?

I always feel compelled to say nice things about the Aerohead rims when this question comes up. While not on my fixed gear, I've had a pair of Aeroheads on my road bike for about six years and they've been bombproof. I think in that time I've only had the wheels trued twice, and I'm constantly hitting sh*t in the road. In a high speed crash that bent my front axle and tore the skin off the left side of my body, the rims were unaffected (I was able to ride them home).

My ideal fixed gear wheelset would be built on Velocity Aero rims. Oh, and I just picked up a pair of Michelin Carbons for my roadie, but I'll have to let you know in 10,000 miles how they're holding up ;)

crushkilldstroy
05-26-06, 02:38 PM
the rear hub on the volos makes me weak in the knees and wet in the pants.

Learn_not2burn
05-26-06, 02:46 PM
How hard would it to be to rebuild a wheel using volos or ellipse hubs once you roached the front wheel?
I'm debating buying some ellipses, and just want to make sure its not too hard to rebuild.

Landgolier
05-26-06, 02:48 PM
Bontrager selects I would consider to be track-only wheels, at least based on what I've seen/heard about the road version. They may be light, but they don't have the durability of the standard velocity and mavic stuff.

visitordesign
05-26-06, 02:49 PM
fortezza's are by far my favorite tires i've ridden. they can withstand super high pressure, have great traction and great longevity. they aren't prone to square off like so many conti's i've ridden. i've never ridden the michelin carbons, but hear complaints with how punture prone they are and how quickly they wear.

+1 for the fortezza tricomps

these tires are amazing. i ride them on my commute/alleycat bike and they happily take lots of abuse--plus, who's not down with orange on orange tires?

i wish i could say that i loved the schwalbe stelvios on my track bike as much. they're nice tires, but they wear oddly and a bit too quickly. that and they make this funny sucking sound after a little skidding once they're a bit worn.

shishi
05-26-06, 02:53 PM
+1 for the fortezza tricomps

these tires are amazing. i ride them on my commute/alleycat bike and they happily take lots of abuse--plus, who's not down with orange on orange tires?

i wish i could say that i loved the schwalbe stelvios on my track bike as much. they're nice tires, but they wear oddly and a bit too quickly. that and they make this funny sucking sound after a little skidding once they're a bit worn.

If I went w/ Orange/Orange then I would call it the pumpkin bike since the frame is orange.:eek:

visitordesign
05-26-06, 02:57 PM
If I went w/ Orange/Orange then I would call it the pumpkin bike since the frame is orange.:eek:

they can be seen dirty and hiding in the background in this pic:

http://www.visitordesign.com/pony.jpg

shishi
05-26-06, 03:03 PM
Yeah, I am not sure if that would be too much Orange :D

Ceya
05-26-06, 03:18 PM
Mavic anodized rims (tubies of course) and Campy,Shimano,Suntour and Suzue hubs.

S/F,
CEYA!

sers
05-26-06, 04:26 PM
Mavic anodized rims (tubies of course) and Campy,Shimano,Suntour and Suzue hubs.

S/F,
CEYA!

see that's what i was wondering about - not so much volos vs ellipse vs select track, but how they would compare to campy, dura ace, or phil hubs laced to mavics or dt's...

trons
05-26-06, 04:54 PM
i just picked up some fortezza tricomps that are blue on blue. man do they look nice.

12XU
05-26-06, 06:15 PM
All of you folks using one wheelset on the track and street are going to be pretty surprised once you flat on the banking with clinchers...

Ceya
05-26-06, 08:07 PM
All of you folks using one wheelset on the track and street are going to be pretty surprised once you flat on the banking with clinchers...


No surprise for tubies..

S/F,
CEYA!

visitordesign
05-26-06, 08:09 PM
No surprise for tubies..

S/F,
CEYA!

ceya, were those tires on your level at the race this weekend clinchers or tubies?

Ceya
05-26-06, 08:23 PM
Those were clinchers. I am putting the tubies back on this week, I had to sew up spares.

They were Rubino and Zaffrino from Vittoria. How could you guys ride them?

S/F,
CEYA!

sers
05-26-06, 08:31 PM
ceya - what do you think about vittoria's open corsa?

then again if i had tubular rims on the street, i'd rock a set of veloflex roubaix

Jimbobunyons
05-26-06, 08:35 PM
ive been riding mavic ma3 rims laced to front shimano and rear surly... has been awesome-- no complaints...

ma3s are damn tough

new wheelset i just bought: phils (high flange, 32, fixed/fixed) laced to white unmachined deepvs

havent been able to ride them yet... and im dying.

Ceya
05-26-06, 08:41 PM
I haven't used foldable clincher since they first came out in the early 90s . I like them since they were like tubies. I will buy a set before my surgery and mess on them.

I will try and do a write up on them.

S/F,
CEYA!

your prediction..PAIN!

sers
05-26-06, 09:00 PM
i'm facinated with veloflex's whole operation. 5 people who do everything from spin and weave the cotton threading, mold to install the threads, all entirely by hand an all on vittoria's old tooling. i'll be buying one of their pave tires to us as my front as soon as i have the fundage.

ceya - i'm amazed/impessed/humbled that you run tubulars on the street to mess. i've read about nyc messengers running dual armadillos with tuffie strips. when i was in nyc for monster track, i got 3 rear flats using decent tires, and i had to replace my tires after i got back. if there's anyone who i'd like to meet on this board it's you. you're like a god damn fixie jedi.

12XU
05-26-06, 09:07 PM
Bontrager Race Lite Hard Cases---no ******** Flats Ever Again!

All of you mail order geeks will weep at the 30 dollar price tag, but it's a lot better than relying on ishtty Vittorias and Contis..

sers
05-26-06, 09:25 PM
i read that the 06 armadillo all condition roll nicer - so i ordered one.

if i wanted slow rolling bulletproof tires i'd get one of those damn schwalbe monstrosoties

Ceya
05-26-06, 09:25 PM
here go again, i was on the dark side before, remember?

THANKS but I am a regular guy.

S/F,
Ceya!

aka LORD CEYA!

REMEMBER THOSE WHO GAVE ALL THIS WEEKEND..THANK A MILITARY VET!

visitordesign
05-27-06, 08:28 AM
I haven't used foldable clincher since they first came out in the early 90s . I like them since they were like tubies. I will buy a set before my surgery and mess on them.

I will try and do a write up on them.

S/F,
CEYA!

your prediction..PAIN!

look at the fortezza tricomps. they're incredible tires. i ride them at around 160 psi and they love me for it.

teiaperigosa
05-27-06, 08:35 AM
they can be seen dirty and hiding in the background in this pic:

http://www.visitordesign.com/pony.jpg

except for that stem...that purple bike is real nice

Ceya
05-27-06, 10:11 AM
look at the fortezza tricomps. they're incredible tires. i ride them at around 160 psi and they love me for it.


I am not a clincher fan but I will LOOK at them though. I will try the OPEN CX.

S/F,
CEYA!

onetwentyeight
05-27-06, 10:21 AM
i have a thing for low profile, light, stiff racing rims. Araya 1w's are amazing, have them laced to suntour's. only problem I've had is after I hit a pothole REALLY hard (hard enough to get a pinch flat), a few spokes loosened. Tightened them up again and had no problems ever since.

Other bike I have some shiimano to mavic open cd 4. GREAT black boxy rims. Never had any problems.

I also have a sanshin front wheel to an araya super hard anodized. Light, strong and smooth.

Next wheel set will be some campy records to some vintage mavic rims. Got the hubs, need the rims tho. *sighhh*

I always hear phil wood/deep v is the ultimate in toughnes, but I've never had a problem with any of my lighter, "more fragile" components.

I run ultra gatorskins on both my bikes, and like them a lot. I don't ride track.

shishi
05-28-06, 06:30 AM
Thanks for all the responses...I'll let you all know what I go with.

ImOnCrank
05-28-06, 06:49 AM
I've heard great things about Ellipses and have seen a bunch on the track and a few on the street. One ridden by a beast of a man who had good reviews. However if you're gonna go the more traditional route, I'd go fusions, CXP33s, or open pros over the aeroheads and throw in another vote for the fortezzas. As for hubs if you can drop the cash go phils. They work, everywhere, all the time.

shishi
06-05-06, 10:39 AM
Update: I went with aeroheads (black), promax hubs, and waiting on orange/orange Fortezza tricomps.

Jose R
06-05-06, 11:08 AM
i'm facinated with veloflex's whole operation. 5 people who do everything from spin and weave the cotton threading, mold to install the threads, all entirely by hand an all on vittoria's old tooling. i'll be buying one of their pave tires to us as my front as soon as i have the fundage.


I ride Veloflex tires mostly. Love the feel. If you want 90% of the feel of tubulars, go with Veloflex Paves.

My response to the OP (although shishi has already made up his mind) is:

For street: clinchers, Mavic OP, 32 3x, cheap hubs, continental 4-season tires (rain)/Veloflex Paves (dry)

For track: tubulars, Mavic GEL 280 (front), FiR Isidis (rear), 28 3x, D/A 7600 hubs, Gommitalia Platinum (which are relabeled Veloflex Carbon) I can be very comfortable riding this wheelset on the streets. Very smooth.

soze
06-06-06, 08:13 AM
I ride IRO/Formula hubs laced to Salsa Delgado 'cross rims on the street with a pair of Michelin Carbons (ooh, yellow stripes) because Albany doesn't believe in pavement maintenance. They're tough wheels for not an insane amount of money.

I wouldn't dare bring them anywhere near a track, though. Get two wheelsets.

nightfly
06-06-06, 08:27 AM
Velocity Aeros/Suzue Pro Max/Vrederstein Volante SE's- great street set up, don't know about track. Can't believe how nice $15 tires are. The grey starts looking ****ty pretty quickly but they ride great. Better than anything else I've had.

shishi
06-06-06, 08:51 AM
I ride IRO/Formula hubs laced to Salsa Delgado 'cross rims on the street with a pair of Michelin Carbons (ooh, yellow stripes) because Albany doesn't believe in pavement maintenance. They're tough wheels for not an insane amount of money.

I wouldn't dare bring them anywhere near a track, though. Get two wheelsets.

Yeah, that will be the next major purpose. Just had to get up and running first.

simple312
06-06-06, 10:24 AM
anyone used velocity's aero rim, not the highly recomended areohead, thier original aero. did a bunch of searching, reviews of rims seems to be pretty slim unless they are stock wheel sets.

i am converting having a wheel built to convert my nishiki. I have deepvs on my bare knuckle was looking for a rim that was a bit more box profile or similar to the existing rims, but also don't want to sacrifice performance for ascetics. I am going to guess that they will perform similarly but i am also going to look at the aeroheads since they are lighter.

i am also guessing that for rims it is generally true that
stiffer = holds shape truer longer with harsher ride
less stiff = smoother ride more frequent truing.

i should also note i'm over 200lbs so that is probably a consideration.
this is for street riding.

shishi
06-06-06, 10:31 AM
anyone used velocity's aero rim, not the highly recomended areohead, thier original aero. did a bunch of searching, reviews of rims seems to be pretty slim unless they are stock wheel sets.

i am converting having a wheel built to convert my nishiki. I have deepvs on my bare knuckle was looking for a rim that was a bit more box profile or similar to the existing rims, but also don't want to sacrifice performance for ascetics. I am going to guess that they will perform similarly but i am also going to look at the aeroheads since they are lighter.

i am also guessing that for rims it is generally true that
stiffer = holds shape truer longer with harsher ride
less stiff = smoother ride more frequent truing.

i should also note i'm over 200lbs so that is probably a consideration.
this is for street riding.

I know Evanyc has areo's, shoot him a pm. I actually looked at both side by side. The aero's looked nice, I just decided to go w/ these for the little extra support for the NYC streets.