Mountain Biking - The worst bike ever

I was looking around ebay and found this thing (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Full-Suspension-Mountain-Bike-w-JUICY-7-Disc-Brakes_W0QQitemZ170006427880QQihZ007QQcategoryZ98083QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem). Just reading the components list made me laugh..... I can't believe they want 1000+ for that thing.

why is it the worst?

They put Juicy 7's on that POS? You gotta be kidding me.

And, what the hell is a "fluid injected" frame? Is that what happens when water gets in the bearings?

That's unusual. Ha plano im close to there.

They put Juicy 7's on that POS? You gotta be kidding me.

And, what the hell is a "fluid injected" frame? Is that what happens when water gets in the bearings?


"fluid-injected" is just another way of saying hydro-formed aluminum.

I'm curious why one would come down harder on this bike than any other pre-assembled, overpriced boat anchor I see people drooling over at the LBS. The only difference is, the name isn't well known.

And, yes, it has Juicy 7's. So why did the OP say he "laughed just reading the components?"

Hmmmm....

It has bottom of the line components. Altus, and alivio. Rst gila fork, which isn't a great fork. Suntour crank.

For 1000 level, its a piece of crap.

It has bottom of the line components. Altus, and alivio. Rst gila fork, which isn't a great fork. Suntour crank.

For 1000 level, its a piece of crap.

I agree. Just saying that, what the LBS charges you for a similar frame(made in Taiwan, but with a "name brand" sticker on it) with Juicy brakes, plus a real fork...and you are overcharged anyway.

Don't expect a "real" all-mountain for $1000.00.

Best to just build your own, and stop complaining.;) It's pretty much all crap (except for the really, really expensive OTD stuff.)

I agree. Just saying that, what the LBS charges you for a similar frame(made in Taiwan, but with a "name brand" sticker on it) with Juicy brakes, plus a real fork...and you are overcharged anyway.

Don't expect a "real" all-mountain for $1000.00.

Best to just build your own, and stop complaining.;) It's pretty much all crap (except for the really, really expensive OTD stuff.)
We've been through this argument before. Don't assume frame welds made in asian countries are all crap, and all north american welds are godly.

The truth is, I don't think anyone thinks the big dog brands have stronger or better frames. They just do a way better job advertising, and making spiffy colored frames. Plus, they are more readily available in many more places.

We've been through this argument buddy. Don't assume frame welds made in asian countries are all crap, and all north american welds are godly.

The truth is, I don't think anyone thinks the big dog brands have stronger or better frames. They just do a way better job advertising, and making spiffy colored frames. Plus, they are more readily available in many more places.

*standing ovation*

EXACTLY my point. Thanks, Pheard.

Why title a thread "the worst bike ever", just because it's a China bike from an unknown company?

Does anyone really expect great component specs for $1000 or less. :rolleyes:

If you haven't thrown a leg over a bike, and actually rode the hell out of it, you can't say it's the best or the worst, just that it's ugly.:lol:

What I will never understand is why people assume Made in Asia is worse than Made in USA, seriously, what makes you think that?

It is an outrageous claim.

What I will never understand is why people assume Made in Asia is worse than Made in USA, seriously, what makes you think that?

It is an outrageous claim.

It is a racist claim.

*standing ovation*

EXACTLY my point. Thanks, Pheard.

Why title a thread "the worst bike ever", just because it's a China bike from an unknown company?

Does anyone really expect great component specs for $1000 or less. :rolleyes:

If you haven't thrown a leg over a bike, and actually rode the hell out of it, you can't say it's the best or the worst, just that it's ugly.:lol:
He did make a pretty idiotic claim about "worst bike ever". Of course his comment about the component list, did make me laugh aswell. For a 1000 that is outrageous.

The only reason I'm looking at a specialized or trek hardtail in the 1100 range, is because I readily have many dealers in my area.

It is a racist claim.

Well said.

I just like how they say the 19" frame will fit anyone from 5'4" to 6'4".

I wouldnt say the WORST bike ever but it just seems like they set it up so people that dont know anything about mountain biking think its the beast bike in the world... I remember when i first started looking at bikes I thought that bikes couldnt even get more expensive then $1000. To any one without knowledge, that sounds like an amazing bike.

I think this made me laugh the most

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1811/shiox0eg.jpg

The put just "fox" as good, and then they actually compare specific models in the other two categories lol.

In the brakes systems, they compare juicy 7s and xts with "hayes hydraulic", so I guess they are saying all hayes hydraulic brakes are worse than the xt and 7s LMAO. Doesn't even make sense.

They want more than a grand for it, and then they go and put a RST fork on it.

For the price, this is the worst bike ever and it would take the stupidest person ever to buy it

That bike looks very awkward.

that is teh hawtness

so you mean i made a bad purchase ;)

I notice they went with the 14 gram spokes, rather than the same old 14 guage that everyone else uses!

That bike is...er.. Odd :p



RE Frame manufactures:

Most frames are made in Tawain, i think the only *main* one that still isn't is Cannondale. I dont think you should consider this when buying a bike! Just because its Tawain it dosn't make it 'not as good'. The only reason compainies probalby continue making frames in the USA so they can use it to sell the bike. "HandMade in USA"...who cares? Most frames (Giants, Kona's etc) have lifetime frame warrenty anyway!

:)

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:


"Ultra-AMAZING PERFORMANCE!"

You gotta love the cranks, though: Shimano SunTour SR - "square tapered and linear balanced"!

I guess the ad seemed funny because of the way the product descriptions were written. :D

This rocks too: "This is the HIGHEST BREED OF SHOCKS AVAILABLE TODAY!!!!
FULLY ADJUSTABLE AND COMPLETE LOCKOUT OPTION ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE A HARDTAIL!"

Alright, someone post a picture for those of us that can't view ebay from work. I wanna see this awesome machine everyone is talking about. Who knows, it just may be my next bike.

you know specialized and trek are made overseas too. and I do believe that the specialized frames are made in taiwan now. probably the same plant where they make godzilla action figures ;) I still love mine!!!

hmm- i live in plano and have never heard of this shop.
Their website never really tells you where they are located.
WHOIS on netsol.com says its some guys house in dallas.

Your totally wrong I had the worst bike ever once. http://www.firstflightbikes.com/_borders/Trek9000.JPG

Your totally wrong I had the worst bike ever once.

Ha Ha, you got that right. Boing! Boing!

The only performance that ebay bike gets is more than one page of comments on this forum.

gattm99, is that rear shock solid rubber? Or am I remembering a different Trek?

He did make a pretty idiotic claim about "worst bike ever". Of course his comment about the component list, did make me laugh aswell. For a 1000 that is outrageous.

The "worst bike ever" was a hyperbole. I'm sure there are plenty of bikes wost than this but the Jucy 7s remind me of 1500 alloy rims on a 500 dollar Ford Taurus.

Also, I had no intention on nocking Asian manufacturing as I think that they make solid products.



I'm curious why one would come down harder on this bike than any other pre-assembled, overpriced boat anchor I see people drooling over at the LBS. The only difference is, the name isn't well known.

It has nothing at all to do with the name. Have a look at what you get from Iron Horse, Trek and others for a grand.

Really, I meant for this to be a joke about a ridiculous bike.......... I mean come on! Juicy 7 / Altus mix :)

Alright, someone post a picture for those of us that can't view ebay from work. I wanna see this awesome machine everyone is talking about. Who knows, it just may be my next bike.

http://i14.ebayimg.com/05/i/07/a6/47/91_12.JPG

It doesn't look bad...

Yup, it's official. That is going to be my next bike! Much nicer than the pieces of crap I ride now!!! :o

I can't believe I read this entire thread.

Maybe its $1000 because everyone on this forum says you can't get a good FS for under $1000.. so they just ask $1000 and people will think its good.

I was looking around ebay and found this thing (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Full-Suspension-Mountain-Bike-w-JUICY-7-Disc-Brakes_W0QQitemZ170006427880QQihZ007QQcategoryZ98083QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem). Just reading the components list made me laugh..... I can't believe they want 1000+ for that thing.

i am always amazed that, in light of the today's electronic media availability, someone who has no idea of their facts and rides a POC themselves, would go on an international board and libel some poor vendor who is trying to sell their bike...a person who could successfully sue for damages if their deal fell through because of this post.

To set the record straight, this is a great price for this bike, see:

http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/xc_full_suspension/product_127175.shtml

and

http://pinnaclebikes.com/

Its a factory build, a bit of a comprimise to allow some great components and still be affordable to most, but he UPGRADED the fork to the RST...they make a great XC fork, but because they supply a lot of the forks to mid-range mfg's, people think they're cheap...they're inexpensive, not cheap

Also, the frame is a variation of the ICT design, patented by Ellsworth, and now used by Turner, and a few other tier 1 mfg's

Probably too late to apologize to a fellow rider who is just try to sell his bike for half of what it cost

i am always amazed that, in light of the today's electronic media availability, someone who has no idea of their facts and rides a POC themselves, would go on an international board and libel some poor vendor who is trying to sell their bike...a person who could successfully sue for damages if their deal fell through because of this post.

To set the record straight, this is a great price for this bike, see:

http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/xc_full_suspension/product_127175.shtml

and

http://pinnaclebikes.com/

Its a factory build, a bit of a comprimise to allow some great components and still be affordable to most, but he UPGRADED the fork to the RST...they make a great XC fork, but because they supply a lot of the forks to mid-range mfg's, people think they're cheap...they're inexpensive, not cheap

Also, the frame is a variation of the ICT design, patented by Ellsworth, and now used by Turner, and a few other tier 1 mfg's

Probably too late to apologize to a fellow rider who is just try to sell his bike for half of what it cost


Yea, that is a great bike. I mean look at the link, there is 1 review and the guy is new to mtbiking. That sure is a reliable source. Strickly speaking all of the components are sub par for the 1000 dollar range. Bottom line. Anyone who would pay 2700 for that bike is completely off their rocker. You can get really great quality dualies for 2700, with a way greater component spec.

MRSP, on the Pinnacle site, $1999, most LBS's will sell for less.

OK so one review, how many people do you know that ride this bike and can speak with some knowledge?

So...what gives anyone the right to ridicule this vendor...you got a problem with the bike, post the Pinnacle site and have a laugh at their expense

Poor Guy is just trying to sell his bike ...go and have a laugh at: http://pinnaclebikes.com/ , why not e-mail them and tell them they make a POC, something not worth the asking price

Jeez

Also, the frame is a variation of the ICT design, patented by Ellsworth, and now used by Turner, and a few other tier 1 mfg's


Not important to the topic at all, just wanted to mention that turner is no longer licensing ICT off of Ellsworth. They went with a different design for '06.

Chill jm01 - the guy's entitled to get whatever he can for his bikes, I don't think anyone is disputing that - but:

1. Whether or not you know this guy and feel like sticking up for him, this is maybe a $700-900 bike. That's not based on wanting to attack him, that's based on the parts specced for the bike - period. If someone wants to pay more, it's their wallet.

2. I will, however, attack this guy on the basis of his possibly doctored/possibly bogus eBay feedback - 1217 positives in the last 6 months looked a iittle fishy (that's a lot of bikes!) so i took a look at some of his past auctions. Nearly all of seem to be for some $.01 "guide to purchasing a bike" - in many cases "won" by eBay users with low feedback totals, many of whom are no longer registered users. Extremely fishy.

I wouldn't buy a spoke nipple from this guy, much less a bike.

i am always amazed that, in light of the today's electronic media availability, someone who has no idea of their facts and rides a POC themselves, would go on an international board and libel some poor vendor who is trying to sell their bike...a person who could successfully sue for damages if their deal fell through because of this post.


So, can the purchaser of the bike also sue the seller when they find that it will not fit "most from 5'4" - 6'4"", probably weights a lot more than 28 lbs, the rear shock is not the "highest breed of shocks available today", and that it is the "best" compared to a Manitou Swinger and Fox products?

With the jargon this guy's using, I doubt he's ever been on a bike in his life. This is what ticks me off about some Ebay sellers. Their sites sound so authoritative to those that don't know any better, but they're really just spewing incorrect information to fatten their pockets.

bike specs in at 22 lb and fit is unique to the rider...i'm 5'10", ride 17", 19" and 21" bikes that have very similar fits (my 17" is huge compared to the 21")...any purchaser would want to know the length of the top tube anyway before they could determine the fit

also, his copynotes are right off the pinnacle web site...he just lifted most of the "jargon" from their page

there you go...

2 pages of ridicule for something that you should have included in the OP and has nothing to do with the bike.

still, as someone asked initialy...why is this the worst bike ever?...because the vendor is suspect??

perhaps the thread title should have been "worst vendor ever"?

Jeez

bike specs in at 22 lb and fit is unique to the rider...i'm 5'10", ride 17", 19" and 21" bikes that have very similar fits (my 17" is huge compared to the 21")...any purchaser would want to know the length of the top tube anyway before they could determine the fit

also, his copynotes are right off the pinnacle web site...he just lifted most of the "jargon" from their page

What are you smoking? The components alone on this bike probably weigh 22lbs or more.

And how can a 17" bike be bigger than a 21" bike?

bike specs in at 22 lb and fit is unique to the rider...i'm 5'10", ride 17", 19" and 21" bikes that have very similar fits (my 17" is huge compared to the 21")...any purchaser would want to know the length of the top tube anyway before they could determine the fit

also, his copynotes are right off the pinnacle web site...he just lifted most of the "jargon" from their page

1) I seriously doubt that this bike weighs in at a scant 22 lbs. That's carbon S-Works Epic territory. Do you honestly think that's an accurate figure?

2) My point is that the same bike that fits someone 5'4" will not fit someone 6'4" properly.

3) Since he didn't make up the fake claims himself, it's not a big deal that he's trying to sell an overpriced/under spec'd bike? If I was trying to make a living or even just a buck selling a product, I'd take responsibility to learn about what I'm selling first and make sure I'm providing value. This guy just saw a quick way to make a buck and doesn't care whether what he wrote was true or not.

square tapered cranks are the worst

just sayin'

I'm with jm01 on this one. Worst bike? Hardly. Just visit your local Next bike dealer, and you still haven't seen the worst.

Worst vendor? Definitely not. The worst are the ones who offer Cannondale Scalpels for $00.01

What I will never understand is why people assume Made in Asia is worse than Made in USA, seriously, what makes you think that?

It is an outrageous claim.

I think that both of these frames are worse than THE canadian frames... :p

Just kidding I exactly think the same thing than you..

i am always amazed that, in light of the today's electronic media availability, someone who has no idea of their facts and rides a POC themselves, would go on an international board and libel some poor vendor who is trying to sell their bike...a person who could successfully sue for damages if their deal fell through because of this post.

I call bullshlt. It's called freedom of speech.

Okay, I disagree with everyone. There most certainly is a worst bike ever, it's just not this one. The worst bike ever is the one that has to suffer through life unridden. As long as the owner of a bike gets out and enjoys it then it is the best bike ever. I don't give a crap if it is a Santa Cruz, a Ellsworth, Specialized, Pinnacle, or a Next.

square tapered cranks are the worst

just sayin'

I'm with jm01 on this one. Worst bike? Hardly. Just visit your local Next bike dealer, and you still haven't seen the worst.

Worst vendor? Definitely not. The worst are the ones who offer Cannondale Scalpels for $00.01

Whats wrong with square tapers?

And if you have a scalpel you want to sell for $0.01, I'll take it.