Australia - New Zealand - The Aussie thread. . . part cinq.

I don't agree with the bombardments but I wonder what we might do if we were in their position??

Go ridin'?

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My 2c...Religion is an excuse for corruption and money laundering!

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My 2c...Religion is an excuse for corruption and money laundering!

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and wattsy..seriously mate, we would just find a workable solution and get on with life...50% of something is better than 100% off nothing.

This is a very complex subject and needs about a week to fully describe it. The short version is that the Islamic religion was bourne from Judaisms a few hundred years back because Mohamed felt that Judaism wasn't 'strict' enough for him. His teachings went further and became a faith, in cases where fundamentalists not only honour their own religion but scourne others...especially Judaism.

The fact that Islam was bourne from Judaism means that Jerusalem is sacred to both religions. Now, Israel (full of Jews) owns Jerusalem and all Muslims hate them for this. The Muslim fundamentalists have therefor carried out a 'holy war' against Isreal for the last however many years (not sure how long), which has been fought by primarily suicide bombings. Israel in retaliation has created a 'safe zone' around them by a 'big ass' wall, and then has bombed, shot, destroyed ANYONE they suspected of planning, facilitating, assisting or in any other way participating in the bombings.

The USA has 'assisted' Isreal by supplying weaponry and intelligence. Also, Israel has reportedly lot's of nukes which apparently the US has assisted in supplying the materials. You might ask why the US assists and then doesn't stop Israel from bombing. As far as I can tell, it's for 2 reasons. Firstly, the US have their own war with Fundamentalist Muslims and they don't want to 'nobble' their key allie in this war. Secondly, the Jewish community in the USA is VERY powerful, both with politic and economic influence. No one in power is going to mess with the Jews!!!

With respect to the recent attacks...this is a demonstration of absolute power by Israel. Israel is almost surrounded by Islamic States and they are showing the whole Muslim world that they are prepared to fight the Muslim community if they have to AND they have the fire power.

I don't agree with the bombardments but I wonder what we might do if we were in their position??

Hey, didn't the Allies set up the state of Israel after WWII as some kind of 'Sorry for the Holocaust, here, have a country' type deal? That's always been my uneducated knowledge on the subject.

Like with most situations in foreign policy, I kinda like the irony of it all. Set up a state for the persecuted....so then they can then persecute the Palestinians in some weird 2000 year vendetta....and oh here, have our support while you do it.

I can't imagine what sort of a nightmare that sh¡thole must be like to live in. Kids throwing rocks at you daily....compulsory military service....penis disfigured in bizarre ritual....no wonder some Jews are so **** up. :D

With all this hullaballoo about 'Terrorism', how much funding from the USA has gone to the IRA and Mossad/Israel?

Hey, didn't the Allies set up the state of Israel after WWII as some kind of 'Sorry for the Holocaust, here, have a country' type deal? That's always been my uneducated knowledge on the subject.

Like with most situations in foreign policy, I kinda like the irony of it all. Set up a state for the persecuted....so then they can then persecute the Palestinians in some weird 2000 year vendetta....and oh here, have our support while you do it.

I can't imagine what sort of a nightmare that sh¡thole must be like to live in. Kids throwing rocks at you daily....compulsory military service....penis disfigured in bizarre ritual....no wonder some Jews are so **** up. :D

With all this hullaballoo about 'Terrorism', how much funding from the USA has gone to the IRA and Mossad/Israel?


....but far more pressing as an international issue........does anyone understand that stoopid Renault magane ad that SBS insist on showing 5000 times per night? :D

Oh boy......3 riders just went arse over one of the barriers on the side of the road. Verbrugge looks pretty messed up.

Man, I get busy for a few days, they move the freaking thread and there's 13 pages of rubbish that I don't have time to read through. Anything important I should know? Oh wait, this it TAT, it's all just random spew.

I can't help but notice that the Tour has been dropped in favor of political discussion. If I were to choose sides, I wouldn't be supporting the country that sends their children across the border with explosive belts under their pajamas, with orders to go blow up as many innocent civilians as possible. And if I were to be placing bets on which side was going to come out ahead (there's no winner in war) I wouldn't put my money on the country where they're throwing rocks at 20 foot tall tanks.

Wow, somebody didn't get any last night :lol:

compulsory military service....penis disfigured in bizarre ritual....
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Helmets are better than rockets.:p

Wow, somebody didn't get any last night :lol:

Nah, I just call 'em like I see 'em.

Man, I get busy for a few days, they move the freaking thread and there's 13 pages of rubbish that I don't have time to read through. Anything important I should know?

Hitchy's been banned from saying seppo in the open forums. He gotted biatch slapped by Koffee and Marty ran awy and hid.

I can't help but notice that the Tour has been dropped in favor of political discussion. If I were to choose sides, I wouldn't be supporting the country that sends their children across the border with explosive belts under their pajamas, with orders to go blow up as many innocent civilians as possible.

I wouldnt be supporting the side that kills civillians willy nilly either. Or blowing up as much infrastructure as possible. Or going through Palestine with the machine gun in 67. Or kicking out the christain armenians that have been in the holy lands for a very long time.

**** Israel, **** Palestine and the other rabble.
**** the Yanks for coming up with the military tatic that killing civilians is effective.

on a lighter note...how about those Wallabies? What a great win !!

Just caught the TdF higlights on Foxtel - that crash was pretty ugly! Does Kessler get the trick cyclist award of the tour? The guy must be tough as, to get up and keep riding after that.

Anyone have any tips on how to stay awake long enough to see live broadcast? We've only managed to do that once in the last two weeks. :(

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Helmets are better than rockets.:p
:lol:

on a lighter note...how about those Wallabies? What a great win !!

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on a lighter note...how about those Wallabies? What a great win !!

sure was, now we just have to work out how to beat NZ.....

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Anyone have any tips on how to stay awake long enough to see live broadcast? We've only managed to do that once in the last two weeks. :(


Pick the stages you want to watch, no point watching the boring ones across the medeterainian (you get the idea).
Do not lie down on the coach.
Do drink something, coffee or beer
Do leave the heater on.
Do turn the volume up.

matagi - tape the last hour, go to bed early, get up at 6am, watch the last hour, then go to work. Saves trying to stay awake until 2am every night.

sure was, now we just have to work out how to beat NZ.....
Tell him he's dreamin :p

sure was, now we just have to work out how to beat NZ.....

We could start by fielding a team that knows hw to play the game, and wants to try to win. Bunch of pansies the current mob.

Hitchy's been banned from saying seppo in the open forums. He gotted biatch slapped by Koffee and Marty ran awy and hid.

When/where was this?

i think we can beat NZ - theres more psychological differences there than talent next workd cup will be a shocker though if they dont start blooding more new talent. NZ's idea of 2 seperate test teams is brilliant for that.

So did anything come of the seppogate issue? or do i now have to run around insisting that all the yanks( wouldnt that be offensive to like half the US population??) call me Australian and not Assie, esp not Assi, for full respect as they dont understand my cultural heratige?

When/where was this?

http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=2774093&postcount=245

Easy - work for yourself, stay up til 2am, start work at 10 the next morning. I'm only staying up for the good stages though. The flat stages I just assume Robbie will win.

Hmm I'm getting somewhere with the history of this.
Check out 100 years worth of maps of the middle east .... http://www.dartmouth.edu/~gov46/

So Palestine goes from being Ottoman (Turkish) and pretty much the whole of the middle east until WW1, when Britain promises an independent Arab state covering most of the Middle East in exchange for support in the war, which went well, but ahem, then we get the British Mandate of Palestine which then gets split up by the poms, and bits get handballed around with the french between the wars,
with almost exactly what is now Israel being called Palestine from September 11!!!,1922. Jewish population is 11%.
Talk of a Jewish homeland builds, is encouraged by Britain and Jewish immigration from Europe begins skyrocketing. Major land ownership disputes with the locals lead to a violent Arab uprising and so the Brits trained up an elite Jewish military force.
Then WW2, everyone starts attacking everyone else, the Brits want to get out, 1945 Jewish pop. 31%.

Oodles of different proposals to share the space, 1947 the UN majority decides to split the space into two states (Australia couldn't decide and abstained:o ) roughly 50-50, despite the population inbalance. Jerusalem itself supposed to stay 'international' (British controlled). The Arabs are NOT happy with the carveup, and the killing starts.
Meanwhile the neighbouring Arab states have emerged from colonialism and been encouraged by Britain to form the Arab League, but they're militarily distinct and well varied in strength.
The Israelis have been planning ahead and buying up weapons big time, and training.
1948 Britain gets out. War really starts. The US and the Soviets both denounce the Arabs for 'invading'.
Israel gradually kicks arse and eventually gets most of the land, keeps Jerusalem, and we're left with only two Palestinian "settlements" at the extreme southwest (Gaza) and east(West Bank). Refugees all over from both sides. Reprisals all round.



It hasn't really got much better since then. And I reckon the Arabs got screwed out of their land pretty royally, and it wasn't just by the Jews, although they picked up the ball and ran with it given the chance. Some huge deceits by the West all the way through.
And every attempt by the Arabs to defend their turf gets labelled 'terrorism'.:mad: I dunno why they get explosive shirty.

theres more psychological differences there than talent
*puts on best McEnroe
"You cannot be serious" :eek:
I cant think of a Wobbalie who would get in the NZ 1-2's squad never mind the team!

If anyone has a psych problem it's NZ cause they should be whipping all comers when it counts... eg. France, Australia.

Actually South Africa has a bigger player base, so given the potential for talent they should have far better to choose from.

What annoys me the most about ra ra is the current trend of puchasing league " talent " Wendell was rubbish, Rogers cant keep his ankle togeather, but Tuquiri is brilliant. that aside, it doenst look good for the future of the game at a club level when the ARU spends money hand over fist for league players, when dedicated rugby players have been busting thier asses, earning no where near the cash and staying loyal to the code only to be passed over for the next big experiment....

Johns is the classic example of this. good as he is in league, he would have been rubbish in Union.

Johns is the classic example of this. good as he is in league, he would have been rubbish in Union.
I reckon he would have shown his class!
Lots of time at 5/8 in rara to pick his kicks and passes
His only problem might have been pace since he's getting on...still we'll never know :( !

HD, wheres your comments on the F1?
Odin, nothing to say on Motogp?
& i'm looking forward to thunders incisive commentary now we are getting into the alps!

F1 sucks. i only look for the results now. when they stop pit stop racing ill watch again.

MotoGP was pure sex. 4 guys fighting for it right to the end, last corner last lap stuff. things that MotoGP is just famous for these days. totaly awesome and a gerat win for Vale. hell im not even a Vale fan! grat to see Pedrosa and Hayden leaning on each other pretty hard. no love lost there!

v much looking fwd to the WSBK this weekend. go Bayliss!

2nd hand set of American Classics 420s $450. Are they worth it?

*puts on best McEnroe
"You cannot be serious" :eek:
I cant think of a Wobbalie who would get in the NZ 1-2's squad never mind the team!

If anyone has a psych problem it's NZ cause they should be whipping all comers when it counts... eg. France, Australia.

nz has rendered themselves irrelevent due to their consistent ability to peak inbetween worldcups...

Good summation there bbw. It's all propaganda huh. Imperialism has never done anyone any good, except of course make Spain, Portugal, England and the US incredibly rich because of their waring plunderous ways. The height of irony is that we're (The West) the biggest terrorists of them all.

"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it."
-Noam Chomsky

Anyway.....what's the word on Verbrugge? Ooop....thank you cyclingnews, he's out with a well broken femur.

yellow gloves, yellow helmet, yellow bike... green everything, polka dot everything, when does it end.... Just wear the freakin' jersey you clowns !

yellow gloves, yellow helmet, yellow bike... green everything, polka dot everything, when does it end.... Just wear the freakin' jersey you clowns !
Like in boxing...when do you reckon we'll start to see riders with those temporary tatoos on their legs advertising stuff? Thats a lot of real-estate going begging!
Especially if your are der kaiser:eek:

face paint?

And hey, the All Blacks resemble that remark. Then failure to deliver at World Cups plunges the populace into depression.

yellow gloves, yellow helmet, yellow bike... green everything, polka dot everything, when does it end.... Just wear the freakin' jersey you clowns !

Only Cipo had the style to carry off the whole co-ordinated look. :D All others should respect the style king and cease trying to imitate him!!!

BTW... It makes for much better Monday at work when a parcel from PBK arrives....mmm new pedals:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Cqm7tN1cA&search=iron%20sheik

bwahahaha!

F1 sucks. i only look for the results now. when they stop pit stop racing ill watch again.

MotoGP was pure sex. 4 guys fighting for it right to the end, last corner last lap stuff. things that MotoGP is just famous for these days. totaly awesome and a gerat win for Vale. hell im not even a Vale fan! grat to see Pedrosa and Hayden leaning on each other pretty hard. no love lost there!

v much looking fwd to the WSBK this weekend. go Bayliss!


Was awesome. Looked like a 125cc race.

any excuse to post this pic
Pretty slack of you posting a pic of him on his skiing holiday:D

Nice Huffys! You can get those at your local K-mart ;)

hmmmmm. Looks like Sir Elton had a bigger influence on the peloton that i originally gave him credit for!

I used to have those JT sunnies.....in fluro yellow. :o :D

Oh, and those Huffys are probably Serottas I'd be guessing.

I used to have those JT sunnies.....in fluro yellow. :o :D

Oh, and those Huffys are probably Serottas I'd be guessing.
No-way.....?:rolleyes:

this also must've been a skiing trip

Looks steep enough for skiing anyway :)

F1 sucks. i only look for the results now. when they stop pit stop racing ill watch again.

MotoGP was pure sex. 4 guys fighting for it right to the end, last corner last lap stuff. things that MotoGP is just famous for these days. totaly awesome and a gerat win for Vale. hell im not even a Vale fan! grat to see Pedrosa and Hayden leaning on each other pretty hard. no love lost there!

v much looking fwd to the WSBK this weekend. go Bayliss!

I've gone right off the whole car racing thing, only watch the MotoGP these days, SBK I can take or leave but mostly leave. Although, that said, there was some mildly entertaining stuff about the Dutton Rally on Ch9 yesterday.

Too bad the 125's were on last and therefore clashed with the TdF coverage, 'coz I reckon that's the most enertaining racing these days although the tussle between Hayden and Pedrosa made for good viewing. Takahashi's dive past de Angelis on the last corner was pretty good too (in the 250's for those who may not recognise the names)

So is this an omen, an indication I have been eating too many pies or just practice for my crashing technique?

5 minutes before leaving my customer's site this afternoon the office chair I was sitting on broke and sent me sprawling aganist a bookshelf.

One benefit was that most of the staff there are women and they all came rushing and were fussing about wanting to know if I was OK :) I explained that after my recent experience at vehicular skittles and that crashing into the bookshelf was nothing :p

hmmmm........where from? Someone you trust?

you're small and light, right?

probably a good price if they're in good condition, but I assume the bearings are sealed, so I guess they can be replaced in worn


Hey Expat would you trust Maurice enough to buy a second hand set of wheels?
Im factoring in that I would need to replace the bearings.

any excuse to post this pic

http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/images/05cipo/$file/2.jpg

Nice perm! :D

Hitchy's been banned from saying seppo in the open forums. He gotted biatch slapped by Koffee and Marty ran awy and hid.


.....reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated! :D.....No sense of humour, seppo's!....I have plenty more to say on the subject but I'm scared of xenophobic fascists!....(especially while the tour is on!)