Panic
07-27-06, 10:43 AM
Well if you give the win to Sastre, you better make sure you test him a few more times.
You know they all dope, they just don't all get caught.
You know they all dope, they just don't all get caught.
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EURO
07-27-06, 11:31 AM
Why, as you said, if they all dope?
Because all they have is the tests.
Because all they have is the tests.
chuongdoan
07-27-06, 11:39 AM
Because all they have is the tests.
You guys should just quit replying to this knucklehead.
He obviously has no good friends or support or else he wouldn't be seeking attention this way on an internet message board.
Its one thing to be against criminal behavior. Its another to smear a person like that and let it be a source of your own pleasure. In my opinion, that does not make you a better person than someone who cheats in a bike race.
You guys should just quit replying to this knucklehead.
He obviously has no good friends or support or else he wouldn't be seeking attention this way on an internet message board.
Its one thing to be against criminal behavior. Its another to smear a person like that and let it be a source of your own pleasure. In my opinion, that does not make you a better person than someone who cheats in a bike race.
McSpin
07-27-06, 11:56 AM
Euro, you should be pissed because 180+ tour riders got away with it. Happy because they managed to catch one? You should be pissed that their testing procedures are so poor. "They all are dopers", and we only catch a small percentage of them. Pereiro dopes, Sastre dopes along with all the rest, and they get away with it.
There is no joy seeing the sport falling apart and the controlling agencies so inept. If doping is the only way you can win in today's TDF, then it's no wonder the riders take the risk. Most are able to get away with it. Because of this, it all but forces riders to dope. Why compete if you have no chance to do well, much less win? I would never be happy to see one of the riders caught, no matter who it is. In fact, I will continue to be peeved at controlling agencies that are anything but in control. They need to either figure out how to reliably dectect the dopers every time they use it, or turn a blind eye to everyone. The way it is now, is purely stupid.
There is no joy seeing the sport falling apart and the controlling agencies so inept. If doping is the only way you can win in today's TDF, then it's no wonder the riders take the risk. Most are able to get away with it. Because of this, it all but forces riders to dope. Why compete if you have no chance to do well, much less win? I would never be happy to see one of the riders caught, no matter who it is. In fact, I will continue to be peeved at controlling agencies that are anything but in control. They need to either figure out how to reliably dectect the dopers every time they use it, or turn a blind eye to everyone. The way it is now, is purely stupid.
ElJamoquio
07-27-06, 12:24 PM
Sure you can - you just ignore Landis and give the other guy the win.
Fine, you can give the other guy the win.
Would he have won if Landis wasn't in the tour?
You play the game differently based on how far back you are. I know you realize that.
Fine, you can give the other guy the win.
Would he have won if Landis wasn't in the tour?
You play the game differently based on how far back you are. I know you realize that.
ElJamoquio
07-27-06, 12:28 PM
They need to either figure out how to reliably dectect the dopers every time they use it...
Easier said than done. I'm actually really suprised they're able to detect EPO nowadays - I never thought they would be able to.
Easier said than done. I'm actually really suprised they're able to detect EPO nowadays - I never thought they would be able to.
EURO
07-27-06, 01:25 PM
Euro, you should be pissed because 180+ tour riders got away with it. Happy because they managed to catch one? You should be pissed that their testing procedures are so poor. "They all are dopers", and we only catch a small percentage of them. Pereiro dopes, Sastre dopes along with all the rest, and they get away with it.
Again - I'll make the comparison with crime. Yes, it sucks that people commit murder. That does not stop it being GREAT NEWS when they put a murderer behind bars.
There is no joy seeing the sport falling apart and the controlling agencies so inept.
The sport wil not fall apart. They have always been inept.
If doping is the only way you can win in today's TDF, then it's no wonder the riders take the risk.
Doping has been the only way to win the tdf since 1903.
I would never be happy to see one of the riders caught, no matter who it is. In fact, I will continue to be peeved at controlling agencies that are anything but in control.
It's an arms race, and impossible battle. Just enjoy the sport and have agood laugh when guys get caught. It's what I've been doing for 20 years.
Again - I'll make the comparison with crime. Yes, it sucks that people commit murder. That does not stop it being GREAT NEWS when they put a murderer behind bars.
There is no joy seeing the sport falling apart and the controlling agencies so inept.
The sport wil not fall apart. They have always been inept.
If doping is the only way you can win in today's TDF, then it's no wonder the riders take the risk.
Doping has been the only way to win the tdf since 1903.
I would never be happy to see one of the riders caught, no matter who it is. In fact, I will continue to be peeved at controlling agencies that are anything but in control.
It's an arms race, and impossible battle. Just enjoy the sport and have agood laugh when guys get caught. It's what I've been doing for 20 years.
McSpin
07-27-06, 02:43 PM
Again - I'll make the comparison with crime. Yes, it sucks that people commit murder. That does not stop it being GREAT NEWS when they put a murderer behind bars.
Sorry, but that is simply a terrible analogy. The two scenerios aren't even in the same universe. When we talk about athletes taking performance enhancing drugs, we aren't discussing people who are physically harming others, much less killing them. Try to come up with a similar analogy if you want to judge a reaction.
Here's a better one: Speeding is against the law. It is well known that on a particular highway, that eveyone goes 15 mph past the speed limit. If they didn't, they would be run over by the drivers behind them. Fines are $100,000 per offense. The only method to catch a speeder is with a radar detector. However, the equipment is not reliable and only manages to catch every 50th vehicle that is breaking the speed limit. Your sister, who normally avoids this highway, is pregnant and is about to deliver and decides that she should use this highway, because it the best route to the hospital. She doesn't want to be run over, so she goes the speed of the other drivers and gets caught. She has to pay $100,000. You are thrilled that this "criminal", your sister, was caught and fined? She did break the law.
It's an arms race, and impossible battle. Just enjoy the sport and have agood laugh when guys get caught. It's what I've been doing for 20 years.
If it's truly impossible, whats the point of trying to prevent any drug use? Since nothing you do will work, why penalize the few unfortunate to be detected?
Sorry, but that is simply a terrible analogy. The two scenerios aren't even in the same universe. When we talk about athletes taking performance enhancing drugs, we aren't discussing people who are physically harming others, much less killing them. Try to come up with a similar analogy if you want to judge a reaction.
Here's a better one: Speeding is against the law. It is well known that on a particular highway, that eveyone goes 15 mph past the speed limit. If they didn't, they would be run over by the drivers behind them. Fines are $100,000 per offense. The only method to catch a speeder is with a radar detector. However, the equipment is not reliable and only manages to catch every 50th vehicle that is breaking the speed limit. Your sister, who normally avoids this highway, is pregnant and is about to deliver and decides that she should use this highway, because it the best route to the hospital. She doesn't want to be run over, so she goes the speed of the other drivers and gets caught. She has to pay $100,000. You are thrilled that this "criminal", your sister, was caught and fined? She did break the law.
It's an arms race, and impossible battle. Just enjoy the sport and have agood laugh when guys get caught. It's what I've been doing for 20 years.
If it's truly impossible, whats the point of trying to prevent any drug use? Since nothing you do will work, why penalize the few unfortunate to be detected?
EURO
07-27-06, 04:26 PM
OH, McSpin I was waiting for you to turn up. I've got a message for you:-
:) :) :) :) :) :) :)
If it's truly impossible, whats the point of trying to prevent any drug use?
That wasn't my point.
Here's a better one: Speeding is against the law. It is well known that on a particular highway, that eveyone goes 15 mph past the speed limit. If they didn't, they would be run over by the drivers behind them. Fines are $100,000 per offense. The only method to catch a speeder is with a radar detector. However, the equipment is not reliable and only manages to catch every 50th vehicle that is breaking the speed limit. Your sister, who normally avoids this highway, is pregnant and is about to deliver and decides that she should use this highway, because it the best route to the hospital. She doesn't want to be run over, so she goes the speed of the other drivers and gets caught. She has to pay $100,000. You are thrilled that this "criminal", your sister, was caught and fined? She did break the law.
Sorry, but that's a terrible analogy.
Dude, I'm never going to pay attention to anything you type. I'm just going to cut and paste and type 'that wasn't my point'. You've missed your chance at having a proper discussion. Go back to your yacht or your golf or whatever you do at weekends.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :)
If it's truly impossible, whats the point of trying to prevent any drug use?
That wasn't my point.
Here's a better one: Speeding is against the law. It is well known that on a particular highway, that eveyone goes 15 mph past the speed limit. If they didn't, they would be run over by the drivers behind them. Fines are $100,000 per offense. The only method to catch a speeder is with a radar detector. However, the equipment is not reliable and only manages to catch every 50th vehicle that is breaking the speed limit. Your sister, who normally avoids this highway, is pregnant and is about to deliver and decides that she should use this highway, because it the best route to the hospital. She doesn't want to be run over, so she goes the speed of the other drivers and gets caught. She has to pay $100,000. You are thrilled that this "criminal", your sister, was caught and fined? She did break the law.
Sorry, but that's a terrible analogy.
Dude, I'm never going to pay attention to anything you type. I'm just going to cut and paste and type 'that wasn't my point'. You've missed your chance at having a proper discussion. Go back to your yacht or your golf or whatever you do at weekends.
HDTVKSS
07-27-06, 04:50 PM
far out, i can hear the USA backpedaling all the way from here. so ar you boys and girls now going to be returning all your merchandise and T shirts?
stage 17, best stage since Marion Jones won at the Olympics ;)
stage 17, best stage since Marion Jones won at the Olympics ;)
pshaw
07-27-06, 05:04 PM
far out, i can hear the USA backpedaling all the way from here. so ar you boys and girls now going to be returning all your merchandise and T shirts?
stage 17, best stage since Marion Jones won at the Olympics ;)
Ben Johnson?
Ooops he was Canadian....my bad:rolleyes:
stage 17, best stage since Marion Jones won at the Olympics ;)
Ben Johnson?
Ooops he was Canadian....my bad:rolleyes:
HDTVKSS
07-27-06, 05:25 PM
maybee we can get one of the Mulder form X files's poster with " i want to beleive " printed " on top of an image of him crossing the line on stage 17.
after all, clean Pro cycling is about as real as UFO's. and yes im sorry but that includes the Americans.
after all, clean Pro cycling is about as real as UFO's. and yes im sorry but that includes the Americans.
Hornbiker
07-27-06, 05:43 PM
Why, as you said, if they all dope?
Why not have the race in this fashion - all 200 riders show up in full team gear(without bikes, they don't need them anymore), then just have them keep peeing, testing, disqualifying, until someone is left 'standing'? :) :) :)
:beer:
I really, REALLY like that!
Why not have the race in this fashion - all 200 riders show up in full team gear(without bikes, they don't need them anymore), then just have them keep peeing, testing, disqualifying, until someone is left 'standing'? :) :) :)
:beer:
I really, REALLY like that!
McSpin
07-28-06, 04:42 AM
You've missed your chance at having a proper discussion.
LOL, you wouldn't know what a proper discussion was if it landed in your mouth. All you'd know is that it tastes bad.
LOL, you wouldn't know what a proper discussion was if it landed in your mouth. All you'd know is that it tastes bad.
EURO
07-28-06, 04:57 AM
LOL, you wouldn't know what a proper discussion was if it landed in your mouth. All you'd know is that it tastes bad.
That wasn't my point.
That wasn't my point.
McSpin
07-28-06, 05:05 AM
Dude, I'm never going to pay attention to anything you type
Well, that lasted about a minute.:rolleyes:
Well, that lasted about a minute.:rolleyes:
Karlotta
07-28-06, 05:41 AM
Here's a better one: Speeding is against the law. It is well known that on a particular highway, that eveyone goes 15 mph past the speed limit. If they didn't, they would be run over by the drivers behind them. Fines are $100,000 per offense. The only method to catch a speeder is with a radar detector. However, the equipment is not reliable and only manages to catch every 50th vehicle that is breaking the speed limit. Your sister, who normally avoids this highway, is pregnant and is about to deliver and decides that she should use this highway, because it the best route to the hospital. She doesn't want to be run over, so she goes the speed of the other drivers and gets caught. She has to pay $100,000. You are thrilled that this "criminal", your sister, was caught and fined? She did break the law.
Well, you started off on the right track. The murder analogy was indeed at a different level. But the Speeding analogy is at the other extreme.
The more appropriate crime analogy would be something akin to fraud.
My guess is that Landis will be (initially) "convicted" on the confirmation of the B-sample counter-analysis, and will appeal the results using all the expert testimony and lawyering he can afford. In the end, even if he does exonerate himself, a cloud of doubt and suspicion will hang over him for as long as he is in the profession. A slightly darker and more ominous cloud than that which already hangs over every professional rider.
Well, you started off on the right track. The murder analogy was indeed at a different level. But the Speeding analogy is at the other extreme.
The more appropriate crime analogy would be something akin to fraud.
My guess is that Landis will be (initially) "convicted" on the confirmation of the B-sample counter-analysis, and will appeal the results using all the expert testimony and lawyering he can afford. In the end, even if he does exonerate himself, a cloud of doubt and suspicion will hang over him for as long as he is in the profession. A slightly darker and more ominous cloud than that which already hangs over every professional rider.
ElJamoquio
07-28-06, 07:01 AM
Again - I'll make the comparison with crime. Yes, it sucks that people commit murder. That does not stop it being GREAT NEWS when they put a murderer behind bars.
No, this is simultaneously finding the murder and catching the murderer - i.e., red-handed. Does the joy of finding the criminal overtake the somber of finding the crime?
No, this is simultaneously finding the murder and catching the murderer - i.e., red-handed. Does the joy of finding the criminal overtake the somber of finding the crime?
McSpin
07-28-06, 09:29 AM
Well, you started off on the right track. The murder analogy was indeed at a different level. But the Speeding analogy is at the other extreme.
The more appropriate crime analogy would be something akin to fraud.
My guess is that Landis will be (initially) "convicted" on the confirmation of the B-sample counter-analysis, and will appeal the results using all the expert testimony and lawyering he can afford. In the end, even if he does exonerate himself, a cloud of doubt and suspicion will hang over him for as long as he is in the profession. A slightly darker and more ominous cloud than that which already hangs over every professional rider.
Okay, if you like fraud, it's easy enough to come up with an analogy with it: You have a poker tournament. It is a well known fact that everyone in the tournament will cheat, because there is no other way to win. It costs $10,000 to enter, but the fine for getting caught cheating (fraud) is $100,000. The only way to get caught is by the tournament directors, but their surveilance techniques aren't very good and they can only catch on average, one in 50 players. Your sister enters the tournament. She is honest, but they find a card in her hand that doesn't match the deck. She is declared a fraud and fined the $100,000. She claims the card must have been in the deck when it was delt. The director says all decks are sealed and certified before use. Your sister protests that there must have been a mistake, but the director says "sorry, that's the rules". There is no need to look at the rules or the deck certifying procedures, because someone figured this all out in advance and couldn't be wrong. Your sister is labeled a criminal and you are very happy that she was caught.
The more appropriate crime analogy would be something akin to fraud.
My guess is that Landis will be (initially) "convicted" on the confirmation of the B-sample counter-analysis, and will appeal the results using all the expert testimony and lawyering he can afford. In the end, even if he does exonerate himself, a cloud of doubt and suspicion will hang over him for as long as he is in the profession. A slightly darker and more ominous cloud than that which already hangs over every professional rider.
Okay, if you like fraud, it's easy enough to come up with an analogy with it: You have a poker tournament. It is a well known fact that everyone in the tournament will cheat, because there is no other way to win. It costs $10,000 to enter, but the fine for getting caught cheating (fraud) is $100,000. The only way to get caught is by the tournament directors, but their surveilance techniques aren't very good and they can only catch on average, one in 50 players. Your sister enters the tournament. She is honest, but they find a card in her hand that doesn't match the deck. She is declared a fraud and fined the $100,000. She claims the card must have been in the deck when it was delt. The director says all decks are sealed and certified before use. Your sister protests that there must have been a mistake, but the director says "sorry, that's the rules". There is no need to look at the rules or the deck certifying procedures, because someone figured this all out in advance and couldn't be wrong. Your sister is labeled a criminal and you are very happy that she was caught.
EURO
07-28-06, 10:57 AM
Well, that lasted about a minute.:rolleyes:
That wasn't my point.
That wasn't my point.
EURO
07-28-06, 10:58 AM
Still, stage 17 - Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne - Morzine was great, yeah? What an attack from Landis. Almost up there with the legendary rides of Merckx.
How did he do it?
How did he do it?
reef58
07-28-06, 11:10 AM
Still, stage 17 - Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne - Morzine was great, yeah? What an attack from Landis. Almost up there with the legendary rides of Merckx.
How did he do it?
Euro now you are backtracking. You said numerous times Floyd was given the time. Now it is likely he was not given the time, but rather he cheated his way to victory. I am not surprised considering the performance on stage 16. What did he have to lose? He was facing a dismal finish in the TDF, and possibly career ending surgery. He was going to lose anyway, but maybe just maybe he could beat the testers. Looks like he was wrong.
Now what pisses me off is the robbed Pereiro if he is clean. I am sure OP does not want to win the Tour this way. He was robbed of his opportunity to ride into Paris in Yellow sipping champagne, and standing on the podium while his National Anthem played.
God what a mess,
Richard
How did he do it?
Euro now you are backtracking. You said numerous times Floyd was given the time. Now it is likely he was not given the time, but rather he cheated his way to victory. I am not surprised considering the performance on stage 16. What did he have to lose? He was facing a dismal finish in the TDF, and possibly career ending surgery. He was going to lose anyway, but maybe just maybe he could beat the testers. Looks like he was wrong.
Now what pisses me off is the robbed Pereiro if he is clean. I am sure OP does not want to win the Tour this way. He was robbed of his opportunity to ride into Paris in Yellow sipping champagne, and standing on the podium while his National Anthem played.
God what a mess,
Richard
EURO
07-29-06, 06:08 AM
Euro now you are backtracking. You said numerous times Floyd was given the time.
Ha! All I ask you to do is read the very same thread that you just posted in. Read it from start to finish. Floyds lead at the end of this stage was partially a great ride, and parcially a tactical mistake on the part of two teams.
Ha! All I ask you to do is read the very same thread that you just posted in. Read it from start to finish. Floyds lead at the end of this stage was partially a great ride, and parcially a tactical mistake on the part of two teams.
DMF
07-29-06, 06:28 AM
but rather he cheated his way to victory. This I don't understand. Given what I know about the types of "dope" that the T/E test picks up (which admittedly isn't a lot) there's no overnight, magic pill that could produce such a ride. What could he have taken?
God what a mess, Amen.
God what a mess, Amen.
EURO
07-29-06, 10:16 AM
DMF - a therapeutic dose of testosterone could have aided his recovery from the previous day, thus making the ride easier.
ElJamoquio
07-29-06, 02:15 PM
That wasn't my point.
"I know you are, but what am I?"
You're debating like a ten year old. Either ignore him or add something useful.
"I know you are, but what am I?"
You're debating like a ten year old. Either ignore him or add something useful.
EURO
07-29-06, 03:53 PM
:) I think you should read the whole thread, mate. Check out who started with that particular style of argument :)
EURO
09-20-07, 01:58 PM
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06-30-08, 10:59 AM
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CyLowe97
06-30-08, 11:27 AM
Don't worry, EURO, the board has been quite obnoxious in your absence.
Welcome back.
Welcome back.
HigherGround
06-30-08, 12:02 PM
Next on EURO's "to do" list: heckle people who picked him last for dodge ball in elementary school.
Mooo
07-02-08, 08:27 PM
Next on EURO's "to do" list: heckle people who picked him last for dodge ball in elementary school.
He's gonna need a bigger crayon.
He's gonna need a bigger crayon.