Road Cycling - choice - michelin vs. vreds

Need your help on a tire decision. I put about 1k miles a year on my race bike (ultegra based). I do other miles commuting on another bike. The race bike came stock with Michelin Axial Pros (23c), I got 2 seasons, 2k miles. Only 1 flat, roofing nail. I have narrowed my choices down to Michelin Pro Race or Vredestein Fortezza Road (not the tricomp). Both are close in price at BikeTiresDirect ($35 and $30). So price is not an issue. I pump the tires before most rides with my trusty Silca. I would keep the Michelins at 110-115 psi and the Vreds at 120-130 psi. The Michelins are 220g and the Vreds 245g. I am leaning towards the Vreds. There are a lot of good reviews about those tires and it is something different. Any recommendations ?

me and my friends have not had good luck with vreds. go with the mich's you can't go wrong with them,

Mich's with ultra lite tubes

Wishbon7 / Shokhead - Thanks for the advise. I knew it would take a while to find someone who could answer this question because my it was so specific. In the back of my mind, I knew the Michelins were the better choice, new design and technology. I am going with the Michelins. I guess the 145 max psi on the Vreds was tempting. I think the Michelins have a max 110 psi. Shok, you mentioned ultralight tubes. Bummer, I just bought 2 new tubes (Continental 700 Race). They weigh 100g. Looks like Continental also has a 700 Race Light that weighs 70g and a Race Light Latex at 80g. Do you think it is worth it to return the 100g tubes for the 70g ? I think the first two are butyl. I have heard Latex tubes are not as reliable.

Marnan... Between your choices I'd choose the Michelins...and if just road training, I'd suggest a slightly tougher tube, in the 25c range.

I've been riding Continental GP3000's... since my bike was new. I originally used lite race tubes while training, but with all the ugly road conditions around me and to 3 pinch flats, I quickly upgraded to a 700x23/25c, 27x1 tube and haven't had a flat since.:beer:

return them or keep as spares.I keep max psi so never had a pinch flat,never had a flat at all.You know,60-80g,thats oly like 3ounces vs reg tubes for peace of mind so to speak.Your choice.

I use the Fortezza tires at 145 psi and ultra light tubes and have no more flats than any thing else I have used! I also love the way these tires ride and find it hard to beleive that I am riding on 145 psi!
I don't know if it makes any difference but I weigh 230lbs and almost always ride on 2 lane country roads. I haven't a complaint about this tire.