Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - one more reason to loathe the nypd

so i was riding home around 3:30 am last night and with no
warning my seatpost bolt breaks and i flip the bike. the seat apparently
when it broke fell on the back well causing me to go flying forward.
however there were two cops standing there dealing with a taxi
and instead of coming over to help me off the pavement stood
there just looking at me. I walked over to them and they
were like "are you ok?" thats it. so i had a extra seatpost bolt
with me randomnly and started to put it back together. there was
a randomn beat up white car so i placed all my tools and what not on it
and started to work. then this undercover taxi pulls over and this cop
gets out and starts screaming at me to "get my sh** off his car". iam like
what ?? and yells again and threatans to arrest me!!%%%
so i move the things and he starts like saying to his cop friends like
"can you believe this mf putting his wrench on my car.
so i finally got it working and made it home in time for the sunrise
and to discover a huge knot on my kneecap.
i guess it would have been worse had it happened while i was
riding over the queensbridge on the car side with cars zooming
by at 70mph. oh well gotta go get the bike checked out now,
ride safe.

i know i should proofread and iam a horrible speller but you get the idea.

That is totally lame.

sux dude. sorry about that. sounds crappy.

Don't put your tools and $hit on someone else's car. Simple.

Wow, glad to hear you are okay and not incarcerated.

Typical NYPD behavior.

Not that I think his reaction was justified, but I couldn't imagine putting my **** on someone else's car. Granted, I could give a crap about his car, but that doesn't mean I'm going to use it as a workbench.

oh come on. cut crayon a little slack. it was 3:30 in the morning.

sometimes keeping those random things in your bag or around the house payoff. i wanted to do a massive purge today of misc. junk ... just may have to wait on that.

Don't put your tools and $hit on someone else's car. Simple.

Sorry, I have to agree. He was a total jerk about it, but you have to respect other people's property, even if is a 'random beat up white car'.

i know i should proofread and iam a horrible speller but you get the idea.

Was not to bad, I got the idea and my brain did not hurt trying to figure it out. You did well Gashhopper!

ive been hurt, more than helped by the police.

a knot on your kneecap?

**** the police!

I think the irony here, and the reason why this is yet anothe example of NYC cops being pigs, is that they didn;t give a damn about a cyclist potentially being injured, but they are all up in arms about a possible dent to a car.

Most cops are stupid. They think that CAR = HIGHSTATUS and BIKE = LOWSTATUS. Of course, they serve and protect those with high status.

and of course big pieces of metal are more important than people

Sorry, I have to agree. He was a total jerk about it, but you have to respect other people's property, even if is a 'random beat up white car'.

Oh, please. Touching someone's car is not disrespecting their property! If he was just throwing his tools on top of it and scratching it all up, that would be disrespect, but there's no indication that he did that. As long as he was careful about it, he didn't ****ing do anything wrong!

Yeah, that's, yeah... Just put your tools under the car next time. And have a recorder there so you can complain to his *sup. It's one thing to ask, but if he's "undercover", and complains about stuff on his car to his visibibly police friends, that's just stupid.

Otoh, I don't know if there's anything explicitly illegal about putting your stuff on someone elses stuff on public property so long as you don't damage it, iirc private property isn't as well protected in the public realm.

Ftnypd

am i the only one who thinks that the craziest part of this story is that OP had an extra seatpost binder bolt in his pocket. that is the largest stroke of luck anyone could have. WTF?

oh, and cops suck blue whale, yada yada yada

How would you like it if someone put tools on your bike while fixing their car?

How would you like it if someone put tools on your bike while fixing their car?

who gives a crap. good luck getting a tool to rest effortlessly on a toptube.

The cop was a dick.
The OP shouldn't have put his tools on a random car but it's not the biggest of infractions and certainly did not warrent the cop's reaction.
Next time, use the sidewalk.

thanks for the responses, my knee is a tad sore but not a big deal i hope.
it was a big stroke of luck that i had the bolt with me. i have another
one on order in case this ever happens again. personally i was just a little shaken
up from flipping the bike and i saw a place to put my tools while i was
trying to figure out how to put the clamp back together.it was probably wrong
to put them on someones car but it was dark and late and it seemed like a good idea.
it sucked the most having to profously apologize to undercover cop driving a undercover taxi
so i wouldnt go to jail for vandalizing or whatever stupid charge they would make up.
however i made it home and live to fight another fight.

Being shaken up after the crash I'm sure had a lot to do with you not thinking and just putting your tools on the car.
Your adrenaline is flowing and you really usually aren't 100% sound.

Oh, please. Touching someone's car is not disrespecting their property! If he was just throwing his tools on top of it and scratching it all up, that would be disrespect, but there's no indication that he did that. As long as he was careful about it, he didn't ****ing do anything wrong!
There is no reason for him to put his stuff on someone else's car. There is every reason for that person to not want a stranger putting metal tools on their car, because that can scratch the heck out of the car, careful or not.

Edit: trollish statement removed.

to be fair the tools were in a tool bag, and i had my plastic fender on the car
that was the extent of it.

Edit: trollish statement removed.

Aw, why'd you remove it? I can take it! ;)

Anyway, there's no real need to argue this any further. All I'll say is that the cop didn't have to be a dick about it. He could have just asked crayon to remove his tools like a rational human being. Good luck with your knee, crayon. I hope it's not too damaged and heals quickly.

A) if you had gotten hit by a cab and cops were dealing with the cabbie, and someone threw themself over their bars, but was obviously ok, would you rather the cops ran across to kiss the rider's boo-boo better, or would you rather the cops kept dealing with the cabbie?
(not that the cabbie hit a bike, but in my book all cabbies are evil and any time a cops ****s with them i'm all for it...)
B) if you walked up to the bike rack/parking meter and saw a car with a flat and the car owner had his jack hanging off your top tube, you'd be pretty pissed, yes?

cops did nothing wrong... they were on a job, and were dealing with it... you were not bleeding out of your face, and you were concious... they asked if you were ok, and i'm sure if you'd said "no, i'm ****ed" they would have called for someone... they are not your mom and they are not there to rub the owie on your knee...

am i the only one who thinks that the craziest part of this story is that OP had an extra seatpost binder bolt in his pocket. that is the largest stroke of luck anyone could have. WTF?
+1. What the hell?

Oh, please. Touching someone's car is not disrespecting their property! If he was just throwing his tools on top of it and scratching it all up, that would be disrespect, but there's no indication that he did that. As long as he was careful about it, he didn't ****ing do anything wrong!

i don't know. i wouldn't want someone say leanin' their car jack against my bike. just sayin'. . .:)

**** the police!

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about cops being jerks. yesterday because of all the PR madness in Brooklyn the cops had some streets closed. therefore the kids take the opportunity to play in the street. some cop in his civilian car decides to forget the street closing and go around the barrier and then proceeds to barrel down the street with no regard to the safety of children not expecting a car. typical higher then thau behavior.

If the cop had said, calmly, human like, "That's my car man, what are you doing with your tools on it?" That would have a totally different outcome than what happened. Crayon would have maybe sheepishly apologized and removed his tools. Instead the GD NYPD is being dragged through the mud, where 99% of them seem to belong. The undercover cop threatened to arrest Crayon ?!? (disorderly placement of tools?) which is Situation Normal here.

What else you carrying in that big green bag?

Just touching a cop car in traffic, to let them know you are THERE, will get your ass chased and arrested. :eek:

Crayons, glad your ok.

I'd say you got lucky it was a cop's car and not some random citizens. The cops less likely to hand out a proper beat down for that kind of ****ed up behavior.

I know a lot of guys who wouldn't have let you walk away without some sort of bodily harm if you put a bunch of metal tools on the hood of their car like it was your effing workbench.

You ****ed up. It's not the nypd's fault.

first of all, glad you're okay... that sounds like it could've been an intense fall. secondly, regardless of that guy's status as a police officer... **** him. to be so stuck up your own ass that you'd **** yourself over someone putting something on the hood of your car proves you to be pretty worthless in the grand scheme of things.

I'd say you got lucky it was a cop's car and not some random citizens. The cops less likely to hand out a proper beat down for that kind of ****ed up behavior.

I know a lot of guys who wouldn't have let you walk away without some sort of bodily harm if you put a bunch of metal tools on the hood of their car like it was your effing workbench.

You ****ed up. It's not the nypd's fault.

Douchy a$$holes should not be the standard to which we rate behavior.
Just because some dick friends of yours would have kicked this guy's ass for putting his tools on their car doesn't make it right and it doesn't make the cop's reaction any less uncalled for.
As I said before, the OP shouldn't have put his tools on the car, but the cop overreacted.

I'd say you got lucky it was a cop's car and not some random citizens. The cops less likely to hand out a proper beat down for that kind of ****ed up behavior.

I know a lot of guys who wouldn't have let you walk away without some sort of bodily harm if you put a bunch of metal tools on the hood of their car like it was your effing workbench.

You ****ed up. It's not the nypd's fault.
it's a ****ing CAR. who gives a **** if the hood gets a couple scratches in it? anyone materialistic enough to freak out about that probably needs to reconsider their priorities in life. as far as the inevitable question of how i would react were i to find someone had rested something on my bike goes, go ahead and ask me do i give a ****.

I work hard for my ****, up to and including my car. I take pride in having a nice car, and at other times in my life I have treated my car like I currently treat my bikes, modifying them, taking care of them, participating in auto enthusiast events with other friends.

So you're damn straight I'd be pretty ****ing pissed if someone put their **** on the hood of my car w/ out asking. To you a car might just be a box on wheels but to someone else a car could be their prized possesion. Respect.

I agree, respect.
The OP shouldn't have put his tools on the car.
But *****ing him out or kicking his ass for doing so it just ********.
What's wrong with a simple, "Hey man, can you please take your tools off my car? I don't want it to get scratched."

jesus titty ****ing christ, sinfield, relax, its just a paint job. His tools were in a bag that most likely wasn't made out of pointy sharp things (its the newest trendy fabric) and resting a plastic fender on a well painted metal surface ain't gonna do ****. Now if he pissing sulfuric acid and heavy pointy things on the hood of the car i might agree that it was ****ed up, but what he did was no worse than someone resting a bottle of water on the hood while they tied their shoes. The cops in NYC are really overly aggressive and quite the ******bag-a-maniacs, and were most likely over-reacting to a harmless situation. It wasn't the smartest move, but for ****'s sake, people need to chilllllllll ...

Anyone who advocates violence over non-harmful objects temporarily placed on something they've worked hard for deserves to have it come right back at them and every time they throw a cig' butt, spits out gum or spits on the sidewalk in front of a store they should expect some crazed shop owner to come out and start throwing 'bows until the street's stained red.

Alright.

My first post did come off fairly reactionary. That said, I do know people who would likely beat the **** out of someone who pulled that **** on their car. And you know what? They're great people. They're people who worked their asses off for years to get out of the ghetto and take pride in their 5k + paintjobs on their cars which they look at like rolling works of art. Putting some tools on the hood of one of these guys cars would be tatamount to spitting in their face.
And for the record, I wasn't advocating violence at all. I said that 1. I know people who would kick someone's ass for doing that. and 2. He was lucky he didn't do it to one of those type of guys' car. You can't deny that there are probably a bunch of people in the NYC who would kick someone's ass for scratching the hood of their car w/ tools. IMO the OP was lucky it was a cop who would likely show more restraint than your run of the mill thug.



jesus titty ****ing christ, sinfield, relax, its just a paint job. His tools were in a bag that most likely wasn't made out of pointy sharp things (its the newest trendy fabric) and resting a plastic fender on a well painted metal surface ain't gonna do ****.

Nowhere in the original post did he mention that the tools were in a bag. If that's the case, then I agree that it's not AS big of a deal probably. And for the record, a halfway decent paint job for a car will run you at least 2 grand. Not exactly chump change.

And finally, while I agree that it's kind of ****ty for a cop to not really help you out if you have a bike accident, by the OP's own admission he got right up and they also asked to make sure he was ok after he got up. Perhaps not the most compassionate response in the world, but within the parameters of their job, especially since it sounds like they were involved in another police action at the time.

And finally, did the cop who owned the car over react by yelling at the OP? I don't think so. Threatening to arrest him is definitley overeacting IMO, but using profanity to tell someone to stop ****ing w/ your **** is acceptable IMO.

Maybe some people are less materialistic than me and think that the whole thing was blown out of proportion. I can kind of see where you're coming from even though I feel very differently aobut the situation. Thats all. Sorry for derailing the thread btw, and good to hear that you are ok.

to be fair the tools were in a tool bag, and i had my plastic fender on the car
that was the extent of it.

he said it right here.

he said it right here.

didn't see that one on the second page. My bad. Still feel the same though.

And finally, did the cop who owned the car over react by yelling at the OP? I don't think so. Threatening to arrest him is definitley overeacting IMO, but using profanity to tell someone to stop ****ing w/ your **** is acceptable IMO.

yeah, if you are mentally challenged or have a problem forming intelligent sentences in english. Even though I wouldnt put my tools on someone's car its not like a city owned, beater, under cover cop car (in NYC of all places) is in pristine condition nor does it have a insane paint job with 3 coats of clear. How difficult is it to say "Excuse me, I would rather you didnt rest your tools on my hood?"

Aw, why'd you remove it? I can take it!
Nah, decided to chill out a bit on the 'grumpy old guy' bit. It's not productive. :)


jesus titty ****ing christ, sinfield, relax, its just a paint job. ... what he did was no worse than someone resting a bottle of water on the hood while they tied their shoes.
Here's the thing. If you don't touch other people's stuff, then you don't deal with them. At all. The issue then goes away. Easy.

The only thing you gain putting your tools on someone's car is not stooping over a bit, a five minute inconvenience. Their car might get permanent scratches. You say 'so what', but you're not the person to judge that... it's the one who deals with the consequences that has the right to say 'ok' or not.


The cops in NYC are really overly aggressive and quite the ******bag-a-maniacs, and were most likely over-reacting to a harmless situation. It wasn't the smartest move, but for ****'s sake, people need to chilllllllll ...
I totally agree, and I have since my first post. The cop's behavior is inexcusable.

The trick is, with people like that - aggressive, angry, and in power - stay below their radar. If the OP practiced a little bit more respect for other people's stuff/space in general, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.

And for the record, a halfway decent paint job for a car will run you at least 2 grand. Not exactly chump change.

jeez, i'd assume that a 2000+ dollar paintjob would resist stuff like flying gravel, the occasional brush with an evergreen branch, the rubbing of a dangling key near the keyways, sport racks, low-speed runaway shopping cart collisions and--yes--the resting of the occasional tool on the finish during maintenance.

if you're not getting that sort of durability out of your 2000+ dollar finish, you should take your car to wherever my bikes were painted, cos they've been crashed, hit by cars, dropped down staircases, flung into asphalt and locked up to gnarly street furniture and are in pretty damn good condition.

thats what i'm thinkin too

youth,
Maybe you wouldn't care is you put scratches on someone else's car, but I sure as hell would if it was my car. No one has any right to put anything on property that isn't his/hers. I guess I could scratch your bike's paint and you wouldn't care? I just bet!