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panabos
05-27-06, 11:57 PM
KHS Cappuccino – folding bike review

Hi everyone,
After test riding pretty much all of the folding bikes in my city I decided to buy a KHS Cappuccino. At the recommendation of one of the other forum members, here is a review of my two week old bike.

First, I want to say, I’m a bike newb. My only other experiences with bikes were; owning a children’s bike when I was little, owning a generic mountain bike in my teens and owning a cheap folding bike for a week, which I returned due to the many problems I had with it and the inexperienced people running the shop. After that last ordeal I decided “you really do get what you pay for” and I made the decision to invest more money in a better quality bike from a more reputable bike shop.

Enter the KHS Cappuccino………….

The specs:
The bike has a full chromoly frame with rear suspension and 18” tires. Included with the bike were front and rear fenders, pannier rack, kickstand, reflectors, a bell, and an underframe stand (a u-shaped piece of metal that the bike rests on when folded). Also, the rear rack is designed so the bike can stand up on its end, to minimize the space it takes up without having to fold it. It has a 7-speed drivetrain with Sram MRX-7 shifters. More info here: http://www.khsbicycles.com/10_cappuccino.htm . Contrary to what this website says, the handlebars are not adjustable, but they were the perfect height for me.
The colour is tricky to describe. It’s a brushed metal that looks like metallic grey with a drop of olive green and gold thrown in. Very cool whatever it is. The fenders are also a neat colour, grey with almost a lavender tone. The cost of the bike was $700 CND.

The good:
First off, I LOOOOOVE this bike. It isn’t perfect by any means, but it’s by far the best bike I’ve ever ridden. It’s fun, it’s fast, it’s light (I carry it up three flights of stairs to my classes), it’s responsive, and it looks so cute. There’s hardly a day that goes by that I don’t get a comment about the bike. The remarks are usually something like, “cool bike”, “sweet ride”, “nice bike”, “it looks perfect for you”, “what’s the deal with that bike?”, “is that one of those electric thingys?”, etc. This is the first bike that I really feel in control of, rather than it controlling me. It also came with a lot of features that would have been extras on other bikes (the fenders, rear rack, bell, etc). Other great qualities about the bike are common to all folders. I love how little space it takes up in my apartment and I love that that when folded, it looks so neat that it’s almost like having an industrial art piece displayed in my home.

The bad:
There are some things I think the company could really improve upon. The first is the locking mechanism for the frame. There’s no safety. What's up with that? Right now the latch feels good and stiff when it’s locked but if something should lift that latch out of place I’d be in baaaaad doodoo. I really think a safety should be a standard feature, especially considering there’s one for the handlebar latch. Also, the folding latches on the handlebars and the frame both fit into a piece of plastic. I could see these one day getting busted, especially on the frame where there’s more force being applied to the latch. When folded, the bike doesn’t balance well unless the front wheel is angled so that you’re making a slight V with the wheels. I’m not sure why this is the case since none of the other folding bikes I tested had this problem. The pedals don’t fold but they’re small and compact enough that I haven’t felt the need to switch them out. Also, the suspension feature could pretty much not be there for all that I notice it. I think there’s a way to soften it up, I’ll have to look into that. Last but not least, I dislike the gear shifting mechanism. I have to slide my hand over from the handle to grip the gear every time I want to shift. I wish I had one of those thumb shifters. Also, sometimes the gear feels really sticky and it takes a lot of arm power to shift and other times it’s easy. Not sure what’s causing that but struggling with my gears is not very fun.

Changes:
Right away, I wanted the seat changed. The original saddle was small and uncomfortable. The people at the LBS I bought the bike from said it was probably made for a guy but I don’t think many of you men would find it very comfy. The owner of the shop was really nice and swapped it out for a softer Velo saddle for free. After riding the bike for a couple of weeks I found I was mainly using gears 1, 2, & 3. Guess I have weak legs. I’m not a fast rider and I almost never want to go down a hill faster than the coasting speed of the bike so I had my LBS switch the 52 tooth chain ring to a Blackspire 42 tooth chain ring. I also ordered a spare tire since they don't regularly stock 18” tires in the store. The mechanic suggested I have the spare put on since it is of better quality then the original. Now I have a Schwalbe Marathon puncture resistant tire on the back. Whoo hoo! I also added front and rear flashing lights and some reflective decals.

Overall:
I’m very happy with this purchase. I’ve ridden it almost every day since I bought it. I use it mostly for commuting (biking only, no bus or train), running errands, and the occasional weekend trail. I often look for excuses just to ride the bike because it feels so fun. I would highly recommend this bike for small riders like myself, I’m 5’2”, 100 Lbs., but I could see how a larger person might find this bike too small, especially with the fixed handlebar height. I honestly never expected to love this bike or biking as much as I do. It has become my new obsession. I hope this review is helpful to people. Let me know if you have any questions.

Here are pictures of my bike with all the modifications.

http://www3.telus.net/public/dgecko/bike1.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/public/dgecko/bike2.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/public/dgecko/bike3.jpg

maunakea
05-28-06, 12:53 AM
panabos, nice review. for the frame latch safety, call the largest electrical supply houses in your city (I'm guessing, Calgary) until you find "removable cable ties" (aka "releaseable cable ties") large enough to encircle your main tube. If only smaller cable ties are available, they can be concatenated. You can then cinch the cable tie around the latch and main tube as a safety, then release (and save) the cable tie to fold. Cable ties are much stronger than Velcro.

Standard cable ties (non-removable) must be snipped in two to remove them. You don't want those.

IMO, you're correct, the KHS folders are better suited to shorter riders. [By shorter, without offense intended, IMO frame fit, like coach class airline seats, is divided into rider heights of <=5'10" and > 5'10". RJ seats seem to be divided into pax heights of <=5'6" and > 5'6"]

DaFriMon
05-28-06, 07:59 AM
Interesting report, thanks. I particularly like the picture of the bike standing on its rear rack. I've only seen one other review of a KHS folder, a positive report on the now discontinued Westwood model on a British web page. It's good that you took the time to share your experience.

Since the bike folds small enough to suit you, the lack of folding pedals isn't a big deal. Some folding pedals aren't the best quality, anyway; I've seen a lot of complaints about the ones Dahon uses. I replaced mine before they developed problems.

farrellcollie
05-28-06, 10:18 AM
panabos, nice review. IMO, you're correct, the KHS folders are better suited to shorter riders.


It is a good review. Although I don't know if I agree with the shorter rider comments for all khs folders - My 5'10 friend rides the 2005 F20 (twenty inch wheels) with no difficulty. It is a good bike so far.

panabos
05-28-06, 10:42 AM
It is a good review. Although I don't know if I agree with the shorter rider comments for all khs folders - My 5'10 friend rides the 2005 F20 (twenty inch wheels) with no difficulty. It is a good bike so far.

I tested the F20 and it felt like a bigger bike to me, not as compact as the Cappuccino. I'm not sure if it was just because of the difference in wheel size or if the frame of the F20 is also bigger.

Wavshrdr
05-28-06, 10:14 PM
Congrats on the new bike. I rode one last year and it seemed like a decent folder. I too didn't care to much for the shifting. Also the rear suspension seemed to work fairly well but I was concerned about its design. It relies on the flexing of the rear "swingarm" to provide the suspension travel. I thought that this was a perfect recipe to develop fatigue cracks in due time. It most likely will I just can't guess how long it will be. Keep a close eye on the area where the rear swingarm meets the bottom bracket by the crank. That entire part of the frame acts like a big spring.

I'd ride it for a year and then maybe look for something that you might like better once you have time to see what you really need or want. Perhaps this bike is it. If so keep an eye on that one section. Keep in mind too that there aren't a huge variety of tire choices but at least their are some decent Schwalbe available in that size. They aren't fast but they are durable. By that I mean that in YOUR size the Schwalbes are fast and efficient compared to what they make in other sizes.

Platy
05-28-06, 11:21 PM
I've owned a KHS Cappuccino for a year now. I think the original poster's review is very accurate. My legs are a couple inches shorter than average and my back is a couple inches longer than average. I've found the Cappuccino to be a very comfortable fit.

I'm a heavy rider, 260 pounds. The Cappuccino carries both me and a 25-lb backpack with no problems, except that I have to pay close attention to maintaining the rear tire pressure at 50-55 psi. (Each stroke of my floor pump is about 5 psi for 18 inch tires.) 55 psi is higher than recommended, so I'm planning to replace the original light duty rim tape with Velox.

Small potholes in asphalt that you hardly notice on big bikes are deadly for 18 inch tires. The Cappuccino can handle most dry dirt paths and some gravel roads, providing the rocks are not too big. This is handy for the typical kinds of shortcuts you find in urban environments.

Another thing I wasn't sure of at first is that the Cappuccino fits well in the kind of bike rack used on buses in my city. The bus rack's adjustable retaining arm is intended to clamp a full size bike's front wheel in place. For the Cappuccino I clamp it over the frame member that goes between the stem and the seat tube.

Half the comments I get indicate that some people mistake it for a BMX bike ("Can you do tricks on that?") Other people seem to think it's some kind of electric scooter. In any case it does attract comments and conversation.

I really like the way the Cappuccino combines a compact size bike with a comfortable fit for me. I have a full size bike too, but it seems cumbersome in comparison.

panabos
05-29-06, 01:09 AM
panabos, nice review. for the frame latch safety, call the largest electrical supply houses in your city (I'm guessing, Calgary) until you find "removable cable ties" (aka "releaseable cable ties") large enough to encircle your main tube. If only smaller cable ties are available, they can be concatenated. You can then cinch the cable tie around the latch and main tube as a safety, then release (and save) the cable tie to fold. Cable ties are much stronger than Velcro.

Standard cable ties (non-removable) must be snipped in two to remove them. You don't want those.

maunakea, thanks for the advice. That's a great idea for a safety and I'll definitley look into it.

Wavshrdr, thanks for the heads up. I'll keep an extra eye on that area of the bike. Hopefully it will last more than a year (knocking on wood).

panabos
05-30-06, 07:28 PM
Hi Platy,
I have a question for you. Have you ever experienced problems shifting, specifically-having your shifter lock up and not being able to shift down? This has happened a few times now. The LBS has made adjustments each time and it works fine for a while and then it happens again. I also notice the chain making a clanking noise when this happens, like it's not sitting on the gear properly. The problem occurs when I go from gear 1 to gear 2 and from 3 to 4. The problem also likes to do a dissappearing/reappearing act. It happened once yesterday and then not at all today. In order to fix it I have to keep shifting up until I'm at 7 and then crank it really hard to get it back down.

I'm considering switching out the shifter for a Shimano SL-TX50 Tourney 7 speed shifter. Does anyone have any experience with this shifter?

On a side note, I went over the handlebar of my bike yesterday. :eek: It was the first fall I've had with it. I was coasting down a hill when the store I was looking for appeared on my right sooner than I expected. I took my right hand off the handlebar to signal a turn and squeezed the brake quickly with my left hand. It felt like the bike just launched me in the air. I somehow managed to land on my feet and I kept running and hopping over the bike as it rolled underneath me and then behind me. I realize I was very lucky. My pride was the only think that got hurt. There were no cars behind me at the time and my bike only suffered some minor scratches.

wpflem
05-30-06, 07:54 PM
We sold our last Cappuccino a few months ago. I was under the impression that it was no longer being imported. The US KHS website no longer has it listed:

http://www.khsbicycles.com/10_folding_06.htm , have the mocha and latte.

We have only rare inquires for KHS bikes so we are currently not stocking them.

Platy
05-30-06, 08:42 PM
Hi Platy,
I have a question for you. Have you ever experienced problems shifting, specifically-having your shifter lock up and not being able to shift down?
I haven't experienced that problem.

DaFriMon
05-30-06, 09:00 PM
Hi Platy,
I have a question for you. Have you ever experienced problems shifting, specifically-having your shifter lock up and not being able to shift down? This has happened a few times now. The LBS has made adjustments each time and it works fine for a while and then it happens again. . . .The problem also likes to do a dissappearing/reappearing act. It happened once yesterday and then not at all today. In order to fix it I have to keep shifting up until I'm at 7 and then crank it really hard to get it back down.

I'm considering switching out the shifter for a Shimano SL-TX50 Tourney 7 speed shifter. Does anyone have any experience with this shifter? . . .

Platy may answer too, but I don't know if this is specifically a KHS type problem. Could your shifter cable be getting snagged somehow? Perhaps after folding and unfolding the housing may end up kinked or caught somewhere, then later works itself free? Not the only possibility, but something to look for. Also make sure the housing ends are seated properly in the shifter and on the derailleur.

Tourney components are Shimano's bottom of the line component group. They should work perfectly well, but I don't know that the shifter would necessarily work any better than the one you've got. According to the link you gave, you've got an SRAM MRX shifter, which I believe is supposed to be Shimano compatible. I haven't actually used either of those two shifters myself, though.