Foo - Top speed of a pomeranian?

So I was heading back in after a ride that was much harder than I thought it was going to be, when I hear a growling behind me. I was on a slight rise and could only manage about 16mph. I look back and this little ball of fur is coming up on me. I slowed down to let him get close so that I could check how fast he was moving. I clocked him at 15mph, but he was probably moving faster than that before. Anybody know what the top speed of a pomeranian is?

If I'm going to have dogs chasing me on a ride, I'll take those little buggers any day!

Should have slammed on your brakes and let him pass you like they did on Top Gun with that MIG.:lol:

I've seen one go as fast as 65. Of course, it was tied to the bumper so I'm not sure if that counts.

Laden or unladen?

Last time I got close to one it was standing very still. Actually it was cowering in a corner with my bird holding it at bay. A macaw will have that effect on most mammals.

Laden or unladen?
Well I think it was european at least...of course, those are migratory.:rolleyes:

What's a pomeranian? I'm confused. A ball of fur? I guess some land-bound mammal?

Last time I got close to one it was standing very still. Actually it was cowering in a corner with my bird holding it at bay. A macaw will have that effect on most mammals.

Including people. :p

Those big beaks usually do a pretty good job of intimidating just about anything. Heh.

What's a pomeranian? I'm confused. A ball of fur? I guess some land-bound mammal?

They're little tiny noisy dogs. They have sharp little teeth, too, but I doubt they can open their mouth wide enough or jump high enough to cause any damage to a bicyclist. Watch your fingers if you crash, though.

Actually, I almost fell off from laughing so hard. Either that or it was my crying from so many hills.:(

Depends on how high you drop one from.

Depends on how high you drop one from.

i dunno. assuming a pomeranian has a similar terminal velocity to a falling human body (~120 mph), anything higher than 484 feet (call it 500 feet to be safe) would be a waste of effort. even if you dropped it from higher up (lower drag) when it reached thicker air it'd slow down to whatever pomeranian terminal velocity is. of course, if you dropped it from high enough, ablative loss from friction heating might reduce drag enough to increase the terminal velocity somewhat. might have an adverse effect on density, though.

Should have slammed on your brakes and let him pass you like they did on Top Gun with that MIG.:lol:

[Larry the Cable Guy]If you don't think that's funny, you can just get the hell out of here![/Larry the Cable Guy]

Pomeranians are actually pretty quick. They can manage roughly 20 mph, but they can't sustain it for very long. I'd like to have seen the chase. That must have been hilarious.

I believe the 20MPH figure. I abhor pomeranians, they shriek, its easy piercing. They have weak joints, kind of fragile. They are more like the creature that you carry around in a purse.

Laden or unladen?

And is this a European or African pomeranian?

And is this a European or African pomeranian?
What about an Asian pomeranian? :(

Depends on how high a tower you toss it from.

So, now that I think about it, the question should be: "What's the terminal velocity of a Pomeranian?"

With a follow-up question of: "What's the drag coefficient of a Pomeranian?"

:lol:

Shaved or unshaved?

:lol:

Shaved or unshaved?
Hmmmm... good question. We'll need to conduct many experiments...

To the Pet Shop!

What about an Asian pomeranian? :(

Oh, now you're just getting silly.... :)

I have clocked my Corgi at 17 mph a few times. To be fair, he was drafting. A TT helmet would be a big improvment.

Oh, now you're just getting silly.... :)
Now now...

...silly would be if I asked about the Kenyan pomeranian. As we all know, Kenyans are endurance runners, not sprinters. :p

http://www.furrycritter.com/resources/dogs/images/Pomeranian.gif

unshaved version for those that have never seen one, usually about a foot long or so, about the size of a loaf of bread or a football

Depends on how high a tower you toss it from.
So, now that I think about it, the question should be: "What's the terminal velocity of a Pomeranian?"
With a follow-up question of: "What's the drag coefficient of a Pomeranian?"

examine my assumptions in post #12 and tell me what you think.

With a follow-up question of: "What's the drag coefficient of a Pomeranian?"

About 0.45 if they're not overweight. Head must be pointed down. I love these scientific posts!

Is the Cd of 0.45 in a full tuck, splayed out, or in some other position? (Yes, I got the head pointed down part.) :p

with a Cd of .45 how far could I punt one given a foot speed of about 75mph and a 8lb pomeranian? (optimal angle of launch assumed of course)

It's really a question of weight ratios.

I wonder if it could carry a coconut?

(Geek Test)

with a Cd of .45 how far could I punt one given a foot speed of about 75mph and a 8lb pomeranian? (optimal angle of launch assumed of course)

This is a trick question. Of course the Cd will alter after impact. Combine that with a possible loss of mass after impact and you have too many unknown variables to accurately calculate distance. But if I had to hazard a guess I would say 35 feet.

hmmm, possible loss of mass, I hadnt considered that, 35 feet would be plenty though

when I was young and out fishing with dad, whenever we caught a blowfish he always tickled it then punted it like a football after it inflated itself into a ball, wish I had video of some of the things he used to do

Why not just assume ballistic flight free of air resistance to get an order of magnitude estimate. pedex can always try this at high altitude in order to minimize the effects of air resistance. The human leg is about 16% of total body weight (per leg). Let's assume pedex has 20% of his weight in each leg (he's a cyclist after all) and a total weight of 160 pounds. So 32 pounds in the leg.

Assuming crudely an equal distribution of weight along the length of the leg, this is equivalent to 16 pounds (half the weight) all moving at 75 MPH at the end of the foot. Assuming an inelastic collision with the brave pomeranian, this would result in the pomeranian being launched at 50 MPH. (Total equivalent point weights now at 1.5 times that of pedex's leg, so velocity decreases by the same factor to conserve momentum.)

The optimal launch angle is 45 degrees (again, neglecting air resistance). This works out to 35 MPH horizontally and 35 MPH vertically. Gravity's acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2 works out to 22 MPH each second, so our poor pomeranian travels upward for about 1.5 seconds, and then back down for the same period of time. In that 3 seconds' time, it covers about 150 feet.

Of course, in reality, parasitic forces such as air resistance cannot be eliminated. But I believe that given the assumptions, somewhere in the range of 100 feet doesn't seem out of the question. Of course, this requires the brave pomeranian to maintain a full tuck and smoothly sail through the air with a Cd of 0.45 the entire way. Clearly, for that to happen, this pomeranian had better be a willing participant.

Oh, and besides Cd, we care about frontal area. The brave pomeranian participating in pedex's punt probably should shave in order to minimize that frontal area.

Oh, and besides Cd, we care about frontal area. The brave pomeranian participating in pedex's punt probably should shave in order to minimize that frontal area.

I was going to point out your obvious omission. I'm glad you caught it on your own. May I also point out that if the pomeranian was coated with teflon spray we could likely increase it's distance by a few yards. Like I said, there are way too many unknown variables. :D

My son's friend has a pomeranian, named Raider (after the pro football team as chance would have it). But I feel compelled to step in and point out that whenever I go over to their house to retrieve my son, Raider becomes a frenzied ball of happy energy, and does a little dance worthy of the Flintstones to greet me. With a quick grab, I pick up the little fella, give him a few gentle pets, and he miraculously transforms into one of the most content and sweetest creatures on the face of the earth.

I can imagine him excitedly chasing someone on a bike, but only because he's so friendly and wants to play. Thinking that people might consider kicking him makes me very sad.

^^uh, its a joke dude, seriously, animal lover here, I couldnt kick a pomeranian if I wanted to, but if we are gonna discuss the drag coeficient seemed only fitting to well, go where I went

actually given the exuberance of the ones ive met I think they are misnamed, piranharanian would be more accurate, they arent shy about taking food from one's hand LOL

Funniest thread this week.

It's really a question of weight ratios.

I wonder if it could carry a coconut?

(Geek Test)

Of course it could! It could carry it by the husk, perhaps in tandem with another pomeranian.

If it were a Pekingnese then it would truly be impressive.

Why not just assume ballistic flight free of air resistance to get an order of magnitude estimate. pedex can always try this at high altitude in order to minimize the effects of air resistance. The human leg is about 16% of total body weight (per leg). Let's assume pedex has 20% of his weight in each leg (he's a cyclist after all) and a total weight of 160 pounds. So 32 pounds in the leg.

Assuming crudely an equal distribution of weight along the length of the leg, this is equivalent to 16 pounds (half the weight) all moving at 75 MPH at the end of the foot. Assuming an inelastic collision with the brave pomeranian, this would result in the pomeranian being launched at 50 MPH. (Total equivalent point weights now at 1.5 times that of pedex's leg, so velocity decreases by the same factor to conserve momentum.)

The optimal launch angle is 45 degrees (again, neglecting air resistance). This works out to 35 MPH horizontally and 35 MPH vertically. Gravity's acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2 works out to 22 MPH each second, so our poor pomeranian travels upward for about 1.5 seconds, and then back down for the same period of time. In that 3 seconds' time, it covers about 150 feet.

Of course, in reality, parasitic forces such as air resistance cannot be eliminated. But I believe that given the assumptions, somewhere in the range of 100 feet doesn't seem out of the question. Of course, this requires the brave pomeranian to maintain a full tuck and smoothly sail through the air with a Cd of 0.45 the entire way. Clearly, for that to happen, this pomeranian had better be a willing participant.


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CLASSIC!!

Hmmm. An entire thread about Pomeranians and no Lebowski references. For shame, Bikeforums. For shame.

/You can't board it. It's a showdog.