Commuting - Electra Townie?

I was in REI yesterday, and I looked at the Electra Townie. It looks really good, I was impressed. I wanted to know if anyone out there owns it. Most of my trips right now are under six miles, to the library, grocery store, and such. I don't really care about speed so much, so its ok if its a little slower. They say this bike has "flat foot technology" where you can put both feet on the ground at lights and such. I don't have a problem starting or stopping now, I use clips and straps, but sometimes I try to come to rolling stops so I don't have to pull either foot out. Anyway I'm just imagining riding the townie with a messenger bag in regular clothes and jumping off to my destination. It will be a little while before I can get it though, right now I have no space... What do you guys think about the townie, and why is it that they don't seem to be hugely popular, or is it just me?

I like the Townies for what they are. I don't own one, but I've ridden a few at the LBS. They're comfortable and hip in a beach-cruiser style. I think they fit that niche for cruising bikes -- short trips, jumping on and off, and cruising around. Just my opinion, but I don't see them as serious utility bikes.

I'd recommend taking a look at the Breezers. They have a similar strategy as the Townies, but a lot more versitile and utility functional. All models come with fenders and racks and the higher end models come equiped with lights. I think the frames are better designed for both short and long range trips. They're bikes for going to the corner or on a tour.

And of course bikes like either of these can be built up from any old frame. I built up a Schwinn cruiser from Craigslist for $50 and it rides great. Old mountain bike frames can easily be outfitted for town trips cheaper than a new Townie. My opinions, YMMV.

why is it that they don't seem to be hugely popular, or is it just me?

No, it's not you , mate. This design is aimed at "mature" riders who place comfort and easy of use
above all else which the "elite youthful" market here isn't ready for yet. In time the semi-recumbent
design(which the Townie is) may become very popular ,along with internal hub gears, as the market
matures to want a bike to ride more than a "toy" to play with and maintain.

The Electra Townie is a hop on and ride, hop off and walk away, bike for folk's who just don't want to
walk everywhere. Like I said, The mature crowd. (NOT old foggies either)

The Townie makes a fine commuter, I know this because I own one (a Townie 24) and I commute. My route is 12 miles each way and moderately hilly (whatever that means to you). The only thing required to take the Townie out of the "mature" catagory is to replace the riser bar with a flat one. You can then set the bar height about an inch above your knee height and apply some real torque to the pedals. Some serious hill climbing and across the light acceleration is the result.

The price was right. In the next year I will go with a Rans Zentik Tour for commuting duties, price being the major factor. If I were to keep the Townie I'd put it on a bit of a diet but really it's the geometry I like.

I love my Townie 3, and get lots of compliments on it. I have a commuter and a road bike that I love also, but the Townie is great for short trips to the grocery store when I only want to wear sandals and the clothes I have on. There's a new pink one that is super-hot looking, by the way. (No, I do not work for Electra.)

I've seen the Townies be good for different types of riders:

* Women who are afraid of falling off a bike. (Not sure why I always hear that from women and not from men.)
* Heavy-set riders who have not been able to comfortably ride "standard" bikes. Once they lost a certain amount of weight, some of them get a "standard" bike, but others stick with that design.
* People who have some kind of health problem that make riding a standard bike difficult, but that semi-recumbant style works great. Some people don't have a health problem per se, but it just works for their bodies better.
* People who ride for short distances and/or stop a lot.
* People who like that certain "neo-retro" style of the Townie.
* People who just like riding something different.
* People who want to be able to decorate their bike with decals that resemble their tattoos.

If Townies get more people on bikes and reduces short car trips, I think they've earned a respectable place in the universe.

Well thanks for the opinions... I looked at the Breezer website, and they do look pretty cool, because they have the lights and racks already built in, but the townies just look so good to me. I think they definitley fit my style of riding, unfortunatley right now I live in an apartment with two toilets, but no space for two bikes... So it will be a couple of months, maybe christmas before I can get one, but that will give me time to decide.

Speaking of Electra, I got up close and personal on the Straight 8 yesterday... man that ride is sweet. That would be one fat ride to cruise on up to the soda shop and back.

I have an Electra Townie3. Of five bikes, my road bike, my roady hybrid (my old commuter), and my wife's comfort bike and son's mountain bike, which I periodically ride to keep in tune, the Townie sees the most use and miles. Partly because it's so much fun and relaxed to ride, and partly because of these five bikes it's the most stable and versatile. Another plus is I can ride in any clothes and not have to change when I get there.

Hurricane Dennis changed my living location and, as a result, some of my intended uses for the Townie3, but towing a 14 1/2' canoe loaded with a cooler and fishing tackle 10 miles is not a problem. A task for which my road bike, for example, is all but useless.

If I had known what I was going to be using this bike for when I got it, I would have bought the Townie8.

When I first got this bike, my Dad, 70, test flew it and was so impressed he went out and got himself one. He got the rear rack on his and attached a milk crate on the top of the rack, and that's all he uses now, for errands around town. His full size pick/up stays home.:)

He says it really changes the dynamics of a bike when you put a 50 lb. sack of dog food on the rear rack.:D

Just to be clear, even though they call it "semi-recumbent" it bears little resemblance either in appearance or feel to a real recumbent. I rode one and it felt like my feet were directly beneath me, not out in front like the crank-forward design claims to be.

It's a really nice bike, but Electra bikes overall are really nice. I wish they had a Townie with Hawaiian print flowers and stuff like their other bikes. But I don't need any more bikes so what am I saying?

My wife has the Townie 24. We took a 22 mile ride last weekend, and we're planning a 60 mile trip to the beach for Labor Day. She has not complained about distances nor about comfort level after hours of riding. The pedaling efficiency is affected by your position -- i.e., you don't get as much power as you can out of a stroke -- and it has, essentially, mountain bike tires. Your position and the tires add to stability, so if that's one of your concerns, be assured this is a very stable bike.

The wife got it for commuting a short distance through moderate city traffic. She likes that she can put her feet down when she stops. And I'll add, if you go tooling around town just to browse at things, it's handy as hell to be able to stop and stand flat-footed. I don't know if I'd call it "semi-recumbent" either -- I just think of it as a motorcycle without the motor. It has that same feel -- and I'm talking about a cruiser motorcycle here, not a crotch rocket.

I'm not 100% sure what all the components are offhand, but I recall that they're comparable to those on my Trek 7200 FX -- another rugged commuting machine, but without the cushy ride of the Electra.

Also, if you're going to ride with others, be aware that unless you're a pack of Electras (or comparables), you're going to get dropped fast by roadies, hybrids, even mountain bikes. Even with the 24 speeds, the wife had a heck of a time up a steep hill last weekend. However, she looked the coolest of any of us :) ... with her two tone bell, compass, headlight, pannier rack.....

Overall, I'd recommend it as long as you know what you're getting into. And the accessories are expensive, e.g., the pannier rack. You might want to consider that too.

Trek makes a comparable bike called the "Sole" (I think), for which accessories might be a bit more affordable. That's something to look into -- I'm just guessing.

My wife has the Townie 24. We took a 22 mile ride last weekend, and we're planning a 60 mile trip to the beach for Labor Day. She has not complained about distances nor about comfort level after hours of riding. The pedaling efficiency is affected by your position -- i.e., you don't get as much power as you can out of a stroke -- and it has, essentially, mountain bike tires. Your position and the tires add to stability, so if that's one of your concerns, be assured this is a very stable bike.

Also, if you're going to ride with others, be aware that unless you're a pack of Electras (or comparables), you're going to get dropped fast by roadies, hybrids, even mountain bikes. Even with the 24 speeds, the wife had a heck of a time up a steep hill last weekend. However, she looked the coolest of any of us :) ... with her two tone bell, compass, headlight, pannier rack.....


If your wife would like to pep up her Townie a bit, she might try the modifications I have made to mine. A flat bar and some narrower high-pressure tires make a world of difference, and no sacrifice in comfort. When she climbs (even with the stock setup, but works best with the lower bar) have her lean back and then pedal. The technique is kind of like water-skiing and it lets you put some serious torque through the pedals. Hill climbing and acceleration will be much improved, I bet she leads the pack up the hills once she learns the technique.

Thanks for the tips WorldPax. I'm betting that she'll not give up the bars without a fight, but I could sneak some new tires on there one afternoon.... The water skiing comparison is helpful. We'll give it a try!

Cheers.

I just got through tweaking my wife's Townie 21 brakes last night, so I put in my 2 cents worth.

As others have said, you really have to hang on to put some torque to the pedals--to the point that you can't ride too much without really holding on tight. The stock components were mostly Sram, and of OK quality. The cable runs are very long for the rear brake and derailleur. I have replaced the RD cable with a Teflon-coated one because of cold-weather sticking, and the rear brake feels spongy no matter how close I adjust the pads--the v-brake arms seems to flex quite a bit. Also this bike is loooong--and it requires the use of a frame adapter to get it on most rear car racks.

My wife likes it because the riding position puts no weight on your hands. I have ridden it a few times and find it very tiring because of the torque issue. When we have ridden on a nearby very-flat path, my wife did just fine on a 24 mile ride. However, riding a bike in Atlanta means you will be riding up and down hills, and for this type of riding the Townie is not the best bike.

YMMV.

Thanks for the tips WorldPax. I'm betting that she'll not give up the bars without a fight, but I could sneak some new tires on there one afternoon.... The water skiing comparison is helpful. We'll give it a try!

Cheers.

Glad to help, as I have found these and other bikes of this type to be quite misunderstood. Granted they are marketed as a mature comfort bike, but they can be much more. Attached is a bit better pic that shows the bars more (and my new fenders :), the only thing I may change is to go with a bar that bends back towards the rider at the ends kind of like this
\_____/ but not quite that much. Less than 45 deg should be about right, but still with no rise. The tires I'm using are the Geax 1.25's (street runner I think) narrow, 100 psi, kevlar sidewalls and inexpensive, what's not to like.

Map Tester- Try not gripping so much, and just lean back into your extended arms, it's more of a posture thing than an effort thing. The only time you need to do this is when you are accelerating or climbing.

My boss' secretary recently bought a Townie to replace her ancient 3-spd. Schwinn. She likes it because "it's an old-fashioned bike with modern technology." Her commute is a flat 3 miles. Perfect for her.

As others have said, you really have to hang on to put some torque to the pedals--to the point that you can't ride too much without really holding on tight........

This is true, but you can just stand and pedal. Not many hills around here (Wakulla County is about as flat as the top of your desk), but lots of unpaved sand roads.:)

I live in a fairly flat area, and my Townie 21 does me fine. I have illnesses and injuries, and I just can't ride any other bike. A recumbent would be my only other choice, and most are outside my budget, and they're not the most convenient for everyday use. Maybe a Day6 Dream? Not yet sold here in New Zealand. I'm getting a Cloud 9 seat and a Thudbuster suspension seat post, just to clear up two minor comfort issues. Anything more than an hour or so of riding and I might not get home, so the Townie gives me all the speed I need. I am happy with my choice of ride.

Geometry.

Most bicycles have a 70 degree seat tube angle. But when I was a kid,I had a bike with a banana seat which you could slide back on. Thus, I got used to leg extension, while maintaining a low center of gravity.

When I was 12 years old, I sought a bike with a banana seat, but larger than the 20" wheel bike I had.

I joined the International Human Powered Vehicle Association http://www.ihpva.org
back in 1985 or '86. at that time, there were only 2000 recumbent bikes in America.

Being an Engineering student, I wanted to build a machine to patent and make a profit selling.

I did not want to build a true recumbent, which has a seat tube angle of zero degrees.

All I wanted was a bike with 26 inch wheels and a banana seat. But I also asked for the "impossible".
I had to have a fiberglass cargo box on the front of the bike, not attached to the handlebars, but attached to the frame, to carry 100 pound loads. And said box must be aerodynamic.

So, in 1991, my 6th cousin Mellisa asked me to adopt her. Good, I was in the Navy and needed someone to run my bike business while I was overseas. She invented the Fiberglass Ladies Bicycle.
Here is a picture:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/hotbike/00000023-1.jpg
As you can see, the seat slides back so the rider has a choice of position, like a banana seat.
The cargo box is based on the roof spoiler of a diesel truck. Good crash protection! I should point out that fairings (motorcycle windshields) are mainly for protection of the rider, and aerodynamics is a second consideration.
There is a synergistic effect between the heavy box and the seat position. If you had a box like that , and you couldn't move back, there would be a tendency to flip you over the handlebars.

$270.00 went into this bike, and so many kids were begging for me to sell it, I had to say $3,000.00 Or Best Offer. I actually recieved $1,215.00 for this bike. ( A guy bought it for his girlfriend). If I had commercial/industrial real estate, I'd put this bike into production.

The secret is out: People Want a Bicycle seat that is further back, and they can ride confidently without feeling like they are going to fly over the handlebars.

The bike pictured is type 9, there were some other attempts previous to this one. This bike is a "blivet" which means it is ten pounds of s _ _ _ stuffed into a five pound bag. One example is the aerodynamic fairing and cargo box, being the same piece of fiberglass. It's too much at one time. I should've built a plain box, without aerodynamics, OR , I should have built a windshield (fairing) without any cargo space inside.
A bike company only needs ONE improvement over existing bicycles. That can be their main selling point.
In this case Electra http://www.electrabikes.com
has a bike that will not send the rider flying over the handlebars. One idiot threatened to sic the Federal Trade Commission on Electra, claiming Electra is a monopoly. But Electra is only a small bicycle company, no where like a monopoly. ( that was a stupid thread from a month + ago.)

The main advantage of the Townie Geometry is that the rider feels safer; the bike will not flip the rider over the handlebars, and the rider can put the HEELS of both feet on the ground when making a stop.

Geometry.

Most bicycles have a 70 degree seat tube angle. But when I was a kid,I had a bike with a banana seat which you could slide back on. Thus, I got used to leg extension, while maintaining a low center of gravity.

When I was 12 years old, I sought a bike with a banana seat, but larger than the 20" wheel bike I had.

I joined the International Human Powered Vehicle Association http://www.ihpva.org
back in 1985 or '86. at that time, there were only 2000 recumbent bikes in America.

Being an Engineering student, I wanted to build a machine to patent and make a profit selling.

I did not want to build a true recumbent, which has a seat tube angle of zero degrees.

All I wanted was a bike with 26 inch wheels and a banana seat. But I also asked for the "impossible".
I had to have a fiberglass cargo box on the front of the bike, not attached to the handlebars, but attached to the frame, to carry 100 pound loads. And said box must be aerodynamic.

So, in 1991, my 6th cousin Mellisa asked me to adopt her. Good, I was in the Navy and needed someone to run my bike business while I was overseas. She invented the Fiberglass Ladies Bicycle.
Here is a picture:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/hotbike/00000023-1.jpg
As you can see, the seat slides back so the rider has a choice of position, like a banana seat.
The cargo box is based on the roof spoiler of a diesel truck. Good crash protection! I should point out that fairings (motorcycle windshields) are mainly for protection of the rider, and aerodynamics is a second consideration.
There is a synergistic effect between the heavy box and the seat position. If you had a box like that , and you couldn't move back, there would be a tendency to flip you over the handlebars.

$270.00 went into this bike, and so many kids were begging for me to sell it, I had to say $3,000.00 Or Best Offer. I actually recieved $1,215.00 for this bike. ( A guy bought it for his girlfriend). If I had commercial/industrial real estate, I'd put this bike into production.

The secret is out: People Want a Bicycle seat that is further back, and they can ride confidently without feeling like they are going to fly over the handlebars.

The bike pictured is type 9, there were some other attempts previous to this one. This bike is a "blivet" which means it is ten pounds of s _ _ _ stuffed into a five pound bag. One example is the aerodynamic fairing and cargo box, being the same piece of fiberglass. It's too much at one time. I should've built a plain box, without aerodynamics, OR , I should have built a windshield (fairing) without any cargo space inside.
A bike company only needs ONE improvement over existing bicycles. That can be their main selling point.
In this case Electra http://www.electrabikes.com
has a bike that will not send the rider flying over the handlebars. One idiot threatened to sic the Federal Trade Commission on Electra, claiming Electra is a monopoly. But Electra is only a small bicycle company, no where like a monopoly. ( that was a stupid thread from a month + ago.)

The main advantage of the Townie Geometry is that the rider feels safer; the bike will not flip the rider over the handlebars, and the rider can put the HEELS of both feet on the ground when making a stop.

I fondly remember my schwinn "sting ray" type of bicycle... I actually was thinking about trying to build an
"adult" version that was lighter but still had that banana seat which was very comfy when I was a kid...

I rode one 8 miles yesterday. My in-laws have a pair of townies, It'sa cruiser bike. No mistake. There isn't much point in trying to go faster when you hit townie terminal velocity. But it is comfortable if you don't mind the chafing from the too wide for me seat.

The quality is sufficient for a cruiser, but I don't think it'll hold up to 25 miles a day commuting without an excessive amount of maintenance.

The quality is sufficient for a cruiser, but I don't think it'll hold up to 25 miles a day commuting without an excessive amount of maintenance.

I rode one daily for a year on my commute. The drivetrain is no different than Trek, Specialized or anybody else uses on comparably priced bikes. Maintenance would not be any more than others bikes.

But I agree 25 miles a day would be alot and very back jarring.

I rode one 8 miles yesterday. My in-laws have a pair of townies, It'sa cruiser bike. No mistake. There isn't much point in trying to go faster when you hit townie terminal velocity. But it is comfortable if you don't mind the chafing from the too wide for me seat.

The quality is sufficient for a cruiser, but I don't think it'll hold up to 25 miles a day commuting without an excessive amount of maintenance.

I solved the wide seat problem on my Townie by changing to a Brooks saddle.

My commute is only 6 miles but on weekends I commonly go on ~20 mile rides. No maintenance issues, in the first year, anyhow.

I was surprised to see this thread pop up again, but anyway I eventually bought the Townie last spring. I bought the Townie 8 which comes with the internal hub and fenders. My commute is 10 miles, small rolling hills. I have two other bikes so I don't ride it everyday.
The good:
-The bike is very comfortable for less than 10 miles
-I can wear any type of clothes, or shoes.
- Perfect utility bike with a rack (unless your carrying so much that you need a front rack too)

The not so good. (Depending on how you look at it)
-It is a slower ride (Im not out to win any races anyway)
-Not as agile as other bikes. I wouldn't consider jumping curbs and all, but with fat tires theres no need.

When I first got the bike I had problems with the rear fender. The screw came out and it was trapped in between the tire and fender. A little loctite solved the problem. I still ride my trek 7.2fx the most, but thats partly because it has the lights on it. Also most of the time I do like to go somewhat faster than what I can do on the townie. My farthest ride on the townie has been about 20 miles, and at that point the seat was not so comfortable anymore, but it does not chaff me. All in all its a good bike for those quick trips to the store, or places wear I want to wear regular clothes and not have to change.

Just another note, I have a puegeot with clipless pedals, but i only ride it for recreation or to commute because when i go to the store, i dont like walking in cleats, and i dont want to bring a change of shoes.

I have the townie and found that putting a set of chopper-style handlebars on it made it both more fun and easier to ride.

I was in REI yesterday, and I looked at the Electra Townie. It looks really good, I was impressed. I wanted to know if anyone out there owns it. Most of my trips right now are under six miles, to the library, grocery store, and such. I don't really care about speed so much, so its ok if its a little slower. They say this bike has "flat foot technology" where you can put both feet on the ground at lights and such. I don't have a problem starting or stopping now, I use clips and straps, but sometimes I try to come to rolling stops so I don't have to pull either foot out. Anyway I'm just imagining riding the townie with a messenger bag in regular clothes and jumping off to my destination. It will be a little while before I can get it though, right now I have no space... What do you guys think about the townie, and why is it that they don't seem to be hugely popular, or is it just me?

Haven't read all the other replies, but we own one. By we, I mean my wife. And I've ridden it a bit.

It's slow but comfortable and fun. My wife got the Townie 3S model. It has a chain guard, a nexus 3-speed internally-geared hub and front suspension. The front suspension is somewhat ridiculous, but it does smooth out the bumps that the front fork would otherwise pass off to your hands. The internal hub is nice for relatively flat areas. The lowest gear isn't low enough for a leisurely rider to tackle steep grades, and the highest gear isn't high enough to obtain high speeds. Pushing it pretty hard, you'd be unlikely to get to 25 MPH.

For comfort and just having a nice ride, though, it's an excellent bike. If you're not much for being in a hurry, not much for climbing hills, and just want to get around town to run errands and whatnot, it's a great bike. Even if you have a long way to ride, it's fine as long as you aren't hurried.

The bike itself IS HEAVY. It's at least as heavy as my steel mountain bike. Part of this might be the front suspension. I'm sure a Townie without front suspension would be a few pounds lighter. If you don't have to carry your bike up or down any stairs regularly, this isn't even an issue. I personally don't mind lugging a bike up and down stairs, but it gets on some peoples' nerves.

It has braze-ons on the back for a rack, and my wife picked up a rack and a trunk bag to go with it. The rack itself was from Electra specifically for the Townie and I don't know if generic mountain bike racks will work on it. The pedal-forward design is nice because there's absolutely NO chance you'll hit your feet on the panniers if you decide to go that route.

All in all, it's a good, solid bike. For my 30 mile hilly round trip, it wouldn't be practical. For my wife's fun rides on paved paths and running short errands, it works great.

... unfortunatley right now I live in an apartment with two toilets, but no space for two bikes...

Sounds like an apartment with one toilet and one bike storage room...:p The townie should fit fine in there..:)

Sounds like an apartment with one toilet and one bike storage room...:p The townie should fit fine in there..:)

:roflmao: Eventually I learned that the living room holds three bikes and all spare equipment quite nicely.

I didn't like it. Test drove on three separate occasions. Heavy, the seating was not comfortable... I like to stand up when I ride to gain speed or for anyo ther reason. I can not stand and ride on this bicycle.
I love the Amsterdam though. The pricing is ridiculous. I suspect the pricing will move higher which is good for those that jump on the bandwagon as demand increases. Or like most fads the demand will decrease and the price will deflate.
Unfortunately, I am getting the feeling the Electra models are more fad/fashion...kinda like carrying the "teacup dog" phenomenon. I haven't seen anyone in my neck (S. Florida) riding one for commuting purposes. I have seen the Electra(Townies) at ice cream shops, the mall, South Beach etc. more recreational Sunday stroll kinda thing. Wealthy or pseudo wealthy want to own one because they heard everyone who is anyone is getting one. Kinda like reading the book "The Secret". Perception is everything in America. It's sad.

I am guilty too. I really wanted to do the whole beater look. I really vibe with riding a beater like in China or Japan and spending $50.00 on my bike and riding it until the wheels fall off.

Realistically, I found I was too tall and too Type A to ride a beater. I am going to have to spend money.

A lot of shops are getting the beater Schwinn's oiling the brakes and reselling them for $150.00-$200. They are making a mint literally "flipping" old bikes.

........

And of course bikes like either of these can be built up from any old frame. I built up a Schwinn cruiser from Craigslist for $50 and it rides great. Old mountain bike frames can easily be outfitted for town trips cheaper than a new Townie. My opinions, YMMV.

even though I have never ridden one, but looking at the pictures in ads, I have to disagree with you.
you are missing a serious point here.
it is clear that the bottom bracket is slightly more forward positioned.
like rans zenetik, they are called "crank forward" geometry?
consequently, the overall length increases? right?

I admire the design, and seriously think that these bike suits old people, women, and those in stop and go traffic, who have problem with balance, so the security feel to put both feet on the ground is definitely a plus point.

I solved the wide seat problem on my Townie by changing to a Brooks saddle.

My commute is only 6 miles but on weekends I commonly go on ~20 mile rides. No maintenance issues, in the first year, anyhow.

I'm not sure how the seat could be "too wide," but that may be because my own seat is a tad wide ;) I had alot of trouble (if I may overshare) with bruising with a standard width seat (you would think my personal padding would help, but no) and that's what made me give up riding the last time I tried. I literally could not sit down after a 1 mile ride, and standing up to pedal didn't help. I love my Townie most of all because I don't feel as if I have been assaulted while riding it. That said, I still need a little bit of padding or a change in the angle for maximum comfort.

A 5'2'' I really appreciate being able to put my feet on the ground. Those of you tall folks are used to being up high, but I do feel like I'm going to fall, even though I've never fallen off a bike. I also like that I can sit up straight, and that my bum isn't flying around in the air to get honked at while I'm hunched over pedaling. The hunched position also made my hands and knees hurt, and I've had none of that with the Townie.

As for it being a "rich person fad," I'm broke and going to college on the VA's dime. I bought mine to save money, and plan to sell my car ASAP to recover the cost. Don't be jealous because your bike isn't cute :p

Geometry.

Most bicycles have a 70 degree seat tube angle. But when I was a kid,I had a bike with a banana seat which you could slide back on. Thus, I got used to leg extension, while maintaining a low center of gravity.

When I was 12 years old, I sought a bike with a banana seat, but larger than the 20" wheel bike I had.

I joined the International Human Powered Vehicle Association http://www.ihpva.org
back in 1985 or '86. at that time, there were only 2000 recumbent bikes in America.

Being an Engineering student, I wanted to build a machine to patent and make a profit selling.

I did not want to build a true recumbent, which has a seat tube angle of zero degrees.

All I wanted was a bike with 26 inch wheels and a banana seat. But I also asked for the "impossible".
I had to have a fiberglass cargo box on the front of the bike, not attached to the handlebars, but attached to the frame, to carry 100 pound loads. And said box must be aerodynamic.

So, in 1991, my 6th cousin Mellisa asked me to adopt her. Good, I was in the Navy and needed someone to run my bike business while I was overseas. She invented the Fiberglass Ladies Bicycle.
Here is a picture:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/hotbike/00000023-1.jpg
As you can see, the seat slides back so the rider has a choice of position, like a banana seat.
The cargo box is based on the roof spoiler of a diesel truck. Good crash protection! I should point out that fairings (motorcycle windshields) are mainly for protection of the rider, and aerodynamics is a second consideration.
There is a synergistic effect between the heavy box and the seat position. If you had a box like that , and you couldn't move back, there would be a tendency to flip you over the handlebars.

$270.00 went into this bike, and so many kids were begging for me to sell it, I had to say $3,000.00 Or Best Offer. I actually recieved $1,215.00 for this bike. ( A guy bought it for his girlfriend). If I had commercial/industrial real estate, I'd put this bike into production.

The secret is out: People Want a Bicycle seat that is further back, and they can ride confidently without feeling like they are going to fly over the handlebars.

The bike pictured is type 9, there were some other attempts previous to this one. This bike is a "blivet" which means it is ten pounds of s _ _ _ stuffed into a five pound bag. One example is the aerodynamic fairing and cargo box, being the same piece of fiberglass. It's too much at one time. I should've built a plain box, without aerodynamics, OR , I should have built a windshield (fairing) without any cargo space inside.
A bike company only needs ONE improvement over existing bicycles. That can be their main selling point.
In this case Electra http://www.electrabikes.com
has a bike that will not send the rider flying over the handlebars. One idiot threatened to sic the Federal Trade Commission on Electra, claiming Electra is a monopoly. But Electra is only a small bicycle company, no where like a monopoly. ( that was a stupid thread from a month + ago.)

The main advantage of the Townie Geometry is that the rider feels safer; the bike will not flip the rider over the handlebars, and the rider can put the HEELS of both feet on the ground when making a stop.

this is oddly familar......could it have been posted before either in part or in it's whole? It has taken me a while to realize this but hotbike is brilliant....in a very subtle way.

Could be you saw it when this post was started in 2006.

I thought I'd let others know how I got on setting up my Townie. Basically I'm a semi cripple, with old injuries, operation scars and current illness all restricting me to low distance and speed riding.

I bought a Cloud 9 seat (14" wide, with no seat horn) and a Thudbuster, which fortunately had the mounting paraphernalia to allow me to mount the Cloud 9.

First, the Thudbuster arrived with the wrong elastomers installed, so I had to change them, which was difficult, and because they supplied no lubricant, the whole shebang squeaks like a mad mouse while riding. The Cloud 9 removes the stability provided by a seat horn, so it takes a period of adjustment to acclimatize to slippin' and slidin' a bit at first. Don't go rough ridin' with this seat.

The combined effect? It's not luxury. There's not much padding on the seat, but it's the right shape. I could now ride for up to an hour and a half - my previous limit was 45 minutes before real pain set in with the standard seat. The Thudbuster took care of the back ache that set in on road transitions and crossing curbs and suchlike. The upright riding position does send bumps straight up the spine, just the same as custom or cruiser motorcycles. This is the cost of keeping weight off your hands, and therefore reducing arm/wrist fatigue.

For a long while, this combination allowed me to get fitter and reduce a bit of weight, until I got a bad case of 'flu. Waiting for three weeks to resume riding, I overdid it trying to keep pace with a fit jogger, and ended up straining my chest muscles and sustaining a bout of pleurisy. I live in a cold house, and was trying to same money on the power bills (but I did end up getting a $500 refund...), and I guess my body just can't handle it.

I'm being very careful over winter, still using the car for shopping, but I hope to make short rides on fine days until spring arrives. I still think the Townie is the only choice for me.

Some people have Xtrafied their Townie. A CF bike makes a very capable grocery shopper with the right set up. I find I hardly need to drive to the store any more for groceries. I own a Rans Dynamik with an RAC and panniers. I can now ferry stuff home without fear of losing it on the road.

Would that be the new Electra 'ZOMBIE' model??? :crash: