fubar5
02-08-03, 07:02 AM
Does anyone use these? If so, what is your opinion?
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Maurizio
02-08-03, 09:00 AM
I used to use them. I had the Dura-Ace on my race bike, and ultegra's on my trainer.
I hated them for the whole year that I rode them.
I'm sure you're aware of the rubber bumper thingy on the Dura-Ace model? Well that thing is what stops 'vertical' float, which is super super annoying to me. Eventually this piece wore out, and in order to for me to prevent any vertical float 'slop' in the pedal to cleat interface, I would wrap electrical tape around the pedal. While this solved the problem of the vertical float, it made it INCREDIBLY difficult to clip in and out -- you wouldn't believe how hard it was. At all red lights I wouldn't want to clip out because of the difficulty involved in doing so, and in return, I got really good at trackstanding. With the Ultegra model, the vertical float was just always there... AARRGGHHH!!!
On top of those problems, the cleats are hardly adjustable at all in a rotational manner, only fore and aft, on your shoes.
I'm now riding Keywins -- MAN! What an improvement in every respect!
- Maurizio
I hated them for the whole year that I rode them.
I'm sure you're aware of the rubber bumper thingy on the Dura-Ace model? Well that thing is what stops 'vertical' float, which is super super annoying to me. Eventually this piece wore out, and in order to for me to prevent any vertical float 'slop' in the pedal to cleat interface, I would wrap electrical tape around the pedal. While this solved the problem of the vertical float, it made it INCREDIBLY difficult to clip in and out -- you wouldn't believe how hard it was. At all red lights I wouldn't want to clip out because of the difficulty involved in doing so, and in return, I got really good at trackstanding. With the Ultegra model, the vertical float was just always there... AARRGGHHH!!!
On top of those problems, the cleats are hardly adjustable at all in a rotational manner, only fore and aft, on your shoes.
I'm now riding Keywins -- MAN! What an improvement in every respect!
- Maurizio
fubar5
02-08-03, 02:54 PM
yuk, thanks for your input.
roadbuzz
02-08-03, 09:42 PM
My experience isn't as bad as Maurizio's, I've never had any problem with the rubber bumper. I had Ultegras, but upgraded to DAs. Subsequently, I wouldn't consider any model but the DAs.
Good:
The platform is big enough to provide good foot support (no hot spots)
Reasonable amount of float (~6 degrees, more or less available w/different cleats)
Fairly low cleat offset (distance from axle to bottom of foot)
Reasonably light
Cleats have pontoons that make it easy to walk.
Bad:
There are easier cleats to clip into/out of
When new, the grease they were lubed with was so thick that they wouldn't fall into a "front pointing up" position when my foot was disengaged. I had to take them apart and replace the grease.
The screw pattern is weird. Some shoes won't take them. For a good pair of Sidi's, you'll have to cough up an extra $22 to buy right cleat adapters.
Summary:
Once I'm clipped in, I think they're great. But I've had to go to a lot of trouble getting the bugs out. My next pair will probably be Looks, or possibly SPD-SLs.
Maurizio, what are you using now?
Good:
The platform is big enough to provide good foot support (no hot spots)
Reasonable amount of float (~6 degrees, more or less available w/different cleats)
Fairly low cleat offset (distance from axle to bottom of foot)
Reasonably light
Cleats have pontoons that make it easy to walk.
Bad:
There are easier cleats to clip into/out of
When new, the grease they were lubed with was so thick that they wouldn't fall into a "front pointing up" position when my foot was disengaged. I had to take them apart and replace the grease.
The screw pattern is weird. Some shoes won't take them. For a good pair of Sidi's, you'll have to cough up an extra $22 to buy right cleat adapters.
Summary:
Once I'm clipped in, I think they're great. But I've had to go to a lot of trouble getting the bugs out. My next pair will probably be Looks, or possibly SPD-SLs.
Maurizio, what are you using now?
Maurizio
02-08-03, 10:42 PM
I'm using Keywins. The CRM Road Ti axled versions. At first I though I might flex the spindles, but they seem pretty solid since they have very wide bearing placements. I initially bought them because I was having some problems with my feet, and needed pedals with HIGHLY adjustable cleats: SPD-SL, Look, and Keywin all fit the bill. Since deciding to go with the keywins, I have been thouroughly pleased, and have bought more sets for my other bikes.
Extremely light at 195 gr per pair -- and even the cleats are light.
NO moving parts -- they will never fail you or accidentally release because of this, and it doesn't take long to get used to clipping in.
FREAKIN' HUGE Platform -- See these things in person and I think you'll agree that NO other pedal has a bigger platform.
One possible drawback however is their stack height -- it's not quite as bad as Looks (which are supposed to be something like 20 mm.) but they have more than Time, Speedplay, and SPD-SL. Frankly however, I could care less.
www.keywin.com
- Maurizio
Extremely light at 195 gr per pair -- and even the cleats are light.
NO moving parts -- they will never fail you or accidentally release because of this, and it doesn't take long to get used to clipping in.
FREAKIN' HUGE Platform -- See these things in person and I think you'll agree that NO other pedal has a bigger platform.
One possible drawback however is their stack height -- it's not quite as bad as Looks (which are supposed to be something like 20 mm.) but they have more than Time, Speedplay, and SPD-SL. Frankly however, I could care less.
www.keywin.com
- Maurizio