Fifty Plus (50+) - Ask your dumb question here...

Since the 50+ forum is generally the friendliest (I'm biased) area on BF, I thought this might be a good spot to ask the un-askable or the "I just gotta know" questions. Since I am beyond being embarrassed at this point I have two questions to ask.

1. What is the correct name for the "dork disk" and what is it's function?

2. What's the deal with pie?

I'm sure many more such probing questions will follow.

1) Don't know the actual name, but it's to keep the chain away from the spokes if it slips off the large cog. So called because "only a dork" would have such badly adjusted derailleurs.

2) It is the food of the gods. Silly man.

The official name for the dork disk is a spoke protector.

Its purpose is to protect the spokes. :D

It is intended to keep a misaligned or poorly adjusted or damaged rear derailleur from causing damage to the spokes by either wrapping the chain or itself against the spokes.

And now that you mention pie... It seems to me that long ago, before they were called dork disks, spoke protectors were called pie plates... so maybe somewhere in there is the answer to your pie question.

:D

The official name for the dork disk is a spoke protector.

Its purpose is to protect the spokes. :D

It is intended to keep a misaligned or poorly adjusted or damaged rear derailleur from causing damage to the spokes by either wrapping the chain or itself against the spokes.

And now that you mention pie... It seems to me that long ago, before they were called dork disks, spoke protectors were called pie plates... so maybe somewhere in there is the answer to your pie question.

:D
Cool, and after that I found a description on Sheldon Brown's glossary page...but no pie...

More questions...

Why does a man who weighs 300 pounds weigh different vintage cranks to figure which set to put on a heavy gas pipe bike instead of just picking the best looking set?

I know someone who did this. :rolleyes:

Why is biking as fun now as it was in our youth, and yet so many of us spent 25 years or more without a bike in between?

How many bikes is too many?

No such thing as a dumb question....just a dumb asker. :D Many months ago, a regular poster named "rck" and his riding compadre "skipper" would ride out of town in some rural backwater (Wisconsin?...a place that cherished deep fried cheese curd) and end up at a country cafe known simply as "Irma's". Irma serves heavenly blueberry pie. It became legendary. Soon there were pictures of Irma's pie being posted and salivated over. Stapfam started posting English breakfast pics including "buns"--whatever they are. "Pie" grew into an institution here-- the long sought holy grail of riding. A BF'er could think of nothing more glorious than to destroy him/herself for many miles--all for a piece of such divine pie. You could put on pounds or climb frightening grades just thinking about Irma's pie....it's "crust was effervescent and its deep blue filling as beguiling as a trollop's heart"-- or so DG testified. Anyway, pie is almost sacramental here. And that's the rest of the story.

On Monte Velo a por Mange..........we ride to eat.

Dork disk? Beats me....unless it's that plastic spoke protector on your rear wheel that prevents maladjusted rd calamities. Somebody else?

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Hey, I'm going to Wisconsisn in a couple of days! What town and place do I find this famous pie?

And why is deraileur spelled that way instead of derailer?

Are you supposed to pronounce it deerailer or deerailoor?

Cross chain- You forgot to add that Irma's has become the "Virtual" club house of the 50+Forum. As to the bun side- It is almost like a pie- but in the UK a pie can be sweet or savoury- only obligation is that it has to have a pastry base. Steak and kidney pies, pork pies and thanks to our heritage, Cornish Pasties, are all forms of savoury pies. The English equivalent of a Sweet pie does not universally exist so we are stuck with the bun and cake side of things. These vary so much, and nice as they are, they are nowhere as good as Apple, Rhubarb or Blueberry Pies that seems to abound in the US. I have to make do with Eccles cakes, Date and Walnut cake, or at a pinch- Chocolate Gateaux.
By far the best ride treat though is A full English Breakfast. We ride miles to find one, and have discovered the best one for Variety is at a Bikers Cafe (Motorbikes) that is only 6 miles from home. A good few years ago I had an unfortunate Incident with a Cafe about 30 miles from home. Insipid Eggs, Sausages that were mainly cereal, Bacon that was very Salty, Tomatoes that were watery. That decided to set our Quest for the perfect breakfast.

We used to go to A cafe 15 miles from home and we tried to get the chef to do a breakfast on a Sunday. One day the chef was off and the owner served us- We asked for 3 breakfasts. Certainly now what do you want in it? That shocked us but that breakfast became famous and became a regular feature on the menu- after 4 years of trying to get the chef to make one. That breakfast was 2 fried eggs, 2 rashers of bacon, 2 sausages, mushrooms, Saute Potatoes, Fried bread and Grilled tomatoes. On top of that was toast and conserves (Honey, Jam, Marmalade, and Marmite) and all the ingredients were top quality organic farm fresh foods so no nasty additives anywhere. And all at a very sensible price.

Alas- the cafe changed hands and although the breakfast is still Good- It is no longer excellent and is smaller. When we go to that cafe we have to top it up with a couple of scones and clotted cream just to give us enough energy for the 15 miles back home after wards.

My rides now take in an Italian restaurant that Has the best coffee I have ever tasted - but the breakfasts do not come up to much so have to make do with Cheesecake or some form of Gateaux. Not the same as a good apple Pie but they do not make a good one.
Can't wait for winter to come so we can get out along the coast towns, without the hordes of tourists, to investigate the location of the perfect Breakfast. Attachment of the breakfast is a good one but not the Good one before the Cafe changed hands. Others are just of the cakes and buns that we sometimes have over here.(Or in Turkey as they know how to make a good looking cake- Don't taste that good though)

Irma's Kitchen...Argyle, WI

As to the bun side- It is almost like a pie- but in the UK a pie can be sweet or savoury- )


So, if I was to say that I had "a bun in the oven".....it would mean I had a special treat in store for me?

I'm glad we speak the same language. ;)

So, if I was to say that I had "a bun in the oven".....it would mean I had a special treat in store for me?

I'm glad we speak the same language. ;)

If you've got a bun in the oven- I would be shocked at your age, and gender.

More questions...

Why does a man who weighs 300 pounds weigh different vintage cranks to figure which set to put on a heavy gas pipe bike instead of just picking the best looking set?

I know someone who did this. :rolleyes: Maybe he has a roof rack?


Why is biking as fun now as it was in our youth, and yet so many of us spent 25 years or more without a bike in between? The bike was just as much fun in between, but we weren't.


How many bikes is too many? Two more than you own at any time.

Who was the vintage Italian rider who insisted on carrying his water bottles in jersey pockets because it made his bike lighter and therefore climbing easier??

What does it mean when someone says a frame is stiff?

I keep hearing other types of pies mentioned here - apple and all that.

No, no no!

The 50+ Forum's pie is BLUEBERRY! None other.

I keep hearing other types of pies mentioned here - apple and all that.

No, no no!

The 50+ Forum's pie is BLUEBERRY! None other.

I hate when I see pieism raise it's ugly head!

We're bigger than that. We can celebrate pies of all descriptions, meeting all tastes.

We are all pie. There is but one pie, which is expressed in many flavors.

May the pie in me see the pie in you.

Are we all pies, having a human experience, or humans, having a pie experience?

There are many roads to pie. All roads lead to pie.

Let he who is without pie cast the first fork.

A pie in the stomach is worth about 15 miles on the road.

One man's pie is another man's pie.

Do we live to eat pie, or eat pie to live?

I am fighting Tevye's battle right here on the 50+ forum. TRADITION reigns. Adding "ism" to nouns does not make a truth.

Blueberry it is!

Blueberry it is!

I am sorry, but I can remain silent no longer. Blackberry it is, was and ever more shall be.

This is cool...

A fifty plus holy war!

I was starting to get tired of all of the fun loving cooperation in this forum... This may lead to something interesting!

:roflmao: :roflmao:

I am going to play Switzerland... until I see benefit to doing otherwise.

;)

It's deep dish Dutch apple pie, dammit!

Two pie are squared

Two pie are squared

Maybe in some places. In my part of the world pie are round.

Hey, I'm going to Wisconsisn in a couple of days! What town and place do I find this famous pie?

And why is deraileur spelled that way instead of derailer?

Are you supposed to pronounce it deerailer or deerailoor?

Sheldon Brown answers or derailer question, at least for spelling.

BTW, there a couple of famous places in Wis. for pies that have probably never been mentioned in BF before. The Norske Nook in Osseo(downtown off I-94 south of Eau Claire) has been nationaly rated by several magazines as having some of the best pie in the US.
Also Gina's Pie r Square(she was a math major I believe in college) in Wilton( the mid point of Elroy-Sparta Trail) has been written about in several newspapers. Great pies there.

- blackbottom pecan pie like my grandmother used to make

- altho # 2 makes a mean key lime so my loyalties are torn

-My vote is for approved pie times on PrIdE Day so all may smile and eat the pie of their choice at the time and in the place of their choice

- let no man declare his pie must be my pie

or ask me to lie about anyone's pie: pseudo-pieity will not be tolerated

Mmmm, oil pie.

Sorry :) :)

Still waiting for what it means to say a frame is stiff...and while I am thinking about it....is using the word "gruppo" just way of pretending you speak Italian or is it commonly used by English speakers?

Still waiting for what it means to say a frame is stiff...and while I am thinking about it....is using the word "gruppo" just way of pretending you speak Italian or is it commonly used by English speakers?


Sorry, only one dumb question answered each day!

Sorry...gotta keep askin em....how do you insert thumbnails of images?

How does one know if a question is a dumb question?

There are no dumb questions. Only dumb idiots like us who ask them.

There are no dumb questions. Only dumb idiots like us who ask them.

If there are no dumb questions, then what can one post in this thread?

If there are no dumb questions, then what can one post in this thread?

You could ask why one clips into clipless pedals. It is one of the eternal questions that has plagued mankind ever since the dawn of creation.

Why is it that all we hear on TV these days are advertisements for some kind of blue pill to cure disfunctional reptiles?

I've never paid much attention to reptiles, to tell you the truth. Now all we hear about is "reptile disfunction".

that might be the answer to the stiff question

What does it mean when someone says a frame is stiff?

Put pie in front of these guys and they totally lose it! A frame that is "stiff" is one that particularly resists flexing, bending, noodling, swaying, etc. under the load of pedaling...especially accelerations and sprinting. Young macho riders often value stiffness because they feel that such a quality transmits more of their power output to moving the bike-- rather than just having the frame flex and absorb/dissipate that power in useless movement. Would you rather bat a home run with a piece of hickory (OK, aluminum) or hit that ball with a stick of baloney?

Frame flex is a function of frame material, tubing thickness and design, also perhaps the way the tubes are joined, and geometry. Stiff, carbon handlebars, for example, refuse to waste your energy as you pull on them in outsprinting Tom Boonen. So the argument goes. Mostly the twirps over in Road Cycling chortle over their flexless frames. A few old time frame builders counter-argue that when a frame, especially around the bottom bracket, flexes, that energy is returned to you when it bounces back.

In my younger, thicker thighed days, I had a very flexible frame that I could feel the chain stays fishtail when I pushed hard. Not a good feeling. But then, Sean Kelly use to win classic after classic on a noodly Vitus frame. And his thighs were almost as potent as mine.

But....as with all things....The Downside: Stiffer frames may not wastefully absorb so much of your power, but they also don't benignly absorb road buzz, chatter, bumps, etc. Heavy, stiff olde tyme steel frames would rattle your teeth and not be fun on long rides...especially in the days before gel, zertz, carbon, etc. Today, makers tell us that we can have stiffness and comfort too with new frame materials. Owning only steel bikes, I'll have to have one of our more "trendy" members speak to that.

So, stiffness in varying degrees can be a positive or negative....dialing in the combination you like that is comfortable and serves your riding style is just one more variable in selecting the right bike.

Now I'll shut up so guys who really know what they're talking about can take over.

That was really good. I even understood part of it!:)

What was the OP's original point again?

Who was the vintage Italian rider who insisted on carrying his water bottles in jersey pockets because it made his bike lighter and therefore climbing easier??
Eh! You no like my theory?

Don't care what sort of pie, providing it is in front of me. Problem with blueberry pie is that we do not have blueberries in abundance in the UK.

Now if you really want a pie- went into a bakers and he did a Breakfast pie. Pie crust that was worth having on its own- Sausage, bacon, tomatoe, Scrambled egg, Mushroom and Black Pudding. If I am in that area- a slice of breakfast pie, a coffee and an Eccles cake will see me through the morning.

Heavy, stiff olde tyme steel frames would rattle your teeth and not be fun on long rides...especially in the days before gel...

But doesn't "olde tyme steel" have a timeless beauty to it? It's stiff, it's heavy, no gel, and only five speeds, but it will look perfect leaning against the front window of Irma's or any other made in America pie shop. And notice the "pie plate" behind the freewheel. Cleaned and ready for a fresh serving of warm Strawberry Rubarb and a scoop of homemade icecream. :D

BTW Stapfam, what is "Black Pudding?" And, are those foods you mention on your heart healthy diet? ;)

Dont forget the good old 'humble pie'

- blackbottom pecan pie like my grandmother used to make

- altho # 2 makes a mean key lime so my loyalties are torn

-My vote is for approved pie times on PrIdE Day so all may smile and eat the pie of their choice at the time and in the place of their choice

- let no man declare his pie must be my pie

or ask me to lie about anyone's pie: pseudo-pieity will not be tolerated

I don't think we should let relative newbies dictate the terms of the 50+ Forum's pie day. :D

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There are no dumb questions.

If there are no dumb questions, then what can one post in this thread?

The eternal conundrum!

Of course, the answer is nothing, as this thread is only for dumb questions.


Ask your dumb question here...

Since there are no dumb questions, thread closed.

where I come from pie is eaten. :p

Since the 50+ forum is generally the friendliest (I'm biased) area on BF, I thought this might be a good spot to ask the un-askable or the "I just gotta know" questions. Since I am beyond being embarrassed at this point I have two questions to ask.

1. What is the correct name for the "dork disk" and what is it's function?

2. What's the deal with pie?

I'm sure many more such probing questions will follow.

The first name I every heard was "idiot plate" for what you are calling the dork disk, implying I was an idiot if I shifted the derailleur into the spokes. This was on a Jeunet purchased in 1970. And, yes, I was once an idiot.

The deal with pie...everyone wishes they had some pecan pie, made with lots of dark Karo syrup, buttered graham cracker crust, and an inch of whole pecans glued on on top with that sweet stuff my Mama used. (PECAN is pronounced PUH-KAHN, and not pee-kan)

Sorry...gotta keep askin em....how do you insert thumbnails of images?
As you compose a post scroll down to "manage attachments". If you don't see that, click on "go advanced". Once you get to "manage attachments", select "browse" to find the file you want, "open" to select it, then "upload". Then "close window", then finish your message and save it.

As you compose a post scroll down to "manage attachments". If you don't see that, click on "go advanced". Once you get to "manage attachments", select "browse" to find the file you want, "open" to select it, then "upload". Then "close window", then finish your message and save it.Thanks cooker I think I have it now.

At least I thought I had it....

Cool!