Foo - how drinking affect certain people

Morning after rant.
Went out last night with close friends of mine, this one person who I care about drinks more often then he should, the problem is that when he does, he goes from being the most interesting person to being assertive and controlling and even agressive.:(
Sometimes, I sadly think our close friendship is in jerperdy because of how he turns out to be when he has too many drinks. We go from having the best laughs(when sober) to arguing ( when he is drunk).
Drinking changes some people so much, or does it just accentuate the way they truly are?

Morning Blondie!:)

In my experience... I think it's a little of both.... but more of the later. I think people's "inner character" comes out when they drink too much.

People who are generally happy and positive about life tend to be "happy go lucky" type drinkers. They drink a little and they just feel good and relaxed and happy to be out cutting loose a little with friends. (I'm in this category..I'm a "happy drunk"):)

People who have pent up aggression, anger, control issues etc.. tend to show that side when they are drinking, because the stuff they can "usually" keep in check, they can't when under the influence of alcohol. :( People who become aggressive when they drink can also have a chemical inbalance, but either way...not any fun to be around. :mad: I found, that I have to keep my interaction with these types of friends to situations where alcohol will not be part of what we have planned.

BTW...posted some TT bike pics here last night. Hope you have a good weekend!:D

I don't really drink. If I do, it might be a wine cooler, which is good enough to get me tipsy. But I'm like you, cycle17. I'm a happy drunk. I start cracking jokes and I actually get on a roll with them. The only regret I have is being a little loud.

I can be a little more boisterous, and a little more racy in the humor department, but I don't have much in the way of aggression - I've never been in a fight or a public argument. Luckily I'm a big-ish fellow, or I would probably get messed with. :o

Drinking changes some people so much, or does it just accentuate the way they truly are?

It accentuates who they are when they are drunk. When they are sober, they are who they are when they are sober. I've been through all of this and consider myself an expert. In the end, the answer is that your friend is a "bad drunk." IOW, he probably shouldn't drink.

Instant A$$hole, just add alcohol!

^^^ :lol:

I am a giggly happy drunk... like last nite, unfortunitly my body can handle about 2 drinks...

Not supose to drink though

Instant A$$hole, just add alcohol!

:D

Alcohol isn't a disease, Alcoholism is. Alcohol is the most dangerous legal drug.
Alcohol doesn't affect everyone the same. There a heavy drinkers that are not alcoholics.
An alcoholic doesn't have to drink alot, its not the amount you drink, its how what you drink affects you.
I was usually a very happy drunk,(not one of those crying drunks), sometimes I could be mean, but usually with provocation.
Sober I'm still the same, except now when I call anyone an a**hole, I don't slur my words:lol:

Some consider alcohol "liquid courage" they need it to be someone they don't think they are. Which in reality they are, its fear that tells them they're not.
Or they believe it gives them a license to be an a**hole

And I have to agree with Lem in Pa, your friend does look to be a future candidate of AA
But I don't have the luxury of being judgemental, as I am a member of AA(and its in the rules:lol: )

I just feel really sad, he is such a great person when sober and we shared so much good times, we had an argument and I walked away from him, he was upset that I did. i didnt walk away cause I cant take desagreement but because I couldnt take how he handles an argument when he is drunk. He was very controlling, only him was allowed to have the floor to talk and god forbide you interupted him, he would get really angry. I walked away cause I cant deal with this. I thought he would call today once he sobered up, but no call and he wont return mine :(.. he probably doesnt even know he was such an a..

I just feel really sad, he is such a great person when sober and we shared so much good times, we had an argument and I walked away from him, he was upset that I did. i didnt walk away cause I cant take desagreement but because I couldnt take how he handles an argument when he is drunk. He was very controlling, only him was allowed to have the floor to talk and god forbide you interupted him, he would get really angry. I walked away cause I cant deal with this. I thought he would call today once he sobered up, but no call and he wont return mine :(.. he probably doesnt even know he was such an a..
Perhaps he does realize, but is unwilling to accept it. There's a deep
anger beneath the surface...don't get sucked into an emotionally abusive
trap.

Perhaps he does realize, but is unwilling to accept it. There's a deep
anger beneath the surface...don't get sucked into an emotionally abusive
trap.


+1 I find that unless someone is falling down, passed out drunk...they almost always have an awareness of how they acted or what they said. In my own experience...people who act like this when they have had too much to drink do have a deep seeded anger beneath the surface. They are aware of it, they just don't want to face it. Drinking brings it out when they might otherwise keep it hidden. Don't get sucked in. I feel for you BDG. I had an ex and also a close friend who acted this very same way when drinking.

yeah..:(
I really care for him and I think alcool might have distroyed our long friendship.. i didnt pull up with it and he didnt call back.
thanks for listening

alcohol.. sorry cant spell today.. or on anyday as a matter of fact

I just feel really sad, he is such a great person when sober and we shared so much good times, we had an argument and I walked away from him, he was upset that I did. i didnt walk away cause I cant take desagreement but because I couldnt take how he handles an argument when he is drunk. He was very controlling, only him was allowed to have the floor to talk and god forbide you interupted him, he would get really angry. I walked away cause I cant deal with this. I thought he would call today once he sobered up, but no call and he wont return mine :(.. he probably doesnt even know he was such an a..

IMHO, and your mileage may vary, avoid getting too close to this one. It sucks, because you never can be 100% sure what someone is like deep down inside, but the cards are stacked against you here.


peace,
David

I have about an average of a few drinks every two years or so these days. I'm a giggly drunk. There are people that you just know it's not a good idea to drink with.....and I know it's hard not to do so but you have to do it for the sake of everyone - including the person. For example, my cousin - who is the nicest guy when sober - is a stupid drunk - he walks into things, hits on women who are accompanied by giant men in a rather aggressive way and comes out swinging at the slightest slur. Not a person to drink with - so we don't. It's hard to do to tailor social interaction but it's the way we keep from killing him - and from him getting killed when he's with us.

It is now accepted that it is a desease and not a
'weakness' like has been the common misconception for a long time.

Alcohol is not, has never been and will never be considered a disease. Alcolohism, on the other hand, has been considered a disease for quite some time now.


It is a whole process triggered
as much by synapsis in the brain than the alcohol. Just like sugar to a diabetic.

That may be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard!! When you know nothing about something, you shouldn't make wild ass assertive statements like this. A diabetics thinking about sugar has absolutely no effect on their blood sugar levels. Nor does thinking about sugar have any neurological impact on a diabetic physiologically. Where in the world did you come up with this???

I don't know either way if an alcoholic's brain starts chemically changing and possibly producing physiological effects if/when they think about alcohol, but knowing a few recovering alcoholics, and having seen them around people drinking, I don't think that's the case. Possibly an active alcoholic.


Your friend is a future candidate for A.A.

Yet another stupid ass assertion. Alcohol is a drug. It changes our personalities by design. If you do not like the way someone is as a drunk, do not drink with them. But becoming a nasty drunk does not, in and of itself, make one a candidate for A.A.

The only thing that may indicate that this guy needs AA is BDG's perception that this guy drinks more often than he should. That's her opinion. May be right, may not be. What you are right about is that BDG shouldn't drink with this guy. If he does have a problem, her drinking with him is an enabling factor. Of course, if he is a candidate for AA, he'll choose the drinking over BDG in a heartbeat if she delivers an ultimatum.

As for your your final statement... alcohol is no more dangerous than you, Mr. Democrat (though much easier to ignore); it's based on the person using it and their subjectiveness to addiction and/or abuse.

The only thing that may indicate that this guy needs AA is BDG's perception that this guy drinks more often than he should. That's her opinion. May be right, may not be. What you are right about is that BDG shouldn't drink with this guy. If he does have a problem, her drinking with him is an enabling factor. Of course, if he is a candidate for AA, he'll choose the drinking over BDG in a heartbeat if she delivers an ultimatum.

drinking on an everyday basis is way too much for me, that is my peception only and my opinion, but it's way too much for me to handle, specially when you dont know when one too many will hit and the personnality changes. And you are right, I have thought of telling him that I just dont want to be around him when he drinks too much ( if he ever calls back) and what's holding me back is that i have a feeling he would choose the alcohol over me and then..ouch...

drinking on an everyday basis is way too much for me, that is my peception only and my opinion, but it's way too much for me to handle, specially when you dont know when one too many will hit and the personnality changes. And you are right, I have thought of telling him that I just dont want to be around him when he drinks too much ( if he ever calls back) and what's holding me back is that i have a feeling he would choose the alcohol over me and then..ouch...

Your probably right. Trust your instincts BDG.;)

...I have thought of telling him that I just dont want to be around him when he drinks too much ( if he ever calls back) and what's holding me back is that i have a feeling he would choose the alcohol over me and then..ouch...

On the other hand, there would also be closure and "moving on with things"? Just a thought, and easier said than done, I admit.

drinking on an everyday basis is way too much for me, that is my peception only and my opinion, but it's way too much for me to handle, specially when you dont know when one too many will hit and the personnality changes. And you are right, I have thought of telling him that I just dont want to be around him when he drinks too much ( if he ever calls back) and what's holding me back is that i have a feeling he would choose the alcohol over me and then..ouch...

Drinking on an every day basis doesn't make one an alcoholic. Drinking too much every day is definitely alcoholism.

And if he does choose drinking over you, then you know for sure. If he is an alcoholic, it's only going to get worse and if you stay with him as a friend you stand a fair chance of being affected by his alcoholism.

For reference, I have friends and family who are alcoholics (mostly recovering); part of the reason I don't drink.

Drinking on an every day basis doesn't make one an alcoholic. Drinking too much every day is definitely alcoholism.

And if he does choose drinking over you, then you know for sure. If he is an alcoholic, it's only going to get worse and if you stay with him as a friend you stand a fair chance of being affected by his alcoholism.

For reference, I have friends and family who are alcoholics (mostly recovering); part of the reason I don't drink.
Im allready affected.. Im a strong outspoken person and always laughing and upbeat.. around him when he is drunk, I get insecure, walking on egg shells all the time so i dont make him mad and I even feel unhappy.. this is affecting me.. last night it is what I was fighting for.. my pride,my spirit and everything I stand for, I really stood up for myself and it felt good to be me again.. I cannot belive how much this thread has helped me see.. I am so glad i posted it.. all of your imput made me see things I had trouble seing, some about him and some about me..
I really care for this person, Im very sad today and Im having trouble eating and i sure didnt sleep, all of it because Im afraid on not having him in my life anymore.. and now.. Im not sure he should be calling back.. regardless, thank you all for your opoions and imputs, they have helped me so far way more then youll ever know.

Angry drunks are to be avoided at all costs, otherwise you spend all your time and money bailing them out of jail. Hope things work out for you BDG.

All I can say...it's not the inner person so much as all the baggage they have going on in their lives that will come up when drunk.

If I am honestly in a good mood when drunk I will usually be loud and just odd. Usually I just make a fool out of myself by attempting to sing to Eagles songs and the like.

If I am in a so-so or bad mood, I just drink myself sleepy, and go take a nap.

Your arrogance and anger is only topped by your total lack of
correct information. Quantum and rational thinking are not your forte's.
After 4 rehabs in the 90's and two actual momentary death / alcohol poisoning
adventures in 11 months I have quite a bit of knowledge on this subject.
I would say with your attutide you would be a good candidate for the stuff AA provides
even though you say you dont partake of alcohol.
"Hello, my name is Skiahh and I am a dry drunk"

AA teaches letting go......
You are now the second person on my ignore list.

Have a GREAT day !

WooHooo! I'm on a holier than thou moron's ignore list. I feel complete.

(And for the record - if anyone cares, yes, I was annoyed by dingbat's implication that Diabetics are addicted to sugar, which is about as insulting a thing you can say to a Diabetic. As if they have any say over the matter or can go to some meetings and cure themselves. Yes, it affects me... my wife is a 24 year Type 1 Diabetic.)

WooHooo! I'm on a holier than thou moron's ignore list. I feel complete.

(And for the record - if anyone cares, yes, I was annoyed by dingbat's implication that Diabetics are addicted to sugar, which is about as insulting a thing you can say to a Diabetic. As if they have any say over the matter or can go to some meetings and cure themselves. Yes, it affects me... my wife is a 24 year Type 1 Diabetic.)

You should be thankful that Lem has explained why his views are as skewed as they are. His brain wasn't functioning for large portions of his life.

I have first hand experience with both alcoholics and diabetics. Both involuntary conditions can be triggered by voluntary acts of consumption, and both are not necessarily so. Both can be treated, neither can be cured.

In this case, BDG pointing out that her friend's drinking effects her behavior, and that she's not willing to accept that might be an eye-opener for him. Probably not, but it might be. The realization should be one for you though BDG. You can be honest with him and with yourself, it's the best you can do for both.

Some people, like your friends, brain starts to chemically change just
by hearing the sound of a tab being pulled off the can. The wheels are now
in motion for the stuff to happen you describe. It is a whole process triggered
as much by synapsis in the brain than the alcohol. Just like sugar to a diabetic.


I think that should suffice in answering, at least partially, both of your questions, but my issue with you has little to do with this particular thread, so I apologize to BDG for airing my distaste for your views here.

Wow.
How old are you ?
I want to shamefully I digress to your level and
opine "what a total loser" but Ill mecifully end it here.
Be proud of yourself. :rolleyes:

Both involuntary conditions can be triggered by voluntary acts of consumption

Type 1 isn't caused by any voluntary act of anything. In fact, they don't know what triggers it. It's caused by your immune system attacking the insulin producing cells in your Pancreas. Can come on when you are very young or, as they're finding out, when you're older. That's why they don't call it Juvenille Diabetes any more.

Type 2 (or Adult Onset) can be caused by overeating, but that's not always true, either. So you can't generalize by saying that Type 2 is absolutely caused by voluntary acts of consumption, either.

Hey Lem...

Did you delete your posts or is the server messing with me again? I'm only getting part of the story here.

<------- Doesn't Drink

Ya don't have to drink daily to have a problem, hell, once a month and you can have a serious problem, depends on the person.

Gee all this talk made me get a wine cooler.

Gee all this talk made me get a wine cooler.
I don't think that that was the intended effect of this thread. :p

BDG, I'm really sorry to hear about Friday night.

I am generally not a nice person and people really piss me off, I can keep myself in place most of the time but sometimes my anger comes out. Thats why I dont drink when I'm frusterated, had a bad day or anything else like that, it brings out the true me. I also dont drink before a fight because if I did i'm pretty sure that fight would turn into a manslaughter charge.

I only drink when everything is going good and i've had a good few weeks, which isnt often, and when I am having a good time and I drink, you cant piss me off becuase I'm just to happy.

A drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts.

Type 1 isn't caused by any voluntary act of anything. In fact, they don't know what triggers it. It's caused by your immune system attacking the insulin producing cells in your Pancreas. Can come on when you are very young or, as they're finding out, when you're older. That's why they don't call it Juvenille Diabetes any more.

Type 2 (or Adult Onset) can be caused by overeating, but that's not always true, either. So you can't generalize by saying that Type 2 is absolutely caused by voluntary acts of consumption, either.

Diabetes.
The condition isn't voluntary, The sugar a diabetic takes in, is voluntary. Its the sugar intake or lack there of is what affects a diabetic. My Grandmother was diabetic, my mother is diabetic, my bother-in-law
lost his right leg due to inpart, his diabetes. My mother contiues to have Cherry Pie, continues to eat all the frosting off the knife when serving cake. Eating the frosting, the sugar, is voluntary.

Alcoholic's don't choose to be alcoholics. If it were up to me, I would be able to drink all I wanted and still function. You know, pay my bills, not miss work, go home before or at least shortly after last call, thats just not gonna happen. So the voluntary part is choosing not to take the first drink.
My mother has the voluntary choice not to eat pie and/or frosting, but that ain't gonna happen either.
Saying shes addicted to sugar may be a stretch, but its along the line of saying, an obese person who uses food for comfort is addicted to food.

I didnt mean to start a heated debate about this or cause hurt feelings between some members...
all i can say is that again, this thred has helped me realise some things, Im not ready to pull up with this and I think I might of lost a friendship I had valued so much over alcohol..
I think he has anger issues and they come out when he drinks, anger is ugly and scares me.
I heard from him, via text message to check my emails, in my emails he was telling me he needs time alone to think. I can respect that, but what I cant stand is someone who treats something important via email!!! we live one mile from each other, gesh... but that's beside the fact, do I want to relive this again? no, and chances are I will, everytime he drinks

... do I want to relive this again? no, and chances are I will, everytime he drinks

That sucks. Being close to someone with anger issues, however, can suck more. Sorry you gotta deal with this.

I didnt mean to start a heated debate about this or cause hurt feelings between some members...
all i can say is that again, this thred has helped me realise some things, Im not ready to pull up with this and I think I might of lost a friendship I had valued so much over alcohol..
I think he has anger issues and they come out when he drinks, anger is ugly and scares me.
I heard from him, via text message to check my emails, in my emails he was telling me he needs time alone to think. I can respect that, but what I cant stand is someone who treats something important via email!!! we live one mile from each other, gesh... but that's beside the fact, do I want to relive this again? no, and chances are I will, everytime he drinks

I am sorry for what your going thru, I've been in your shoes, as someone affected by anothers alcoholism.
I am an Alcholic Adult Child of an Alcoholic(I always wanted a title)
My father was in and out of hospitals/rehab all of my life. He finally died of sirosis in 1989.
Let me tell you, its an ugly way to go
My last drink was May 7, 1992, May 8th 1992 my family cornered me for an intervention.(I'm never going to my sister-in-laws for brunch again)
Of course at the time I was living with an alcoholic, after 6 mos(Nov. 16th) I left, he ended up in rehab
that weekend.

Even if your friend isn't an alcoholic, his drinking is affecting you. Be there for him if he truly needs you[not to bail him out] but as someone to talk to when hes ready to talk. The fact that he emailed you, seems to me hes not ready to talk, not neccessarily that hes treating it as unimportant. I know this can be painful, but you also need to do whats best for you, and in the long run not being there as an enabler will be good for him.

Diabetes.
The condition isn't voluntary, The sugar a diabetic takes in, is voluntary.

Not entirely true. Like you and I, a diabetic requires sugar to fuel the body. Type 1s can actually "indulge" in things like cherry pie or frosting by taking extra insulin. However, like you and I, too much sugar (calories) makes them fat. But unlike an addict, a diabetic can't go into "therapy" and get off the sugar.

I don't know as much about type 2s as 1s, but I do know most can regulate their disease through diet and exercise. In that, I guess I'd agree that there may be a similarity to an addict. If someone is diagnosed with T2 diabetes and can't adjust their diet (and increase their activity) to regulate their disease then I suppose you can make the case that they're addicted to the food and/or addicted to being senentary. However, I stand by my original assertion that they're not addicted to the sugar specifically.

And, as harsh as it may sound, someone who is a T2 and doesn't make the concerted effort to exercise more and/or control their diet will suffer the effects that they know - without a doubt - will happen if they do not change. Do they have a choice? I think so... I think a true food addiction is more rare than an alcohol addiction. And there's no "rehab" for food... unless you count the various spas and fat farms out there.

I am sorry for what your going thru, I've been in your shoes, as someone affected by anothers alcoholism.
I am an Alcholic Adult Child of an Alcoholic(I always wanted a title)
My father was in and out of hospitals/rehab all of my life. He finally died of sirosis in 1989.
Let me tell you, its an ugly way to go
My last drink was May 7, 1992, May 8th 1992 my family cornered me for an intervention.(I'm never going to my sister-in-laws for brunch again)
Of course at the time I was living with an alcoholic, after 6 mos(Nov. 16th) I left, he ended up in rehab
that weekend.

Even if your friend isn't an alcoholic, his drinking is affecting you. Be there for him if he truly needs you[not to bail him out] but as someone to talk to when hes ready to talk. The fact that he emailed you, seems to me hes not ready to talk, not neccessarily that hes treating it as unimportant. I know this can be painful, but you also need to do whats best for you, and in the long run not being there as an enabler will be good for him.
thank you, maybe you're right.. the email means he doesnt want to talk, not nesessary that he doesnt treat this as important, although he was still nasty in his tone in his email..sounding so self centered, as this is only affecting him and not other people, all was about him and him only, Im the last person he is worried about after knowing how upset i have been from not hearing from him, he almost made it sound like something was wrong with me for trying to get in touch and talk to him.. all of this cause I cared????? well, I think it's time I start caring about myself and worry about myself here before he gets the best of me.. ( thanks for letting me rant)

Not entirely true. Like you and I, a diabetic requires sugar to fuel the body. Type 1s can actually "indulge" in things like cherry pie or frosting by taking extra insulin. However, like you and I, too much sugar (calories) makes them fat. But unlike an addict, a diabetic can't go into "therapy" and get off the sugar.

This is almost like gambling,(and could be dangerous) taking the chance that they can counter-act too much sugar intake with insulin, (which I don't think is guaranteed) without some sort of affect on their body. Sure a diabetic needs sugar, but to over indulge in sugar is the voluntary choice. My mother knows the dangers and still she indulges.


I think a true food addiction is more rare than an alcohol addiction. And there's no "rehab" for food... unless you count the various spas and fat farms out there.

Maybe not rehab, but definately counseling/therapy to get to the root of the food addiction.
Its not about the food, its the issues they can't deal with, without the comfort of food. IMO
My bf's daughter weighs easily 300lbs. In the past couple of years she has come to terms with issues,[physically removed herself from issues dealing with her mother, whom she loves] moved to Chicago, has a job she loves, now has a wonderful man in her life. She has consulted a dr and has been dieting and taking calorie burning medication, she has dropped 4-6 lbs bi-week for nearly 2 months. And I've never seen her look so good or be as happy as she is now. Shes still eating, shes just not over indulging.

I sometimes like to play with the idea(I think like many alcoholics) that it was where I was in my life emotionally that caused my drinking. Now that I'm happy, more self confident, better self esteem, and yes maturity, I'd like to think I could handle it. Which in a way [I think] its like thinking I could take extra insulin so I can consume too much sugar. Because what if I'm wrong? I could lose alot, besides 14 yrs of sobriety shot to hell. An alcoholic always has another good drunk in them, but as my father proved(he would have a year or 2 of sobriety on & off for 25 years) an alcoholic doesn't always have a another recovery in them.

So all in all, I'd have to say I think alcoholics like diabetics have voluntary choices that affect their life, their health and their well-being.

thank you, maybe you're right.. the email means he doesnt want to talk, not nesessary that he doesnt treat this as important, although he was still nasty in his tone in his email..sounding so self centered, as this is only affecting him and not other people, all was about him and him only, Im the last person he is worried about after knowing how upset i have been from not hearing from him, he almost made it sound like something was wrong with me for trying to get in touch and talk to him.. all of this cause I cared????? well, I think it's time I start caring about myself and worry about myself here before he gets the best of me.. ( thanks for letting me rant)

I also know where hes coming from. It was all about me too. On my way to brunch that friday, I had a sneaking suspision something was up. As I drove, I kept saying to myself, " if they give me any crap, I'll just leave, F**k them. Then as family members began to arrive, I knew I was f**ked and I wasn't going to be able to just leave as I had planned. Which it turns out was a good thing.

There are life long friends I no longer associate with, only because they just don't get it. Their life still revolves around the party or the bar. And a day off or a good time is unheard of without alcohol being involved. So that left us nothing in common to enjoy, and I refuse to baby-sit their drunk a**.

Also if I have a drinking problem, what does it say about them.(its all about them) My life has changed in so many ways, but the fear of that change or taking the responsibilty for my actions & my life(also my sons life, he was 8yrs old when I quit drinking) was alot to deal with. My first 30 days of sobriety was tough, if not for cigarettes & crossword puzzles, I'm not sure i would have made it. Cuz what was I gonna do with myself if I couldn't drink. Over coming the boredom(as I thought of it) how was I gonna occupy my time. Oh my god, my life is over. I'm happy to report my life has never been better and I've never been happier.

thank you, maybe you're right.. the email means he doesnt want to talk, not nesessary that he doesnt treat this as important, although he was still nasty in his tone in his email..sounding so self centered, as this is only affecting him and not other people, all was about him and him only, Im the last person he is worried about after knowing how upset i have been from not hearing from him, he almost made it sound like something was wrong with me for trying to get in touch and talk to him.. all of this cause I cared????? well, I think it's time I start caring about myself and worry about myself here before he gets the best of me.. ( thanks for letting me rant)

I don't believe alcohol brings out the true personality of someone, I think alcohol can turn some very good people into monsters and cause them to do some pretty unthinkable things.

Be careful, if he is a real alcoholic, he will be a master at manipulation and will try to make it seem like you are the one with the problem or causing problems in the relationship, and not his drinking.

Most alcoholics have to have some serious consequences before they seek help. If you truly think he is an alcoholic, and care for him, the best thing you can do is not enable him, which will be very tough for you. You have to give him the choice, you or booze. Tell him you will not be around him if he drinks AT ALL, period. He will try to manipulate you and say, "Oh, I'm only having one" but you have to stick to your guns.

If he chooses booze over you, he may not realize at first that he lost you as a consequence of drinking, and will probably be bitter, but once he has a few other consequences, he may realize he has a drinking problem and get help. You will be doing him a favor if you don't tolerate his drinking. One day, if he gets sober, he will thank you.

....You will be doing him a favor if you don't tolerate his drinking. One day, if he gets sober, he will thank you.

+1

This is almost like gambling,(and could be dangerous) taking the chance that they can counter-act too much sugar intake with insulin, (which I don't think is guaranteed) without some sort of affect on their body. Sure a diabetic needs sugar, but to over indulge in sugar is the voluntary choice. My mother knows the dangers and still she indulges.


You know, we could go back and forth about this and not agree - mostly because I think your experience is with Type 2s and mine is with Type 1s who have different requirements to control their BG. The bottom line is that what got my ire up originally was the implication that a diabetic was addicted like an alcoholic and could therefore become a "recovering diabetic" which is couldn't be farther from the truth.

BDG - I think you've come to the right conclusion which unfortunately isn't going to be easy on you as you move on. Maybe this'll be the straw that breaks the camels back and get him to realize his drinking is costing him. Don't count on that, however, just hope for the best while you move on and take care of yourself.

You know, we could go back and forth about this and not agree - mostly because I think your experience is with Type 2s and mine is with Type 1s who have different requirements to control their BG. The bottom line is that what got my ire up originally was the implication that a diabetic was addicted like an alcoholic and could therefore become a "recovering diabetic" which is couldn't be farther from the truth.

BDG - I think you've come to the right conclusion which unfortunately isn't going to be easy on you as you move on. Maybe this'll be the straw that breaks the camels back and get him to realize his drinking is costing him. Don't count on that, however, just hope for the best while you move on and take care of yourself.

I don't think Lem in Pa meant Diabetes is a choice, but that alcoholism is a disease as is diabetes.
Where how it affects a persons life, depends on their voluntary choices. I could be wrong (sorry Lem, I don't mean to speak for you)

I also don't see an alcoholic as an addict, I'm not addicted to alcohol. In reality, I'm unable to handle alcohol. My addiction was the excitement/fun and euphoria that was suppose to accompany the alcohol.

I am though, addicted to Nicotine, which is a voluntary choice to continue using it. :)

And maybe I took what you were saying the wrong way. Which didn't rile me, I just felt I had to state it from an alcoholics point of veiw.

Peace

Drinking made my mother split up with my stepfather.

He's an a-hole, and a liar, and a thief.

Drinking made my mother split up with my stepfather.

He's an a-hole, and a liar, and a thief.

And a drunk. ;)

And a drunk. ;)

I think that could be easily inferred, but thanks. :p