Australia - New Zealand - The Aussie thread. . . part cinq.

Welcome Canucks, Poms, Seppos, and other worldly cycling types to Part 4 of the (in)famous 'The Aussie Thread'!

Because we're too 'antipodean' to figure out AIM, Messenger, or any of that other guff, we have our own hovell in cyberspace (yeah, you're reading it) where we talk incessantly about crap that not only makes no sense but also features no mention of Fosters, Outback Steak House, or Crocodiles. Or probably even bikes for that matter.

So anyway, stick your Babelfish in your ear, switch on your sarcasm and irony chips and join in so we can all take the p1$$ outta you.

Bewdy.

I dropped 14kg after getting back on the bike for 6 months after a long Winter hiatus last year. I got up to 105kgs and last Summer I was 91. Now I'm 95kgs and get a sore bum after just an hours' riding.

That's what happens when your job is also your hobby, people. Maybe I should've been an accountant like Wattsy? ;)

HDT, shifting the last 10kg seems to be the hardest thing.

Miles, patience, maybe some cross-training so the body has to consume energy differently. Dunno wot the answer is. Maybe ed might be able to provide some clues.

//snip// from memory I think all I did was cut out the afternoon muffin.

agreed, when i stopped cycling last year for 3 or 4 months cause of my coughing issues, i was back at 88 odd kilos like it was a race and my life depended on it.... after starting base again i was down to around 81 in a matter of weeks. 79 - 78 seems to be standard but i wasnt watching what i was eating at all and on analysis the fit day thingy showed i was consuming way too much fat and not any where near enough carbos, hence the flatness problems i was getting during hard training weeks and also probably leading me to get sick all the time.

I also do upper body weights 2 - 3 times a week to get a bit of variety in and also as a vain attempt to build some muscle to keep Mrs HDT happy....


don't rely on the seppo equivalents of food, use the custom option and enter the nutritional info for anything you eat on a regular basis

way ahead of you there. i have entered most of what i eat into the custom foods. the only things i use the stock measurments for are for salads, veggies, dried fruit and nuts, generally things which i cant find clear information on. the biggest shocker to me on the weekend was how much fat is in quiche , holy moly! i felt like i put on 3 kilos just looking at it!

It's amazing how little you can eat when sitting on your bum in front of a computer, but as soon as you get back on the bike if you don't ramp up the carbs majorly, you die in the arse bigtime.

mmmm.....homemade quiche. :D

Actually, quick change of topic (mainly because we're sounding like a pack of women and I don't want to give matagi too much insight into the male psyche) - any of you guys fans of 80's metal? I don't mean ACDC or Metallica either - bands like Kreator, Coronor, Sodom, Entombed, Morbild Angel....that kinda thing.

What annoys me about weight loss is when I do a BMI check. Based on my current weight of 90kg's I'm still consider overweight and verging on obese. WTF, forget about the fact that my resting HR is 60 BPM, I can ride 100+ k's, swim 3+ k's and run 20+ k's. I wonder what egg head made this up?

BMI is a guide only and it is actually pretty crap. It doesn't work on fit, muscular, individuals. It was basically formulated for the "average" person and I hate to break it to you Wattsy, but the average person does not ride 100+ k's, swim 3+ k's and run 20+ k's. So guess what? It ain't gonna work for you. :)

A better method is to measure percentage body fat. Those scales that claim to measure body fat are not very accurate so use them as a very general guide only. Skin fold thickness measurements are sort of okay but very operator dependent - you basically have to measure in the same spot every time using the same amount of caliper pressure etc, etc. The really accurate way to do it is by immersion but that is not generally available and if anyone is offering it, you can bet it will cost.

What annoys me about weight loss is when I do a BMI check. Based on my current weight of 90kg's I'm still consider overweight and verging on obese. WTF, forget about the fact that my resting HR is 60 BPM, I can ride 100+ k's, swim 3+ k's and run 20+ k's. I wonder what egg head made this up?

In my opinion BMI is a dodgy indicator & not really of any use bar a rough guide for the couch potato. For one thing with muscle weighing more than fat you can be lean & muscled & still have a BMI that indicates you are overweight. It also does not take into account any level of fitness, nor body type etc.

But it makes for easy, simple to calculate stats for shows like ACA etc to quote so their learned viewers can understand. :rolleyes:


EDIT: Oops - matagi is a faster typer than me!

...the biggest shocker to me on the weekend was how much fat is in quiche , holy moly! i felt like i put on 3 kilos just looking at it! ...and you want to admit you eat quiche???:p :o :D

... Skin fold thickness measurements are sort of okay but very operator dependent - you basically have to measure in the same spot every time using the same amount of caliper pressure etc, etc. The really accurate way to do it is by immersion but that is not generally available and if anyone is offering it, you can bet it will cost. I had the skin fold done 2 weeks back...reasonably happy with the result...and I'm not saying any more!

It's amazing how little you can eat when sitting on your bum in front of a computer, but as soon as you get back on the bike if you don't ramp up the carbs majorly, you die in the arse bigtime.

mmmm.....homemade quiche. :D

The Matagi household is having leek and goat's cheese quiche (homemade) for dinner tomorrow. Yum :D

...and you want to admit you eat quiche???:p :o :D
It's ok as long as you call it egg and bacon pie :D

The Matagi household is having leek and goat's cheese quiche (homemade) for dinner tomorrow. Yum :D


the matagi household sounds like a good place to dine at :)

I wonder what egg head made this up?


insurance agencies.
Who else would come up with a measure that is next to useless if you are fit?

Hey Jock, Mr Matagi wants to know which posts you thought were his - I have to admit I'm curious too.
(I'm guessing the car ones, but any others?)

...and you want to admit you eat quiche???:p :o :D

Hay, when you live with a herbivore, you quicly learn not to ask questions and just eat!

:lol:

FYI, i did a dunk test a few years back at a "sports lab".

Caliper (Jackson&Pollock formula) measured 13%, the dunk and the Durnin&Wormsley calculation were both 18.8%.

I am 6' 0" and was 152.5 lbs (it was in the US, hence the lbs measure) at the time. It was fun to do but it was bloody cold... and the VO2 test was farkin painful.

It's amazing how little you can eat when sitting on your bum in front of a computer, but as soon as you get back on the bike if you don't ramp up the carbs majorly, you die in the arse bigtime.
+1, I'm suffering from this 'geek sydrome'!
When I get in a good training routine, I eat lots and generally well.
If i'm not training regularly (read every 1-2 days) then my appetite just drops off to nothing. Even when I know i'm gonna train/race in maybe 2 days time I cant find the appetite to eat and store food :mad:

My normal body weight is about 70-72Kgs, I was 78Kgs when I arrived in Aus and training really hard (gym only - nothing else to do when I was in London :o ), and had put on the 6-8 KGs in 6 months :eek:.
After picking up the road bike, I shot down to an all time low of 67KGs in Dec last year when I was probably as fit as I have been (read still pretty slow, ask Climbo and Jock :o )

From a 72KG base, I reckon I could add 5Kgs in <3months, lose it in <2months. So after all that...
I just wish I could find a consistant appetite and stop feeling like i'm 'carb' bonking every ride :(

Pshaw, I'm shocked - I thought a good Scottish lad would know about the benefits of porridge.

A good bowlful about 1-2 hours before you hit the road and you will be on fire. :D

Pshaw, I'm shocked - I thought a good Scottish lad would know about the benefits of porridge.

A good bowlful about 1-2 hours before you hit the road and you will be on fire. :D
I love my porridge, especially with rhubarb!
Just no appetite if I havent trained....:(
I can wake at 0600 drive to work and not eat until 1300-1400 without really being that hungry...:mad:

I love my porridge, especially with rhubarb!
Just no appetite if I havent trained....:(
I can wake at 0600 drive to work and not eat until 1300-1400 without really being that hungry...:mad:

Yeah, I get that problem sometimes, but if you are about to go out on a big ride, you need to fuel up.
Under those circumstances, I force myself to eat and yes, that can be difficult. :(

Geezus...leave you blokes alone for a few hours while I go earn a quid & then go riding & WHAT.........next you'll be swapping recipes & knitting patterns! :D

When the weather picks up, I think the SydneySiders/ Central Coasters on TAT will need to organise a ride followed by a "barbie". Any takers? Any thoughts on a ride?

Not excluding the mexicans or kiwis btw...

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i know im a bit late, but does this mean you got your gear back? hope so!

When the weather picks up, I think the SydneySiders/ Central Coasters on TAT will need to organise a ride followed by a "barbie". Any takers? Any thoughts on a ride?

Not excluding the mexicans or kiwis btw...

im in.

another one of our boys down today...

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,19765820-5001028,00.html

When the weather picks up, I think the SydneySiders/ Central Coasters on TAT will need to organise a ride followed by a "barbie". Any takers? Any thoughts on a ride?

Not excluding the mexicans or kiwis btw...

did u say 'barbie' what is that? stripper?? did you say we could get a stripper called "barbie" after the ride...i read that right didnt i??? :D :p

did u say 'barbie' what is that? stripper?? did you say we could get a stripper called "barbie" after the ride...i read that right didnt i??? :D :p
Bludy hell, Jock gave me a stern talking to about calling a "barbie" a "Barbie"....
Now it turns out "barbie" is existence's local stripper?

Anyone for a BBQ?

Did I mention I can get cracking deals on Zipps? :D


so whats this "cracking" deal you can get on Zipps?
:D

so whats this "cracking" deal you can get on Zipps?
:D
An old question but...
Any comments on Ksyrium SL's if they are almost unused and going for a song?

Bludy hell, Jock gave me a stern talking to about calling a "barbie" a "Barbie"....
Now it turns out "barbie" is existence's local stripper?

Anyone for a BBQ?

stick with a term like 'cook up' or even 'sizzle fest' lol rather than the term 'barbie' for some reason its just an off limits term these days....or you could just carry on calling it a 'barbie' and to hell with what jock or me say :p :D

stick with a term like 'cook up' or even 'sizzle fest' lol rather than the term 'barbie'

how about feed station?

An old question but...
Any comments on Ksyrium SL's if they are almost unused and going for a song?

I've got Ksyriums & find them to be good. I think Hitchy has them too...

Don't think Tiger-boy is a fan. Perhaps they lack "hand-built" cred :p

i know im a bit late, but does this mean you got your gear back? hope so!

It does indeed. I'm a lucky, lucky man.
They were at a house a couple hundred metres from where I'd left them. They'd picked them up and then on the weekend their son found one of the signs I'd put up. They didn't ring me til last night, but no complaints, at least they rang me! I'm glad I hadn't bought replacements on Monday or Tuesday!
So I bought him a 1GB ipod shuffle as a thankyou and picked 'em up this morning.
Dropped off some beers to the stores that had gone to the trouble of quoting a 3 page list of tools I didn't end up needing to buy and all's well all round.
I feel all warm and cuddly about the world.

stick with a term like 'cook up' or even 'sizzle fest' lol

Just don't call it a "sausage-fest" :lol:

Top result bbw!! And nice karma with the rewards you gave out too. :)

Perhaps they lack "hand-built" cred :p


Damn ****ing straight!

Next set of wheels of mine will be built by Maurice

Or if thylo's "cracking" deal on zipps is still up, I'll consider them

how about feed station?

yep we could rattle up the cattle (go for a ride) and meet back back at the feed station - that will play hehehe...but 'barbie'....well she is definately a stripper if you ask me :)

It does indeed. I'm a lucky, lucky man.
They were at a house a couple hundred metres from where I'd left them. They'd picked them up and then on the weekend their son found one of the signs I'd put up. They didn't ring me til last night, but no complaints, at least they rang me! I'm glad I hadn't bought replacements on Monday or Tuesday!
So I bought him a 1GB ipod shuffle as a thankyou and picked 'em up this morning.
Dropped off some beers to the stores that had gone to the trouble of quoting a 3 page list of tools I didn't end up needing to buy and all's well all round.
I feel all warm and cuddly about the world.

i told you to do a 500 metre radius 'roll call' from the point of last sight....im glad it all ended out ok!!! the beer and ipod was a nice touch....nice one :D

What annoys me about weight loss is when I do a BMI check. Based on my current weight of 90kg's I'm still consider overweight and verging on obese. WTF, forget about the fact that my resting HR is 60 BPM, I can ride 100+ k's, swim 3+ k's and run 20+ k's. I wonder what egg head made this up?

BMI is a statistical generalisation, thoroughly thought out true enuf, but it's a generalisation all the same. At the end of the day it's a handy ready reckoner for quacks to use when consulting with patients who are carrying too much non-muscular weight. They clearly wouldn't use the BMI index as a guide for a 5'2 bodybuilder who weighs in at 100kg+

And nor should you. In fact forget the bloody BMI and look in the mirror. When you start to look chiselled your body fat ratio will be approaching the 'good' range. When you start to look gaunt in the face you might be overdoing it.

Just don't call it a "sausage-fest" :lol:

hehehe indeed, indeed....ahhhh i miss my uni days...we had this one hungarian guy who was over on exchange and living in our dorms at monash...we used to take him out with us to teach him some 'aussie' and told him the term for BBQ was really 'sausage festival' but if he wanted to be really cool just say 'sausage fest'...he was quite the outgoing type and we would take out to bars and send him off towards a group of girls to ask them back to our dorms for a 'sausage fest' ahhhhh those were the days...it really is priceless fun playing with europeans fresh out of 'english school'....

Geezus...leave you blokes alone for a few hours while I go earn a quid & then go riding & WHAT.........next you'll be swapping recipes & knitting patterns! :D

Speaking of knitting...

I always check out the car driving fauna on my rides. Today I sidled up to a nice MX5 convertable and whoa there was a spectacular pair of legs in a sprayed on set of black pants with gold pinstriping that followed her curves perfectly and squeezed my drool gland hard. And as if that wasn't enough she was knitting a scarf with her left hand!!! :eek: :D

you've gotta love human nature sometimes. :lol:

And as if that wasn't enough she was knitting a scarf with her left hand!!! :eek: :D


Is this some kind of code for something awesome that I simply don't understand?
Or if not, how do you knit with one hand?

squeezed my drool gland hard.
Just plain wrong!

Ok, whats a decent price for the Mavic Sl's? under 6 months old, maybe ridden twice?

How much are Zipp 404's in the shops here?

Prebuilt wheels are all fine and dandy if you couldn't be stuffed, well, getting a pair of wheels built, but otherwise they're expensive for what they are, aren't necessarily light or aero, so you're paying for convenience basically.

Plus, I hate being like eveyone else. :D

Check out these hubs for sex on a (quick release) skewer....

www.soul-kozak.com

You can build these into a wheelset for the same price as Ksyriums but THREE HUNDRED GRAMS LIGHTER.

So whatchagunnado?

Is this some kind of code for something awesome that I simply don't understand?


It's code (this is a family thread after all :rolleyes:).

Think Divinyls

How much are Zipp 404's in the shops here?

Prebuilt wheels are all fine and dandy if you couldn't be stuffed, well, getting a pair of wheels built, but otherwise they're expensive for what they are, aren't necessarily light or aero, so you're paying for convenience basically.

Plus, I hate being like eveyone else. :D

Check out these hubs for sex on a (quick release) skewer....

www.soul-kozak.com

You can build these into a wheelset for the same price as Ksyriums but THREE HUNDRED GRAMS LIGHTER.


So whatchagunnado?

404's $2.5K give or take a few bob. 300Gms lighter than ksyriums???.....so that would be 1250g odd....for clinchers that will hold a 90kg er???. Unheard of...tell me more......(I can't open that link)

It's code (this is a family thread after all :rolleyes:).

Think Divinyls

very ordinary 80's band with a skank for a lead singer????

very ordinary 80's band with a skank for a lead singer????
Touche ;)

I've got Ksyriums & find them to be good. I think Hitchy has them too...

Don't think Tiger-boy is a fan. Perhaps they lack "hand-built" cred :p I have them too. Haven't ridden on them yet, but I'm sure they're fast.

I have them too. Haven't ridden on them yet, but I'm sure they're fast.
So what are they worth?