Classic & Vintage - Question on Diamond Back road bike

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dmitrivich
06-30-06, 02:01 AM
Hello all! The bike I'm asking about isn't so much a classic, but I figured you all would probably know the most about it.

I found a bike for my girlfriend on Craigslist. She wanted a reliable around town bike (had been riding a wal-mart bike) and also wanted it to be a road bike, as she wanted to give them a try. But she didn't have much money to spend, so new or even recent used was not an option.

We found a barely-used Diamond Back Centurion road bike for $100, which seemed to fit her well. As far as I can tell, this bike has not been ridden at all: all the teeth on the gearing look unused (Biopace on the front! ;)), the chain is unworn, the brakes are shiny, etc. The components are 300EX and from what I gather from searching the forums this bike is a 1990. The bike shifts beautifully - as crisp as my 9-speed 105/Ultegra, to be honest, although the brakes don't compare. I measure the bike as a 48 cm frame.

The tires were old and needed to be replaced. This is where things are kind of funny. We bought new tubes and some 700x23 continental ultrasports, which seemed like a good choice for general use. The tire change was a bit difficult for the rear wheel, but I got it done (it was strangely tight though, at least compared to my limited experience with road tires). The front was impossible. It was very difficult to get the old tire off, and it was impossible to get the new tire all the way on (first bead yes, second bead no). Superman could not have made this work. Finally, thinking I'd go into LBS and try to sort that out tomorrow, I figured I'd just throw on my front wheel from my Trek 1500 (700 x 25) and try the bike out a bit more. Now here's the weird part: the tire rubs on against the frame at the top of the fork (not against the sides of the fork, but against the top, as if the tire were too large). Come to think of it, I heard some rubbing when I was looking the bike over, but assumed that the brakes were poorly adusted or that the wheel was out of true.

My main questions are: both wheels said they were 700s (although they were different, and while the rear one looked unused, the front looked as though it had been used a fair bit, so it must have come from another bike). The front was 15 mm wide I think? How could the same tires fit one (albeit marginally) but not the other?

Is it possible that the bike has the wrong tire size? It seems like a 48 cm bike ca. 1990 would have come with 700s, but I'm too young to know. There's plenty of clearance for the 700 in the rear. Is it possible that the bike originally ran 650s or something else? Or could it have been spec'd for different sizes in the front and the rear? I just don't know these things.

Thanks for any knowledge you can lend!


dmitrivich
06-30-06, 11:20 AM
Anyone?

Little Darwin
06-30-06, 11:36 AM
I can provide limited, and perhaps useless information. My 1988 Centurion has 700c front and rear, but it is a 56cm frame...

The front rim however must be 700c, since the next smaller size is 20mm smaller, and I doubt if you would be able to even get one side on.

Tire size chart here is very useful:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html


dmitrivich
06-30-06, 12:21 PM
Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. The brakes are clearly set up for the 700s. But yet the 700x25 rubs against the frame (headtube?). Is is possible that it only takes 23s or smaller? I can't imagine why the clearance would be so tight.

juggleandhope
09-30-07, 03:23 PM
I've read that sometimes on those bikes for littler people the front wheel is smaller.

East Hill
09-30-07, 03:39 PM
I've read that sometimes on those bikes for littler people the front wheel is smaller.

Quite true, and I've got a couple of them myself.

East Hill

divineAndbright
09-30-07, 03:50 PM
I think tires that are a b!tch to get on is pretty common on them old 700c rims, I dont even use the origial front rim that was on my used 89 marinoni cause of the same problem, I mean I can get it on if I feel like really mustering it, but I just dont use it cause I'd hate to get a flat and have to change it out on the road.

If you think you can afford or find a different front rim somewhere go for it, otherwise get yourself some really strong tire irons

roccobike
09-30-07, 05:21 PM
Continental Ultrasport have something of a reputation for being difficult to mount. Mine were tight, but not too bad. A search on BF will show that some have had difficulty while others have mounted them, but they were tight. According to my LBS, if the rim is just a little wide, the Ultra Sport will be difficult to mount.
Sorry, can't help on the issue with rubbing the top of the fork. Sounds a little weird, like maybe the bike was originally set up with a 650c rim as juggleandhope and East Hill suggest.

cudak888
09-30-07, 05:24 PM
Photos (of the fork & wheel?)

-Kurt

McDave
09-30-07, 06:07 PM
This is a 15 month old thread folks. :rolleyes: :)

T-Mar
10-01-07, 06:45 AM
This is a 15 month old thread folks.

Yes, but knowing East Hill, the lanky lass probably sent them a PM and/or e-mail to alert them as to the renewed interest. She's a great watchdog and social convener.



I've read that sometimes on those bikes for littler people the front wheel is smaller.


In the late 1980s, Centurion did market 46 cm, "proportional" versions of the LeMans and Ironman Expert with a 24" front wheel and a 700C in the back. I would think that if this were the situation, a 700C front wheel would not even fit. Regardless, it should be readily evident that a 700C front wheel was the wrong size, as the top tube would be noticeably non-horizontal, sloping downwards from the front to the back.

On a vintage bicycle, my sanity check for proper wheel and fork sizes is whether the top tube is horizontal on not. Try measuring the standover height at both the front and rear of the top tube.

East Hill
10-01-07, 08:31 AM
Yes, but knowing East Hill, the lanky lass probably sent them a PM and/or e-mail to alert them as to the renewed interest. She's a great watchdog and social convener.


I think it's the genealogist in me! There are threads which have been dormant for YEARS on the Lancashire genealogy website I help moderate, and every once in a while someone stumbles onto a thread and says, "I'm related to this person!".

So, you just never know....:p .

East Hill