I'm liking that leader. It looks like a good first tri set-up. Way better than my first tri bike!! How do you like the STI shifters on the end of the aero bars? Seems to me to be a good idea to have both the brakes and shifters in the same place. Although it could get squirley if braking in the aero position. I am never one for a huge drop either. Kills the back after about 50 miles and you really don't save much time over shorter distances by lowering your shoulders. Nice one!

Thanks! I love having the STI shifters on the Aero bars - I have a secondary brake lever that you can just see poking out on the left bar ( near the elbow pad ) for when I'm not in the Aero.
I'm running 56/39 11/34 Front / rear BTW because of the hilly area around here.

Here's the new creation. I built this one personally. It is my first complete build. A lot of fun too!!

Here is the build:
1) Full 2006 DA components; front/rear derailleur, barcons, brake calipers, HG narrow chain, carbon brake pads, and a 10spd 12-25 rear cassette
2) FSA K-force cranks 53/39
3a) 105 clipless pedals :)...I know...
3b) Shimano 105 46cm shoes. (Good fit)
4) Blackwell Research 100mm front, disc rear--sold for a HED 3c
5) Cane Creek carbon brake levers--200TT
6) Slic cable 1.5mm brake cable et housing F&R
7) Easton EC70 seatpost
8) Selle San Marco Triathgel saddle
9) FSA Vison carbon integrated aero bar w/ standard bend extensions--(very comfortable!)
10) Token Mono-Q bottle holders (2)
11) Profile Design Aqua Rack and Aero Drink system
12) Cheap aftermarket fork, (Dolce Vita)--I can't make-up my mind on an aero fork-Rigid
13) Token Carbon Titanium bottom bracket w/ ceramic bearings, (Super smooth and fast!!!)
14) Zipp Tangente 21mm tubies, (Sweeeeeeet!)
15) FSA IS8 integrated headset
16) Polar CS300 HRM, Cadence, Speed, etc...
17) Polar Bottle, insulated X4
18) Zipp Ti QR skewers
19) 2006 LOOK 486 5.9(59cm) Frame w/ High Modulus Carbon construction and internally routed rear brake cable. (It's not exactly a Tri-specific frame, but I really like it. It has incredible vibration dampening qualities and is super stiff at the same time. Plus it's F'in sweet looking and handmade in France.)
20) One slightly overweight 220lb 6'3" engine!---Soon to be 185-190lbs :):):)

I also have a LAS Chrono aero helmet. I had not heard of LAS until I came across one on the Slowtwitch forums. It is made in Italy and is a one size fits most type. It looks awesome and is very comfortable. I never really liked the visors though. They are not very clear and just get in the way. Luckily it is removeable so I can just use my M-Frames. Like anything made in Italy it is stylish, comfortable and top-notch quality of construction and materials.

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http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb7/dreamweb101/100_2229.jpg

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Hey jovella,

What fork are you using? It doesn't look like the Leader fork. How deep are the blades? I can't decide what fork I want to put on my Look. I'm looking at the Reynolds Ouzo ProAero or the Wolf CL, (the one that comes on Cervelo's P3). I want a deeper rigid fork, like 60mm or more blade width. If anybody has any comments, reviews, or suggestions I would appreciate it. Thanks.

Blade width is 48mm. It's a "Real Design" bought off e-bay for cheap - but in person, doesn't look any different than any fork I've seen for 3 times the money. Seems to work nice on the Leader. BTW - that Look frame looks awesome ( pun intended - and necessary as well ;)!

The UCI has put a limit on fork depth at 50mm, so notmany forks are deeper than that.

The Reynolds is a great choice for a very fast fork.

The only fork deeper than 60mm that I know of is the blackwell research time bandit.

http://eternityfuture.net/__oneclick_uploads/2007/06/pict6195-01.jpg

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That's simply the shizzle. Those are some SERIOUS extensions. How's she ride?


BTW, can I have your fork? j/k, lol. :)

Thanks Triguy. I didn't know about the UCI limit. B.R. makes a UCI legal fork too right? If I remember correctly though, it has a bend/rake I think. I definately need a UCI legal fork. There's not much point in getting anything out of spec. I am planning on doing a lot more competing in the very near future. That's why I sold the disc. Well that's one reason. I can't afford to have a stable of high-end wheels and I wanted something that could be ridden at Kona should I make it there some day soon. Discs are not allowed at Kona for some reason. Why does the UCI make >50mm deep fork blades illegal? Never can understand that one. Same as the seat tube angle??

Thanks jovella for the props and the pun. :):) Realdesign huh? I'll have to look into it. I really am partial to Reynolds' forks though. I just don't want to spend another $400.00 right now, ya know.

Blackwell does a make a UCI legal fork, actually a fairly priced fork at around $250-260 from my lbs, though I can't comment on it's aerodynamics.

The Reynolds is a fast fork, no doubt about it. Do you need a 1" or 1 1/8"?

The UCI rules are random numbers and come from the same set of ideas that limit tubes to 80mm deep on a frame. No rhyme or reason, just numbers they liked. Just like riding with a seat 5cm behind the bb.

Thank god I only do tris so none of it applies to me.

1 1/8". The two lbs' around here don't carry any tri-specific components unfortunately. I have to find most of my parts online. I buy from them when I can though.

The UCI rules are random numbers and come from the same set of ideas that limit tubes to 80mm deep on a frame. No rhyme or reason, just numbers they liked. Just like riding with a seat 5cm behind the bb.

Thank god I only do tris so none of it applies to me.


I thought UCI rules applied to triathlon as well. No? What is the rule making body for tri's? It's not USAT is it? Is there a UTI or UTA? Is there a limit for tri forks? I really only do tri's and du's as well. love it! Those numbers do seem random to me. That makes sense, or not. :)

Nope, UCI applies to international cycling competitions and a select few USA competitions as of this year and as of next year it will apply to most USA cycling competitions.

Triathlon is governed by ITU and USAT. The general rules of the two apply more to safety, such as two working brakes, no recumbants, etc...

I don't believe there is any limit on tri forks.

Thanks Triguy.

What are you riding? What is your preference for forks? Thanks again for the info. Invaluable.

Right now I'm riding a similarly shaped fork to yours. It's a Ritchey Pro, nothing spectacular but I got it pretty cheap.

Money no object I would probably get a Blackwell Research Time Bandit or the Oval A900 jetstream.
Because I ride Hed 3s and the Reynolds aero blades are a touch closer together than most, I would not select that fork, however, it should work very well with your BW100. If I rode any wheels but the Hed 3s it would be in my top 3.

Sadly, there is no great aero budget fork. The Blackwell Bandit is about $275, the Wolf TT retails at $275. Those are "cheap" as far as the aero fork market is considered.

Ebay and classifieds are a good option, for instance the Real Design fork shown above is probably a fairly aerodynamic fork taking into account the depth of the blades and I'm guessing they're somewhat narrow.

Yea, you're right Triguy. $275.00 is relatively cheap considering. The oval is like what, $500.00 or something like that. I have an easton EC90 but it's 1", and to tell you the truth I really don't care for it anyway. The Blackwell seems to be pretty fairly priced. I will have to research it some time. I still dig the Ouzo but that's another one that is up there in price. I think it retails for $400 or so. I am always checking ebay but so far I haven't found the one yet. There are as couple of Ouzo ProAeros but there are both for 650c. I think they are probabbly spec parts from the factory though anyway. The search will continue on my friends.

Thanks. The chainrings are 55/44. I had to get them big because my wheels are 650s.

I'm not sure how the carbon-rimmed HED3s ride, but mine is great. It's a little less stiff than the Velocity Deep V wheels I usually ride. When I first rode with the HED, I had to stop a couple of times to check if my rear tire had flatted because it felt wobbly. But I'm used to it now so it's fine.

Huh. Is that due to the cassette wobble? I have read a few places that the HED 3's all have a problem with too much lateral "play" in the in the freewheel. It feels like a wrong spacing issue at first but isn't too noticeable after a bit of riding. Also, is yours slightly out of true? I have read as well that all the 3's are never perfectly trued but it doesn't affect performance. It seems with HED wheels either you love em or you hate em. It's like everyone's having a love affair with Zipp wheels right now. I think they have a lot of good ideas and are a revolutionary when it comes to aerodynamics, but there has to be some pretty stiff competition out there. I just wonder about those dimples sometimes. lol.

Here is mine. '07 Guru Cron'Alu. Just got the Vision Bars and Fizik saddle. It is awesome!

Stock P2SL
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/2973/dsc03530ku3.jpg

Here's my new ride - rode it in the first race of the season yesterday.

Here's the build:
2007 QR Lucero frame
FSA SL-K compact carbon crank w/ 50/36 Q-rings
10 speed Dura-Ace shifters, front & rear Der., 12/25 cassette
Zero Gravity Ti brakes
Vision Tech base & aero bars
Tektro carbon brake levers
Bebop pedals & Rocket 7 shoes
Fizik Arione Tri saddle
Zipp 808 clincher front
American Classic 420 w/powertap SL hub & disc wheel cover / zipp 808 rear clincher w/Powertap Pro hub
Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX tires & latex tubes



I like the Qroo bikes as well as many other hi-end TT bikes. I finally made my decision after riding a P2C and P3C because at 190+ lbs and my style of riding I prefer a stiff frame. I liked the lucero and felts, but they weren't for me as much as the bike I chose. Nice bike you have there, I'll post pics of mine as soon as I can..........:D

Update to my ride:
I finally settled for a wheelset after trying out lots of various deep rim options.
And.. I still can't believe that I built everything up (new, as pictured) for less than the cost of my stock Soloist Team.
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Picked me up a ride today... I've never seen ksyrium es' on a tri bike.. should i swap them from my road bike?

Sweeeeeeeeeet.

Actually Ksyriums are usually the 2nd most used wheel at Kona every year. I would keep them on the P2C. Enjoy the ride!!!

I already went ahead and swapped them. I guess when i get my 808's i'll put the es' back on the road bike!

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v107/203/44/6413463/n6413463_33268793_7621.jpg

Here is my updated bike. Check out the super fancy, rare, custom ochroma lagopus fiber aero seatpost. I love this bike. Now only if it could somehow change the humidity around here...

Picked me up a ride today... I've never seen ksyrium es' on a tri bike.. should i swap them from my road bike?

Use them as training wheels. Kysriums never score highly for aerodynamics in the Tour aero wheel tests.

http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-4934445.html

Nice bikes everyone!

My baby: Lemond Etape with rebuilt wheels and slip-on tri bars.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1419/831186060_78f57b3bce_m.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/andygates/831186060/)

I'd like to play too.

Here is my pride and joy....filthy dirty but fast. I am a newbee....only 2 years biking. Got a wild hair to build one of these and looked for used parts on eBay all last winter....got it running by this spring. Remeber Johnny Cash's song about the used car...."I got it one piece at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime (this one did cost a real dime)....". It will see it's first sprint race in 3 weeks.

It's true....it'd be cheaper to probably go and buy a brand name machine...but then I wouldn't have had the pleasure of learning how all this stuff fits together.

Used BP Stealth frame/fork off eBay
New BP Stealth aero seat post
Used Specialized bars....eBay
new Aero bars by "I forgot who"
Used Axis stem....eBay
New Ultegra crank set
New Dura-Ace 10 speed bar-end shifters
New Ultegra front/rear derailers
Used wheels...eBay
Used tires....eBay
used Ultegra 10-speed cassette....eBay
new Ultegra chain
Used shimano SPD pedals...eBay
new performance brake levers
used Ultegra brakes....eBay
my old used Specialized seat
all cables/housings/other small parts by "Loose Screws"

Working on lowering the bars as I get used to pedaling in the tuck. It ain't pretty, but it's all about faster...not prettier. It feels like a rocket!

This was fun enough that I might try build the wife a real classy tri ride this next winter.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/wallykl/tribike.jpg

I posted these pics when I got my P3C a few weeks back. She has about 150 miles on her so far. I'm splitting training time between the Tri-bike and Road bike(Orca).

I have changed the stem since the pics were taken from a 10 degree rise to a flatter 6 degree and have raised the saddle about 1/4 of an inch. I train on Mavic cosmic elites with ultegra cassette. The 1.5lb lighter 808's with DA cassette will finally get time on the road this weekend at the Solana Beach Duathlon............


Happy Riding all.............:D


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o199/shnapper/P3Carbon014.jpg

BigCatDaddy.....that is one HUGE set of clip ons....

shnapper-Nice rig.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o199/shnapper/P3Carbon014.jpg

Yes... a nice rig indead :D

how much does that zipp weigh?

Hey Burns, Can I please have your bike? I know this is not the pay it forward thread but I am a college student in need. Come on, hook a brother up.

Just kidding. Rad ride my friend. How do you like the 808 in front? Does it catch side winds much? I had a Blackwell 100 on the front of mine and sold it due to the fact that it threw me all over the place in the slightest of crosswinds.

how much does that zipp weigh?

Last time that I weighed the bike, it was almost 17-lbs. (16.8 I believe)

Hey Burns, Can I please have your bike? I know this is not the pay it forward thread but I am a college student in need. Come on, hook a brother up.

Just kidding. Rad ride my friend. How do you like the 808 in front? Does it catch side winds much? I had a Blackwell 100 on the front of mine and sold it due to the fact that it threw me all over the place in the slightest of crosswinds.

OK... you can have it. Since we're kidding and all ;)

Nah, the bike has its good points but it has it's bad as well. In a straight line it's fast and since they're 650c wheels, it's kinda twitchy. I do not recommend this bike for hills and sprinting though, the bottom bracket just moves around way too much. Finding replacement parts for it is getting to be very difficult too. I'm thinking about retiring the frame and finding a newer up to date frame. I will keep it forever though. I bought it brand new in '93 (funny story that my very first loan was for a bike... the bank thought I meant Motorcycle! lol!!!) and will probably find a way to mount it on a wall in my house as classic art. But then again... maybe not. Thank you for the compliments, none the less. :)

I posted these pics when I got my P3C a few weeks back. She has about 150 miles on her so far. I'm splitting training time between the Tri-bike and Road bike(Orca).

I have changed the stem since the pics were taken from a 10 degree rise to a flatter 6 degree and have raised the saddle about 1/4 of an inch. I train on Mavic cosmic elites with ultegra cassette. The 1.5lb lighter 808's with DA cassette will finally get time on the road this weekend at the Solana Beach Duathlon............


Happy Riding all.............:D


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o199/shnapper/P3Carbon014.jpg

Nice...maybe I should sell my house and get one! :-p

Nah, the bike has its good points but it has it's bad as well. In a straight line it's fast and since they're 650c wheels, it's kinda twitchy. I do not recommend this bike for hills and sprinting though, the bottom bracket just moves around way too much. Finding replacement parts for it is getting to be very difficult too. I'm thinking about retiring the frame and finding a newer up to date frame. I will keep it forever though. I bought it brand new in '93 (funny story that my very first loan was for a bike... the bank thought I meant Motorcycle! lol!!!) and will probably find a way to mount it on a wall in my house as classic art. But then again... maybe not. Thank you for the compliments, none the less.

That's hilarious my friend. I see those on ebay from time to time but they are still so expensive for an older frameset. Super duper proprietary though. I wonder why the design didn't take. It looks to be fairly minimal, like the TitanFlex. So I'll arrange shipping for the bike, you just have her packed up and ready to go. heh...heh...:D

Finally done with mine too. Just got another wetsuit and gonna get back into a few tris a year again.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/cslone/DSC_2313.jpg

Finally done with mine too. Just got another wetsuit and gonna get back into a few tris a year again.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/cslone/DSC_2313.jpg

that's awesomeness right there. :D

That's hilarious my friend. I see those on ebay from time to time but they are still so expensive for an older frameset. Super duper proprietary though. I wonder why the design didn't take. It looks to be fairly minimal, like the TitanFlex. So I'll arrange shipping for the bike, you just have her packed up and ready to go. heh...heh...:D

Okay... I'll send it out. I will forwarn you though that most everything that I send out, gets sent back to me. The shipping companies don't like it when I wrap the bike in papertowels and use crayons for writing the address. So until I find out a better way to ship, I'll have to wait on send you the bike. You might be better off getting another bike while you wait. It could be a while. ;)

CSLONE- I really like those handle bars. I just cant seem to find an extra $600 to get me a set though.

Here's a quick picture of two Griffen's belonging to my wife and I. Great to ride - stiff and smooth thanks to the boron carbide / aluminum materials. And the customer service from the company is excellent - lifetime warranty on the frames and ability to return for factory re-painting at a great price.

http://i15.tinypic.com/6b4pds9.jpg

Cheers,
Bryan

Thanks for the compliments guys. And yes, I LOVE my HED bars.

Ok, so I've finally got my bike in a condition where I feel ready to show it to the world in picture form (i.e. not just at a race :-P)

I love it! http://i14.tinypic.com/61uqwip.jpg

some of the bikes in this thread are so awesome im almost embarrased to post mine.

its my hand-me-down road bike that ive half ass-edly transformed into a wanna be tri-bike.

http://jdtreon.com/triathlons/allez1.jpg

Cannondale SR-300
Mish mash of parts I dont even know who makes rear wheel...lol . But I like it.
Dwayne

dood, is that an XLab 4-spoke on the rear?

dood, is that an XLab 4-spoke on the rear?
That's it!! Man couldnt remember who made this thing...Thanks!
Dwayne

You wouldn't be able to compare the XLab's handling characteristics to a HED.3 would ya? always been curious about it.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/jimfeil/FeltS22A1.jpg

New this year but I'm sending her down the road. Work related shoulder injury make riding in aero position just about imposible. It's for sale.

You wouldn't be able to compare the XLab's handling characteristics to a HED.3 would ya? always been curious about it.

Sorry What no can do. I can tell you the Xlab weighs a wopping 1220 grams and is very stiff and strong. i had to ride over a big pot hole and not a scrath or dent in the rim. Cant say the same for the front.
Dwayne