Foo - Ticket to hell - a message to parents that smoke.

This message is intended for parents who smoke around their children.

I think that parents who smoke around their kids are extremely selfish and evil. Not only do they disregard their own health (not that I care) but they are injuring their children. I have seen newborns with the mother smoking a cig in one hand, while holding the child in the other - pitiful.

I am declaring this to everyone on this forum - my hatred for you is almost unmatched.

I feel sorry for your children. But hoping that you die is almost as bad a punishment as having you smoke around your kids, so I don't wish for you to die.

I only hope that by reading this, you have a change of heart for the sake of your children. They do not deserve to breathe in the cancerous fumes you blow on them for the sake of supporting your disgusting habit.

I would also like to ask the readers of this forum to post something up regarding this topic, hopefully we can help get the message out there to the people who need to hear it.

- Thanks. :mad:

Light-en up!

Judge no lest yea be judged.

Light-en up!

I like your sense of humour

Judge no lest yea be judged.


" I only hope that by reading this, you have a change of heart for the sake of your children. "

Rant with a messaage.

I hear you fordfaster. There is alot of documentation about the dangers of smoking and second hand smoke.

But why the crazy talk:


I am declaring this to everyone on this forum - my hatred for you is almost unmatched.

You are talking emotionally. Did some happen to you personally?

Ditto, georgiaboy. I think a parent's smoking around children is irresponsible. Hell, I think a parent smoking period is irresponsible. Your child is depending on you. You should think long and hard before doing something with such potentially severe health consequences. But, that said, "hatred" is awfully strong.

my icy stares of disbelief finally at least prompted this lady to at least try and blow her smoke up a bit, but it really didn't do any good when they both lit up...

don't hate em' for exposing a baby this age to nasty cigarette smoke, but i feel where the op is coming from to a certain degree

Smoking parents don't bug me so much as mothers who smoke while pregnant....that really pisses me off. If you ar emature enough to have a baby, you are obviously mature enough to know better...so why? why????

OMFG how did my kids ever survive? How did my brothers and sisters and I survive my parents? How did they and my aunts and uncles survive my grandparents? Hate us all if you will, but we still love you.

you gotta control your anger. sure, you have a point and i agree with you for the most part. but, tickets to hell? unmatched hatred?? come'on man, you're going to develop a heart condition being so angry like that.

what about parents that rase their kids in an environment filled with pollution?

what about fat out of shape parents?

parents that drink?

parents that do other drugs besides alcohol?

etc etc etc

is there in end? slippery slope your standing on, hope you have spikes on your boots

" I only hope that by reading this, you have a change of heart for the sake of your children. "

Ah I see you are in the 99th percentile when it comes to judging others and jumping to conclusions. I don't smoke. I also don't have children. My father did smoke and he gave it up in the early 60s. Clearly he did not quit because of the dangers of second hand smoke. He quit because he realized that my brother and I would very likely follow in his footsteps.

I get pissed off with stupid hard sells like your because they rarely work and often backfire. Smokers who

weee

what about parents that rase their kids in an environment filled with pollution?

what about fat out of shape parents?

parents that drink?

parents that do other drugs besides alcohol?

etc etc etc

is there in end? slippery slope your standing on, hope you have spikes on your boots

+1 on this.

There are plenty of other things that parents do that can be harmful to thier children. My own personal belief is that raising children on the SAD (Standard American Diet) is one of the worst things that a parent can do to thier kids. But I am not going to try to tell them how to live thier lives. That is up to them to decide. Perhaps someday I will have the time and means to help people, but people can really only help themselves. If they choose to live that way, it is thier right.

Here is one for the thinkers out there..

http://www.velocide.com/user_uploads/pregsmoker.jpg

What about smoking after sex? Is that still legal?

You will not change anyone through hate and anger. Compasion, love and understanding go a lot further in changing someone. I also agree with you on the problem, but telling them you hate them will not make them stop. They just continue to piss you off further.

Here is one for the thinkers out there..

http://www.velocide.com/user_uploads/pregsmoker.jpg


lawl

+1 on this.

There are plenty of other things that parents do that can be harmful to thier children. My own personal belief is that raising children on the SAD (Standard American Diet) is one of the worst things that a parent can do to thier kids. But I am not going to try to tell them how to live thier lives. That is up to them to decide. Perhaps someday I will have the time and means to help people, but people can really only help themselves. If they choose to live that way, it is thier right.
+1. There are million things that people do that they could be doing "better" (better being by our definition of what is good for them). It's why we have a hundred and one unneeded warning labels and 2 hundred and two non-existant needed warning labels.

I'm not a parent but I am a smoker and I have NEVER felt okay smoking around kids. Even if their parents smoke in the house with them or in the car I will go outside, sometimes the parents act like I'm being weird or something but I just can't bring myself to do it. I'm not going to take my filthy habit and use it to destroy the health of a child, whether they're inoccent children or total terrors all adults should feel it their duty to do what they can to help children grow up as healthy as they can.

Anger is an easy emotion. I like it because it does not require much thought, and its easy to use =)

Lucky for me, my only weapon is this keyboard. lol

Anger is an easy emotion. I like it because it does not require much thought, and its easy to use =)

Lucky for me, my only weapon is this keyboard. lol

+1 so true! The keyboard is a very fast but very ineffective weapon.

I imagine most participants in this forum are non-smokers (it kinda goes with the healthy lifestyle, right?)

heh, that picture makes me laugh and want to cry at the same time....such a poor grasp on reality that woman has....


...and we really need a smiley that shakes his head in a "no" fashion for pictures just like that...

so...tell us how you really feel...

so...tell us how you really feel...


The OP is basically all of it.

Fordfasterr... What I want to know is WhoTF made you judge of the world and how big is this yardstick you expect the people of the world to measure up to.

Man, I fuggin hate intolerance :mad:

Fordfasterr... What I want to know is WhoTF made you judge of the world and how big is this yardstick you expect the people of the world to measure up to.

Man, I fuggin hate intolerance :mad:


Its much easier to avoid the issue and attack me right?

Its much easier to avoid the issue and attack me right?

You mean there is an issue to address, here?

Did someone disagree that smoking around kids was a bad idea?

I imagine most participants in this forum are non-smokers (it kinda goes with the healthy lifestyle, right?)

bad assumption methinks

Its much easier to avoid the issue and attack me right?
I feel you made it quite clear that there's no room for arguement. Hence, no issue to avoide.

Please answer MY question.

I feel you made it quite clear that there's no room for arguement. Hence, no issue to avoide.

Please answer MY question.


Your question has nothing to do with this topic. :rolleyes:

What about this kid (http://chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-03/30/content_555973.htm)?

http://chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-03/30/xin_51030330095836933702.jpg (http://chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-03/30/content_555973.htm)

What makes you think many smokers will be frequenting this forum?

Your question has nothing to do with this topic. :rolleyes:
Because you say so? Ha! Sorry skippy it has everything to do with it.

Please answer my question.

@skiah^^what makes you think they dont?

take a close hard look around, how much riding do you think the average forumite does? Id guess the forum average(all of them) is probably maybe 1000-1500 miles a year if its even that high.........then check out all the post ride threads and pre ride meal/post ride meal/diet threads, please, there's way more out of shape people hanging in here than you think, and smoking doesnt have anything to do with it, its lifestyle and laziness, none of the above have anything to do with smoking. You can be a very very fit and fast cyclist and still smoke, or not, they arent mutually exclusive, and anyone who's ever been on the razor or even close to it knows this.

I smoke.

On the bongos, that is.......

... *wup* *bap-bap* *wup* bippety-bap* *bip-bup* *dididibip* :o :love: :D :)

I imagine most participants in this forum are non-smokers (it kinda goes with the healthy lifestyle, right?)

Actually, I am quite a fan of fine cigars. However, I only have two or three a year, since I feel there are better ways to spend my cash.

I smoke.

On the bongos, that is.......

... *wup* *bap-bap* *wup* bippety-bap* *bip-bup* *dididibip* :o :love: :D :)

Regrettably, there is no beatnik/goateed smiley.

Edit: Ah, there it is: http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3473/beatnik3nd.gif. But he's smoking! :eek:

I don't smoke, except for the occasional fresh flavored tobacco in a nice pipe. I don't care to be around cigarette smoke. I grew up with both parents smoking, including my dad smoking unfiltered Camels. I don't feel that I suffered any effects from being around their smoke. On the other hand there's some evidence that my wife suffers from long term effects of her father smoking when she was growing up.

I personally think the jury is still out on second-hand smoke, but as a parent I like to err on the side of safety. Doesn't mean that hatred toward the ignorant or less cautious is justified though.

What about smoking after sex? Is that still legal?



Sure, as long as you don't do it in a restaurant in New Jersey.

Because you say so? Ha! Sorry skippy it has everything to do with it.

Please answer my question.


Answering your question will not help the issue and is off-topic.

Ask a topic related question instead of attacking me and maybe YOU can help to get this issue across to someone who needs to hear it.

:eek:

Answering your question will not help the issue and is off-topic.

Ask a topic related question instead of attacking me and maybe YOU can help to get this issue across to someone who needs to hear it.

:eek:

To the contrary, answering my question will help us understand your need to contaminate this otherwise peaceful, amicable and generaly friendly forum with your vileness and hatred.

Is this perhaps driven by some inner guilt?

I do feel your rant would be better served and more easily digested by the denizens of P&R.

Mods, care to move this thread?

To the contrary, answering my question will help us understand your need to contaminate this otherwise peaceful, amicable and generaly friendly forum with your vileness and hatred.

Is this perhaps driven by some inner guilt?

I do feel your rant would be better served and more easily digested by the denizens of P&R.

Mods, care to move this thread?


My only guilt is for not being able to do more about this issue for the people that I personally know that are doing this to their own kids all the time.

Stacey, so far you are doing a great job of attacking me and avoiding the issue at the same time. Congrats.

If the rant on this tread reaches just one person, it is beneficial to society. Don't you realize that?

Smoking is terrible for you. You make the choice to do that to yourself. It is very sad that someone would force this terrible habit on another. I don't think many people would argue this point. I think you are getting such flamed feed back due to the "hate" and anger spread throughout your post. Try to get the message out using a litte different language, or sneak up and kick them in the crotch anytime you see them light up.

Smoking is terrible for you. You make the choice to do that to yourself. It is very sad that someone would force this terrible habit on another. I don't think many people would argue this point. I think you are getting such flamed feed back due to the "hate" and anger spread throughout your post. Try to get the message out using a litte different language, or sneak up and kick them in the crotch anytime you see them light up.


Well, I get very mad when I see this sort of thing. What makes me even more mad is that I can't do anything about it except post it up on a forum. lol

That is why I expressed some anger in the OP.

Here is one for the thinkers out there..

http://www.velocide.com/user_uploads/pregsmoker.jpg
LOL

If that is the same Roanoke which is just north of me you don't know how well that fits in. Just too funny.

But seriously you need to read up on how to craft an argument because you aint never gonna convince nobody of nuthin with all that harsh talk.

I don't smoke and I ride about 3,000 miles a year on my bike. While I really don't like being exposed to smoke/smokers, I don't condem them for it. As long as they don't: smoke around me, litter, and act in a way that is inconsiderate to others/non-smokers. It's their life. While I can see where your coming from with your OP....it's a bit harsh and judgemental in my opnion. And yes, I don't think your going to reach many smokers on these forums. I didn't say any, I said many.

Well, I get very mad when I see this sort of thing. What makes me even more mad is that I can't do anything about it except post it up on a forum. lol

That is why I expressed some anger in the OP.


Then you might want to opt for the last part of my plan....sneak up and kick them in the bean bag each time they fire up a cancer stick. Just something to ponder :rolleyes: