effectivepull
the spinergy stealths are cheaper, zipps look better. which set should i get? i want only one wheel set for training and racing. i'll be doing mostly triathlons.
any thoughts would help!
thanks!
any thoughts would help!
thanks!
Spinergy Stealth or Zipp 404?
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cslone
Spinergy Stealths and then take the money you saved and buy a $150 pair of Open Pro's for training. I wouldn't recommend deep carbon wheels for everyday training.
effectivepull
why wouldn't you recommend a deep dish carbon wheel for training?
who makes the open pros?
i have a pair of mavic ksyruim ssc's (i believe) that i can use for training.
who makes the open pros?
i have a pair of mavic ksyruim ssc's (i believe) that i can use for training.
chrisesposito
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Talewinds
why wouldn't you recommend a deep dish carbon wheel for training?
who makes the open pros?
i have a pair of mavic ksyruim ssc's (i believe) that i can use for training.
Zipps and other full carbon wheels can be damaged more easlily than standard aluminum rims, especially during the rigors of your weekly training routine. Potholes, cracks, and other road hazards.... I'd rather screw up a $50 alum rim than an $800 Zipp during training.
Also, train on heavier, non-aero wheels and save the superlight aero wheels for racing when you can feel the advantage of dropping some weight and gaining aerodynamics, you'll go just a bit faster.
who makes the open pros?
i have a pair of mavic ksyruim ssc's (i believe) that i can use for training.
Zipps and other full carbon wheels can be damaged more easlily than standard aluminum rims, especially during the rigors of your weekly training routine. Potholes, cracks, and other road hazards.... I'd rather screw up a $50 alum rim than an $800 Zipp during training.
Also, train on heavier, non-aero wheels and save the superlight aero wheels for racing when you can feel the advantage of dropping some weight and gaining aerodynamics, you'll go just a bit faster.
cslone
why wouldn't you recommend a deep dish carbon wheel for training?
who makes the open pros?
i have a pair of mavic ksyruim ssc's (i believe) that i can use for training.
Sorry for the late reply.
Mavic makes the OP's and Talewinds summed it up nicely. The SSC's you have are generally regarded as durable and would be okay training wheels too, but it is typical that a higher spoke count wheel is more sturdy for everyday riding. I personally use the SSC's quite often if I don't feel like switching to the 32 spokers.
who makes the open pros?
i have a pair of mavic ksyruim ssc's (i believe) that i can use for training.
Sorry for the late reply.
Mavic makes the OP's and Talewinds summed it up nicely. The SSC's you have are generally regarded as durable and would be okay training wheels too, but it is typical that a higher spoke count wheel is more sturdy for everyday riding. I personally use the SSC's quite often if I don't feel like switching to the 32 spokers.
strukljv
I had the same dilema a month or 2 ago. I talked to the owner of the bike shop I get all my stuff from and he seemed to think that spinergy wheels weren't worth the money. He recomended the zipp 404's because they were lighter, sturdier (sp?) and faster. Another thing he mentioned was that if you're going to get a set of aero wheels they have to be tubular since clincher wheels add a aluminum rim on the outside, adding weight and therefore taking away from the benefit of the carbon rim. If you want a nice set of carbon wheels but don't want to spend an arm and a leg I'd recomend checking out the FSA-RD488's. Let me know what wheels you get and how you like them because I still haven't been able to make my mind up. :)
P.S. - Everyone, please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, I'm just going off of what I was told and have read.
P.S. - Everyone, please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, I'm just going off of what I was told and have read.
onetimepad
One other thing...One of my club guys bought some of Ebay (Spynergy) and they were slightly out of round and it appears, there is no way to fix it. The 404's are able to be trued up. I use the 404's (race only) and LOVE them
merlinextraligh
I had the same dilema a month or 2 ago. I talked to the owner of the bike shop I get all my stuff from and he seemed to think that spinergy wheels weren't worth the money. He recomended the zipp 404's because they were lighter, sturdier (sp?) and faster. Another thing he mentioned was that if you're going to get a set of aero wheels they have to be tubular since clincher wheels add a aluminum rim on the outside, adding weight and therefore taking away from the benefit of the carbon rim. If you want a nice set of carbon wheels but don't want to spend an arm and a leg I'd recomend checking out the FSA-RD488's. Let me know what wheels you get and how you like them because I still haven't been able to make my mind up. :)
P.S. - Everyone, please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, I'm just going off of what I was told and have read.
I ride Zipp 404 clinchers to race and train. 2 plus years, and no problems. The clinchers with the aluminum rim is heavier than all carbon tubulars, but still light enough, and clinchers actually have lower rolling resistence. In fact clincher Zipp 404's are lighter, and more aero than Spinergy Stealths. And unless you're doing a very hilly race, traithlon is much more about aero, than weight, anyway.
P.S. - Everyone, please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, I'm just going off of what I was told and have read.
I ride Zipp 404 clinchers to race and train. 2 plus years, and no problems. The clinchers with the aluminum rim is heavier than all carbon tubulars, but still light enough, and clinchers actually have lower rolling resistence. In fact clincher Zipp 404's are lighter, and more aero than Spinergy Stealths. And unless you're doing a very hilly race, traithlon is much more about aero, than weight, anyway.
effectivepull
i demo'ed a pair of synergy carbon pbo for the livestrong century ride in orange county this past weekend. my "every day" wheel is the mavic ssl. i honestly didn't think wheels would make that much of a difference, but the damn wheels were silky SMOOTH - the spokes seem to absorb quite a bit of road shock but still seem very rigid laterally. on downhills i put myself in aero position and passed a few people pedaling. my top speed was just under 44 mph (coasting) - not super fast, but fast enough for me. the fastest i've every gotten my bike w/ the mavics was a shade under 40 mph (granted i wasn't on the same hill).
although i haven't ridden the zipps yet, i cannot imagine them being smoother - although they may be faster in terms of aerodynamics - i'm not really sure.... but for what it's worth, i'm gonna get the spinergies and pass on the zipps.
one more thing, since i got clinchers, they are a bit heavier, but since they have an aluminim outer rim, i think they can be good everyday wheels - unlike the tubular version of the zipps...
i'm definitely not a bike techie guy, i just slap in on and ride (same thing on mountain bikes - i'm not one to tool around w/ air pumps and different types of oils, etc.
although i haven't ridden the zipps yet, i cannot imagine them being smoother - although they may be faster in terms of aerodynamics - i'm not really sure.... but for what it's worth, i'm gonna get the spinergies and pass on the zipps.
one more thing, since i got clinchers, they are a bit heavier, but since they have an aluminim outer rim, i think they can be good everyday wheels - unlike the tubular version of the zipps...
i'm definitely not a bike techie guy, i just slap in on and ride (same thing on mountain bikes - i'm not one to tool around w/ air pumps and different types of oils, etc.
^*^BATMAN^*^
Well there are some odd thoughts comming out here.
A)Having tubular wheels vs. clincher
. Another thing he mentioned was that if you're going to get a set of aero wheels they have to be tubular since clincher wheels add a aluminum rim on the outside, adding weight and therefore taking away from the benefit of the carbon rim.
Weight is dependent on were it is. With the weight being at the outside of the rim, it is a good weight for things like TT and triathlon. It will help you keep your speed up once you get there. Its the basic priciple of physics, "an object in motion tends to stay in motion", the weight on the outside of the wheel will help the wheel keep its speed, thus easier for you to hold a speed.
B)Rolling resistance.
The clinchers with the aluminum rim is heavier than all carbon tubulars, but still light enough, and clinchers actually have lower rolling resistence.
Rolling resistance is largley determined by a variety of factors, none of which is based on a wheelset being tubluar or clincher. things that affect rolling resitance are;
-Tire
-Air pressure in tire
-Surface type
Thats really all I can think of this early in the morning.
A)Having tubular wheels vs. clincher
. Another thing he mentioned was that if you're going to get a set of aero wheels they have to be tubular since clincher wheels add a aluminum rim on the outside, adding weight and therefore taking away from the benefit of the carbon rim.
Weight is dependent on were it is. With the weight being at the outside of the rim, it is a good weight for things like TT and triathlon. It will help you keep your speed up once you get there. Its the basic priciple of physics, "an object in motion tends to stay in motion", the weight on the outside of the wheel will help the wheel keep its speed, thus easier for you to hold a speed.
B)Rolling resistance.
The clinchers with the aluminum rim is heavier than all carbon tubulars, but still light enough, and clinchers actually have lower rolling resistence.
Rolling resistance is largley determined by a variety of factors, none of which is based on a wheelset being tubluar or clincher. things that affect rolling resitance are;
-Tire
-Air pressure in tire
-Surface type
Thats really all I can think of this early in the morning.
strukljv
Thanks for the corrections. The idea of the aluminum outer rim making the rim heavier made sense, but I didn't think of it in terms of what would be most beneficial for someone doing a time trial. I'm a physics major so stuff like that is interesting to me. Thanks again.
merlinextraligh
B)Rolling resistance.
Rolling resistance is largley determined by a variety of factors, none of which is based on a wheelset being tubluar or clincher. things that affect rolling resitance are;
-Tire
-Air pressure in tire
-Surface type
Thats really all I can think of this early in the morning.
We've been through this in another thread, so I won't bother run down all the links, but according to Analytic cycling, and the test data of Jobst Brandt, high quality clinchers have lower rollinresistence than tubulars. And if the tubular isn't glued on perfectly straight , the rolling resistence differnece can be even bigger. See: http://analyticcycling.com/ForcesTires_Page.html
In fact some pro tour teams are using clinchers because of lowe rolling resistence. There's a Velonews article on line with an interview with Guersteiliner's DS about this.
Rolling resistance is largley determined by a variety of factors, none of which is based on a wheelset being tubluar or clincher. things that affect rolling resitance are;
-Tire
-Air pressure in tire
-Surface type
Thats really all I can think of this early in the morning.
We've been through this in another thread, so I won't bother run down all the links, but according to Analytic cycling, and the test data of Jobst Brandt, high quality clinchers have lower rollinresistence than tubulars. And if the tubular isn't glued on perfectly straight , the rolling resistence differnece can be even bigger. See: http://analyticcycling.com/ForcesTires_Page.html
In fact some pro tour teams are using clinchers because of lowe rolling resistence. There's a Velonews article on line with an interview with Guersteiliner's DS about this.
asgelle
Thanks for the corrections. The idea of the aluminum outer rim making the rim heavier made sense, but I didn't think of it in terms of what would be most beneficial for someone doing a time trial. I'm a physics major so stuff like that is interesting to me. Thanks again.
Then you should think about the magnitude of effects not just their direction. Moment of inertia effects (i.e. rotating weight) are an order of magnitude less than pure mass effects http://www.biketechreview.com/archive/wheel_theory.htm . So any discussion of whether weight at the rim helps or hurts should be tempered by the fact that this will only be a small correction to the much larger effect of added mass which in turn must be compared to other factors such as aerodynamics (usually much greater) and rolling resistance (usually much smaller).
Then you should think about the magnitude of effects not just their direction. Moment of inertia effects (i.e. rotating weight) are an order of magnitude less than pure mass effects http://www.biketechreview.com/archive/wheel_theory.htm . So any discussion of whether weight at the rim helps or hurts should be tempered by the fact that this will only be a small correction to the much larger effect of added mass which in turn must be compared to other factors such as aerodynamics (usually much greater) and rolling resistance (usually much smaller).
strukljv
Those 2 articles were great! I enjoyed reading them. It sort of makes the decision of getting new wheels even harder. I currently have a Shimano R550 set on my Cervelo Dual (stock wheelset) and was considering a set of Spinergy's until my friend told me about the FSA RD-488's. BTW, congrats on your new wheels and new top speed effectivepull.
evanatorx
From personal prefferance...i'd go with the spinergy wheels...
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