Living Car Free - How does this impact you about riding your bike for transportation?

I don't know guys, I"m still a little wary.

http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/5/A3EF1B27-DEFE-4266-81FB-EE5B1262C0BD.htm

This isn't a joke, this is reality and a possibility.

In all fairness, you have to show the videos of people suffering or dying from:

Heart attack
Stroke
High Blood Pressure
Kidney failure
Diabetes
Complications from obesity surgery (going septic, gastric juices eroding away one's guts, etc)

These people number in the millions upon millions.

I'm riding my bike, thanks.

Cripes, man.

Not for the squeamish. Just more proof that real life is far more gruesome than Hollywood can portray it.

It's amazing how gory you can get if you have decades of film and videos from the world over to choose from. I recognized one shot from the 1955 race at LeMans. That was over half a century ago.

So how does that affect me in relation to using the bike for transportation? Not at all. I've been pedaling long enough to know what its like out there.

that was the most grusome thing that Ive seen all day. If those guys were not in cars, it would be like an alleycat video. Much safer.

If you go to auto races you die?;) Want real life? go drive on the freakin' idiotstates. I drive over 50k miles a year and have yet to be in a wreck. I also cycle around 4k miles a year and have yet to be hit. There is a little know technique known as defensive driving...works for bicycles too.;)

Aaron:)

Well a good part of the videos show racing/rally accidents, which don't really relate to transportational cycling. In certain accidents, you also see pedestrians acting in unsafe ways...

Two words: Risk management.

In all fairness, you have to show the videos of people suffering or dying from:

Heart attack
Stroke
High Blood Pressure
Kidney failure
Diabetes
Complications from obesity surgery (going septic, gastric juices eroding away one's guts, etc)

These people number in the millions upon millions.

I'm riding my bike, thanks.

All of what you listed are failures of the body, we all have a body therefore we are all suceptible, we CAN eliminate the possibility of being hit by a car.

I mean, we all know how careless drivers are, they hit eachother ALL THE TIME. What is it? Like an accident every 7 seconds, and as a biker, I ALWAYS come out on the losing end. I don't want to be murder, or even worse, paralyzed from the neck down, from some careless fool scarfing down his McBurger in his 4,000 pound machine.

I don't think you get it... when you ride a bike frequently, you very greatly lower your risk of the maladies in my list:

Heart attack
Stroke
High Blood Pressure
Kidney failure
Diabetes
Complications from obesity surgery (going septic, gastric juices eroding away one's guts, etc)

Oh, I forgot:

Certain cancers (like breast and prostate)
Erectile dysfunction caused by cardiovascular disease
Depression (increased suicide risk) because you're a fatty, you are more likely to be discriminated against at work, and you can't get it up, you wife leaves you because you aren't attractive anymore (I know of a case like this, I kid you not)

So, which do you prefer... bundling yourself up in a cage, and getting fat and unhealthy, or getting some bike miles in? Don't get me wrong... I do own two cars, and I drive them as little as possible. My wife does most of the driving around here.

When you talk about risk, you have to talk about total risk exposure, not just look into one little box and ignore the other areas of your life.

I will accept the certain irreducible risk associated with cycling, do my best to manage the rest of them, and keep riding.










All of what you listed are failures of the body, we all have a body therefore we are all suceptible, we CAN eliminate the possibility of being hit by a car.

I mean, we all know how careless drivers are, they hit eachother ALL THE TIME. What is it? Like an accident every 7 seconds, and as a biker, I ALWAYS come out on the losing end. I don't want to be murder, or even worse, paralyzed from the neck down, from some careless fool scarfing down his McBurger in his 4,000 pound machine.

I don't think you get it... when you ride a bike frequently, you very greatly lower your risk of the maladies in my list:

Heart attack
Stroke
High Blood Pressure
Kidney failure
Diabetes
Complications from obesity surgery (going septic, gastric juices eroding away one's guts, etc)

Oh, I forgot:

Certain cancers (like breast and prostate)
Erectile dysfunction caused by cardiovascular disease
Depression (increased suicide risk) because you're a fatty, you are more likely to be discriminated against at work, and you can't get it up, you wife leaves you because you aren't attractive anymore (I know of a case like this, I kid you not)

So, which do you prefer... bundling yourself up in a cage, and getting fat and unhealthy, or getting some bike miles in? Don't get me wrong... I do own two cars, and I drive them as little as possible. My wife does most of the driving around here.

When you talk about risk, you have to talk about total risk exposure, not just look into one little box and ignore the other areas of your life.

I will accept the certain irreducible risk associated with cycling, do my best to manage the rest of them, and keep riding.

Nah, I don't think YOU get it.

Biking isn't the only form of exercise, in fact, it's one of the worst. Bad back, hard on knees, only works out legs. There is no core stabalization or lateral movement, let alone any upper body.

Also, riding for long periods can have adverse effects on your lower region. I've read studies where something like 50% of cyclists had abnormalities in their scrotums.

I LOVE to ride, but lets no kid ourselves, like some damn fanatics, oh thats right, we're on a FANATIC website, know thyself.

PS. That cage you chastize is going to be what SAVES them and KILLS you in the even of any accident.

How does this impact you about riding your bike for transportation?
It doesn't.

I don't know what the point was in making that video (or posting it, for that matter), but I agree, the majority of it involved decades worth of various genres of racing. In racing machines are expected to come apart, people are expected to make mistakes and people are expected to get hurt and die. Race fans will deny it all day long, but it's simply the nature of the sport when people and machines are pushed to the limit.

I don't ride on racetracks.

I don't ride on racetracks.

You also don't watch videos that are included in threads on bikeforums.net
There were a significant amount of accidents on the road.


It's funny how some are getting defensive and then offensive, think that says something?


I've been car-free for a year now, and one of the main factors that makes me want to use public transportation is the fact that I am putting myself at an EXTREME risk riding my bike on the side of the road.


I was just interested in hearing everyone elses view on the subject, instead of BLATANT denials of the risks, almost like drug-addicts..."addicted"...eh?

Nah, I don't think YOU get it.

Biking isn't the only form of exercise, in fact, it's one of the worst. Bad back, hard on knees, only works out legs. There is no core stabalization or lateral movement, let alone any upper body.

Also, riding for long periods can have adverse effects on your lower region. I've read studies where something like 50% of cyclists had abnormalities in their scrotums.

I LOVE to ride, but lets no kid ourselves, like some damn fanatics, oh thats right, we're on a FANATIC website, know thyself.

PS. That cage you chastize is going to be what SAVES them and KILLS you in the even of any accident.

Three words for you FIT, FIT, FIT... If your bicycle is properly fitted then you should not have any of the aformentioned problems. Running has been proven to be much harder on the knees then bicycling. The fact is millions upon millions of Americans die each year, simply because of problems they got from being lazy and out of shape. Not to mention the fact that we are killing our own planet, and giving terrorists our money to come bomb us, just because we can't live without our 4,000 pound suburban assualt vehicle, just to get a jug of milk. Cars have their place, but my bike has definitley earned its place.

You also don't watch videos that are included in threads on bikeforums.net
There were a significant amount of accidents on the road.


It's funny how some are getting defensive and then offensive, think that says something?


I've been car-free for a year now, and one of the main factors that makes me want to use public transportation is the fact that I am putting myself at an EXTREME risk riding my bike on the side of the road.


I was just interested in hearing everyone elses view on the subject, instead of BLATANT denials of the risks, almost like drug-addicts..."addicted"...eh?


Well their is a certain risk to everything you do in life. I thought cars were safer, but then I got in one, and I realize that although I don't always get respect on the bike, the same motorists don't give me respect in a car, they still cut you off and all. Its just that people are quick to defend the cage, so you always have to let them know that it can be done.

[QUOTE=SWYZ721]You also don't watch videos that are included in threads on bikeforums.net There were a significant amount of accidents on the road. It's funny how some are getting defensive and then offensive, think that says something? I've been car-free for a year now, and one of the main factors that makes me want to use public transportation is the fact that I am putting myself at an EXTREME risk riding my bike on the side of the road.

-- Odd. I have been using my bikes as transportation since the early 1960s, yet despite the terrible dangers I have never had an accident involving a car. I wonder what I am doing wrong ?


I was just interested in hearing everyone elses view on the subject, instead of BLATANT denials of the risks, almost like drug-addicts..."addicted"...eh?

-- That's too bad. I will continue to bumble along like a drug addled junkie and ride my bike, just like I have for the past 40+ years. As a matter of fact I just got back from a grocery run to Trader Joe's and despite the fearful risk, it was a pleasant ride. :p

Running has been proven to be much harder on the knees then bicycling.

You are very right, I remember reading something like 5-7X the force of your weight being pounded. BUT let me posit this interesting info, they were doing studies of bone density, studied overweight individuals as well as runners. What ended up happening was the runners had THINNER and LESS DENSE spinal cords than people who were overweight and never exercise. The tested bikers, even worse. What ended up happening was the fact that bone growth (like the muscle, like the brain) depends on STRESS, athletes had put NO stress on their spinal cords, so they naturally deteriorated. Weight lifters, however, had great density.

What I'm saying is just riding your bike for EXERCISE is a HORRIBLE idea, you must stress your WHOLE body, this has nothing to do with my original topic, but cycling isn't nearly as beneficial to your skeletal and muscular AND nervous system as you think, actually, not even close.


The fact is millions upon millions of Americans die each year, simply because of problems they got from being lazy and out of shape.

Right, and cycling is the only remedy?


Not to mention the fact that we are killing our own planet, and giving terrorists our money to come bomb us, just because we can't live without our 4,000 pound suburban assualt vehicle, just to get a jug of milk.

Definately man, definately, I just don't like the idea of placing my life and yours in the hands of these same ignorant people by riding along side them? I'm not claiming to know all the answers I just wanted your opinions.

-- Odd. I have been using my bikes as transportation since the early 1960s, yet despite the terrible dangers I have never had an accident involving a car. I wonder what I am doing wrong ?

So you're taking your SINGLE, SUBJECTIVE, PERSONAL experience and propagating it as fact and an absolute for all? Many people smoke ciggarettes (an unbelievable poison) their whole life and don't die of something unrelated. You do seem like someone who would ride a bike since the 60s, whether you liked it or not.





-- That's too bad. I will continue to bumble along like a drug addled junkie and ride my bike, just like I have for the past 40+ years. As a matter of fact I just got back from a grocery run to Trader Joe's and despite the fearful risk, it was a pleasant ride. :p

No, the "addicted" phrase wasn't meant to those that ride all the time, for the car-free, that is a necessity to ride every day. "addicted" was referring to those who would blindly defend the obvious risks and only see the benefits.

What I'm saying is just riding your bike for EXERCISE is a HORRIBLE idea, you must stress your WHOLE body, this has nothing to do with my original topic, but cycling isn't nearly as beneficial to your skeletal and muscular AND nervous system as you think, actually, not even close.


depends on the type of riding you do, and what other exercise you get, fact is most rec riders ive conversed with here on the forums dont even ride enough to get in good bike shape much less anything else, cycling is a brutally unforgiving thing to do, there is no free lunch at all, takes lots and lots of miles to get into shape biking

as for your original post, duh, yes cars can be quite dangerous, what else is new? I spend 15k a year riding around and near cars, I dont need reminded that it has its hazards

I'm not claiming to know all the answers I just wanted your opinions.

Then don't get so defensive when people post opinions that happen to differ from yours.

In answer to the original question, I haven't even bothered to watch the video, and I'm not going to. The replies to this thread told me all I needed to know about it. Anyone can paint any activity or situation as dangerous if they trawl through decades of old footage looking for the most dramatic things they can find.

Personally, I'll judge the safety of what I do on the fact that in over 150,000km of riding, I've yet to break so much as a fingernail.

Then don't get so defensive when people post opinions that happen to differ from yours.

Hah, I just asked a question and people got angry, so imagine what's gonna happen when I start QUESTIONING their beliefs.

I'm in no way defensive, I just like to question people, because, I don't know about you, but I won't learn anything if I go around agreeing with everyone.



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In answer to the original question, I haven't even bothered to watch the video, and I'm not going to. The replies to this thread told me all I needed to know about it.

Wow, you would let others decide for you? I hope you're not an American, because this country is built on voicing your own opinion. I hope you're not the kind that walks into the voting booth and hits the ALL DEM. or ALL REP. lever.



Anyone can paint any activity or situation as dangerous if they trawl through decades of old footage looking for the most dramatic things they can find.

Right, but when I play soccer, or hockey or basketball, etc. I don't have to run the risk of being within 12-24 inches of 45+MPH 4,000+ machines, that can change direction with the strength of one finger.




Personally, I'll judge the safety of what I do on the fact that in over 150,000km of riding, I've yet to break so much as a fingernail.

I'm not saying you can't, I just want to hear some arguments. The jist of some has been "That's the risk I have to take" while others are in flat out denial and pose arguments that say "well ain't nothin happened yet" (kinda like you;) ) which is horrible logic.

Right, but when I play soccer, or hockey or basketball, etc. I don't have to run the risk of being within 12-24 inches of 45+MPH 4,000+ machines, that can change direction with the strength of one finger.

Drivers subject themselves to similar risks. See http://tinyurl.com/qcd3w for perspective. The video impacts my decision not to drive more than it impacts my decision to bike. I won't abet a reign of terror.

Hah, I just asked a question and people got angry, so imagine what's gonna happen when I start QUESTIONING their beliefs.

I'm in no way defensive, I just like to question people, because, I don't know about you, but I won't learn anything if I go around agreeing with everyone.


You won't learn anything by arguing for the sake of arguing either.




Wow, you would let others decide for you? I hope you're not an American, because this country is built on voicing your own opinion. I hope you're not the kind that walks into the voting booth and hits the ALL DEM. or ALL REP. lever.

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I'm not saying you can't, I just want to hear some arguments. The jist of some has been "That's the risk I have to take" while others are in flat out denial and pose arguments that say "well ain't nothin happened yet" (kinda like you;) ) which is horrible logic.

It's a little thing called experience my friend. I've been around this forum (and others) long enough and watched enough people try to draw sweeping conclusions from small, individual pieces of sensationalised videos to recognise it right away -- even before I'd clicked on the thread at all. I've also done enough riding to realise that these selectively edited pieces are in now way representative of what happens in the real world.

I realised some time ago that every human activity carries risk. I also realised some time ago that attempting to eliminate all risk from our lives is impossible. Riding on a bus is not without it's risks either, and I'm not convinced it carries any less risk than riding my bicycle in traffic. For one thing, I can change direction and avoid the crash a lot easier on my bike than I could sitting on a bus. Sure, we can try to minimise our exposure to risk, but this won't be achieved by looking at a few seconds of sensationalised footage and trying to make a sweeping generalisation from it.

Now think about this for a minute... I have over 150,000km of riding experience in two countries at literally all hours of the day and night, in just about any traffic situation or weather conditions you can possibly think of. By posting this thread and posing the question you did, you're expecting me to change a view of this risks associated with riding formed over a number of years on the basis of a few seconds of video? I'm sorry, but that's like trying to flatten a whale with a tadpole.

I watched the video two more times. I counted 47 total crashes. I may not have gotten them all. They can be broken down like this:
Racetrack/Closed Course-23 (nearly half)
I don't ride on racetracks.

Interstate Hwy/Freeway-6
I don't ride on interstates or freeways, either.

Victim Stupidity-3

Street Traffic-12

Other-3 (getting run over while hiding in bushes, car driving across lawn (that one looked deliberate), police car hit ped (could have been deliberate, stopping a very dangerous perp)

Some fit more than one category. Running across a freeway with on-coming traffic for instance, but I listed that one in Freeway. Ditto some of the racetrack clips. Splitting cars at an controlled intersection and plowing your motorcycle into the side of a bus fits in the Street Traffic category, but is so stupid that's what it got listed as.

I didn't break down the Stree Traffic category into sub-categories, but there would be a difference between Europe, the U.S. and Latin American countries.
I don't ride in Europe or Latin America.

Some of these clips are decades old. I ride now. I don't ride decades ago, but I did.

True, cycling as exercise does not provide the upper body workout of lifting weights, but to claim cycling does nothing for upper body conditioning is false and detracts from the credibility of your argument.

No need to be so defensive. If you don't want to ride, just don't ride. Nothing wrong with not doing an activity you don't want to do.

Read these. They're much more pertinent to road and street cycling than old racetrack crash videos.
http://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/
http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm
http://www.floridabicycle.org/rights/freedomfromfear.html

You must be a troll... biking is great exercise- definitely not one of the worst. It is non-impact cardio. It is not hard on the knees at all- compared to, say, running or WALKING. It works out the heart. It is not designed to build muscle mass.

Abnormalities in scrotums? HA! So, are 50% of cyclists men? Seriously- 50% of all cyclists? That is like a huge majority of men. I guess I have learned not to SIT ON MY BALLS.


Nah, I don't think YOU get it.

Biking isn't the only form of exercise, in fact, it's one of the worst. Bad back, hard on knees, only works out legs. There is no core stabalization or lateral movement, let alone any upper body.

Also, riding for long periods can have adverse effects on your lower region. I've read studies where something like 50% of cyclists had abnormalities in their scrotums.

I LOVE to ride, but lets no kid ourselves, like some damn fanatics, oh thats right, we're on a FANATIC website, know thyself.

PS. That cage you chastize is going to be what SAVES them and KILLS you in the even of any accident.

To answer the original question, the videos impact on my decision to ride a bike about as much as watching Air Crash Investigations impacts my decision to fly in a plane. Which is not at all.

I accept that there are dangers involved in cycling, in fact I have just had four stitches removed from my face as the result of an uplanned acrobatic manoeuver over the handlebars. I am aware I could turn into a smudge on the roadway as the result of an encounter with a motor vehicle, however, I am prepared to accept these risks.

I think that is probably true for the majority of people on this thread. We have looked at the video, measured it against our own experiences and made our own decisions. Sure, some of us may be denying any risk exists at all, but why should that worry you?

As ChrisL pointed out all human activity carries some risk. It is up to each individual to determine what level of risk they are comfortable with and therefore what activities they will participate in or avoid. If you feel cycling is too risky and dangerous and wish to drive a car, that's fine. Just be aware that the steel box will not protect you if you have close encounter of the metal-crunching kind with a semi-trailer.

It is all a matter of degree.

........I've been car-free for a year now, and one of the main factors that makes me want to use public transportation is the fact that I am putting myself at an EXTREME risk riding my bike on the side of the road.........

Come to think of it. You won't happen to work in mass transit in Toronto would you? Trying to drum up support for the workers strike?:D

Nah, I don't think YOU get it.

Biking isn't the only form of exercise, in fact, it's one of the worst. Bad back, hard on knees, only works out legs. There is no core stabalization or lateral movement, let alone any upper body.

Also, riding for long periods can have adverse effects on your lower region. I've read studies where something like 50% of cyclists had abnormalities in their scrotums.

I LOVE to ride, but lets no kid ourselves, like some damn fanatics, oh thats right, we're on a FANATIC website, know thyself.

PS. That cage you chastize is going to be what SAVES them and KILLS you in the even of any accident.

It sounds like someone needs a recumbent bicycle. ;)

I'm sure someone can find some video from an accident on the NJ Turnpike yesterday afternoon which caused the highway to be closed for about 3-4 hours, and three medical helicopters had to transport people (while traffic in the other direction was stopped for 45 minutes). Let's then argue that car driving on interstates is so VERY horrible and unsafe etc etc....

Why is this forum such a magnet to pro-cager trolls?

The jist of some has been "That's the risk I have to take" while others are in flat out denial and pose arguments that say "well ain't nothin happened yet" (kinda like you ) which is horrible logic.

Let's look at your logic for a second. In a world with several billion people, you showed us a video that proves that maybe a hundred of them have been videotaped being killed because they were not in an automobile and were hit by an auto. What can we learn from that? We can learn that bicycling near cars is not risk-free. We can learn that automobiles sometimes kill people gruesomely. We don't learn what's the probability of people actually getting a reasonable amount of exercise when not doing exercise and transportation at the same time like I do. We don't learn what the life expectancy is for people who usually ride a bike for transportation, as compared to that of people who usually use motor vehicle transportation. We don't learn the rate of deaths per mile traveled for motorists and bicyclists. We don't learn what contribution an individual motor vehicle makes to the probability of motorvehicle-pedestrian accidents. We don't learn how safe/unsafe it is to watch a rally or other car race.


Personally, I'll judge the safety of what I do on the fact that in over 150,000km of riding, I've yet to break so much as a fingernail.

Shoot, i've broken a fingernail!

I think I'm safer on a bike than in a car. the accident rates, especially fatalities are much worse for autos. Most people who get hurt or killed in cars are injured when they strike a part of their own car, such as the dashboard or steering wheel. So much for the false idea that the steel cage provides protection. This thread is based on souch stupid premises that it's really just a waste of time. Bye.

posted in this same topic area, below in quotes

Yeah, would it change people's minds about being sedentary to see the "snuff" film of this woman dying?


"One of my obese co-workers died at work today of a heart attack. She was 1 year younger than myself. How much time did she loose by choosing to drive everywhere? She told me she hadn't ridden a bike since she was a child. I'd seen her get winded just climbing the stairs. What few irritations a car free lifestyle involves, for me are preferrable to croaking like she did. I'd rather be car free than complain about climbing stairs like most of the car people do. "

life is all one big risk.


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I must admit that as I was well
into a ride today, a guy in a bigass
Ford Truck 350 or some such pulled
up on my right at a cross street and
didn't stop til the last possible
moment before hitting me broadside
and the vision of those people getting
SQUISHED actually did flash before
my mind.

But I still rode bold yet defensive
today and even took a slightly more
dangerous route today on my return
trip.

Like likeakidagain sez:

Life is all one big risk!

I will not compromise the safety of those around me in order to enhance my own. (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/integrity)

When ever I am witness to an accident or other damaging incident, whether on video or in person, I always try to maintain the perspective that the victim is a real person who has just experienced something horrific.

I don't want to trivialize the reality of their experience at that moment or the subsequent suffering of witnesses and family members.

That said, it appears likely that OP's video recorded the ends of multiple people's lives and serious maiming of others. I think this fact needs to be respected.

To be honest, even posted in the context of bikeforums that video did not really cause me to think about bicycles. My first reaction was about the destructiveness of cars rather than my own risk of being hit.

It seems to me that considering that people's bodies are made of flesh, bones, hair, skin and organs, it is inherently dangerous to mix them with multi-ton metal, glass and chemical boxes that are propelled at very high speeds by gas and fire explosions.

I am not capable of determining the risk factor of all of my activities in life. The world is far too complex for this to be worth while, if possible at all. Therefore, I make decisions based on a mix of experience, logic and emotional responses. These choices may get me safely through life or may get me decapitated by a bus. Of course, either of these outcomes my happen despite my decisions.

I don't even think that the video helped me to imagine what it would be like to get hit by a car. I think it may have added a sense of flying through the air that I hadn't imagined quite so much before but besides that I am at a lose as to how to connect those images with what the experience would be. I know that cars are deadly but I still can't really imagine what the experience of being hit by one would be. What did those individuals feel? Pain, fear, confusion, numbness, shock, excitement, bliss... anything at all?

So to the OP, thanks for the reminder of the fragility of life.
And though I know it won't happen anytime soon, I hope that no one further suffers in this way, either by their own misjudgment or by the recklessness or mistakes of others.

And may no one else’s horror be used as a tool of entertainment or reduced to just part of an argument online.

Why is this forum such a magnet to pro-cager trolls?

Because there are few forums that encourage discussion of car free living. And I'm sure there are more pro-cager trolls than people living a car free life.

is that suppose to stop people from commuting on bikes??

I've been car-free for a year now, and one of the main factors that makes me want to use public transportation is the fact that I am putting myself at an EXTREME risk riding my bike on the side of the road.

Well, each person has to decide for themselves according to their nature and the ride they have to consider. Mine have shown a tremendous variety that included riding through a nature preserve, riding at midnight through downtown L.A, riding smooth wide flat asphalt shoulders in Palm Springs, and 40 mile an hour hills in Arkansas. I've spent many years car free. Things keep changing.

Personally I abhor most public transportation. Mostly because they seem to be germ incubators, and people seem to pass around colds and flu like they were sharing candy. Cars I can see to avoid. Germs I can't.

[QUOTE=SWYZ721]You are very right, I remember reading something like 5-7X the force of your weight being pounded. BUT let me posit this interesting info, they were doing studies of bone density, studied overweight individuals as well as runners. What ended up happening was the runners had THINNER and LESS DENSE spinal cords than people who were overweight and never exercise. The tested bikers, even worse. What ended up happening was the fact that bone growth (like the muscle, like the brain) depends on STRESS, athletes had put NO stress on their spinal cords, so they naturally deteriorated. Weight lifters, however, had great density.

What I'm saying is just riding your bike for EXERCISE is a HORRIBLE idea, you must stress your WHOLE body, this has nothing to do with my original topic, but cycling isn't nearly as beneficial to your skeletal and muscular AND nervous system as you think, actually, not even close.


Could you please post some links to support your statement.

About the risk. I'm sure we could post a video of almost ANYTHING and make it look like certian death. As someone who lives in SF, I could be killed by an earthquake in my sleep. Should I move? The BART could fly off it's tracks and kill EVERYONE on it. I could eat bad sushi and... you get the point.

Just do a quick search of this cat's posts. 90% of them have been on this topic telling us who we shouldn't ride our bikes on the street. Funny enough... he was asking about a used ROAD bike in another thread.

God only knows what he was going to use it for!

Just do a quick search of this cat's posts. 90% of them have been on this topic telling us who we shouldn't ride our bikes on the street. Funny enough... he was asking about a used ROAD bike in another thread.

God only knows what he was going to use it for!

I can think of a few things, but most of them contravene the forum guidelines. :)

I LOVE to ride, but lets no kid ourselves, like some damn fanatics, oh thats right, we're on a FANATIC website, know thyself.

I haven't been here from the start, but from what I've seen I don't think this is a fanatic website. Lately, however, we seem to have more members with a high horse and some kind of an agenda to promote :rolleyes:.

--J