Bike lanes at intersections - policy

[Helmet Head]

Please select the policy statement regarding bicycling advoacy's postion on bike lanes at intersections that you would most support.

KEY

RTOL - Right Turn Only Lane
BL - Bike Lane


Bonus questions:


Can through bike lanes placed along the right edge of a RTOL at an intersection approach all the way up to the intersection EVER be part of a good design? If not, why not? If so, how?
Can through bike lanes placed along the right edge of a right-or-straight lane at an intersection approach all the way up to the intersection ever be part of a good design? If not, why not? If so, how?

[filtersweep]

NO! No more acronyms...

I usually swing out into the lane to avoid trouble in intersections. Cars don't respect bike lanes in intersections... why should I?

[noisebeam]

NO! No more acronyms...

I figured out BL and RTOL, but what is ALL? ;)

Al

[Brian Ratliff]

How can there be a "policy statement" on an engineered design?

No, bike lanes are design features of the road and engineering standards for their use and placement cannot be condensed into a one-liner.

[The Octopus]

Good poll. Not a fan of bike lanes at all. Dangerous epsecially at intersections.

I was down in Central Florida this past weekend and was amazed to see a bike lane on SR 436. I mean, who the hell would ever ride a bike on that road? It's 6 lanes and has more commercial driveways accessng it than you can shake a stick at (the bike lane went uninterupted through each driveway and would appear marked with a dashed line when a turn lane opened up at the big intersections, of which there are many on this road between Orlando and Cassleberry). This is coming from a guy who commuted in Philly and Boston for years. I have no problem playing in traffic, but riding on that road has got to be insane, bike lane or not!

[Helmet Head]

How can there be a "policy statement" on an engineered design?
Sorry, I should have said this would be the policy statement regarding support for bike lanes at intersections by an advocacy group.


No, bike lanes are design features of the road and engineering standards for their use and placement cannot be condensed into a one-liner.
Who said anything about road and engineering standards?

Maybe you'll do better with these specific questions, Brian.


Can through bike lanes placed along the right edge of a RTOL at an intersection approach all the way up to the intersection EVER be part of a good design? If not, why not? If so, how?
Can through bike lanes placed along the right edge of a right-or-straight lane at an intersection approach all the way up to the intersection ever be part of a good design? If not, why not? If so, how?

[Flamingmb]

I am tired of talking about bike lanes.......

[Helmet Head]

No need to talk about bike lanes... just think about them for few days, weeks, months... whatever it takes. Then come back and tell us what, if anything, you've decided all this. When you're up to it, I would like to know your answers to the bonus questions in the OP...

[Brian Ratliff]

I am tired of talking about bike lanes.......

Aren't we all...

[sbhikes]

Too much thinking and not enough riding and enjoying life. Get out there and ride your bike!

[Helmet Head]

Wow. I had no idea there were three others who agreed with me that bicycling advocates should promote the policy of, "Remove all BL striping, except for long intersectionless stretches with 45+ mph limits."

[Bekologist]

none of the above. roadway design needs are too adaptive and unique in design.

(There are plenty of well accomodated intersections with a 40 foot cessation in the bike lane stripe, or dashing, or some combo or not therof around here, and it works pretty well. seems like the center line doesn't get broken for ALL intersections either, just larger ones)

MAYBE, the better gauge of facilities would be post the actual (AASHTO?) roadway engineering guidelines, or some condensed summary of them, and decide on how they can be improved upon.

[Neist]

Reading all these choices makes my head hurt.

[John E]

Wow. I had no idea there were three others who agreed with me that bicycling advocates should promote the policy of, "Remove all BL striping, except for long intersectionless stretches with 45+ mph limits." I would vote in favor of bike lanes on long intersectionless stretches with 35+mph/55+kph limits and in favor of bike lanes to the left of right-turn-only lanes. I would vote against any bike lanes on 25mph/40kph (possibly 30mph/50kph) streets and against all bike lanes in door zones and to the right of right-turn-only lanes. I am indifferent/neutral regarding all other bike lanes.

[Helmet Head]

I would vote against any bike lanes on 25mph/40kph (possibly 30mph/50kph) streets and against all bike lanes in door zones and to the right of right-turn-only lanes. I am indifferent/neutral regarding all other bike lanes.
Why are you opposed to bike lanes to the right of right-turn-only lanes, but indifferent/neutral regarding bike lanes to the right of right-or-straight lanes?

What are the reasons that form the basis for your opposition to bike lanes to the right of right-turn-only lanes, and why don't they also apply to bike lanes to the right of right-or-straight lanes?