Someone should start a thing about Floyd like there is for Chuck Norris


Floyd Landis never attended school, yet he holds a degree in every academic discipline from every university on the planet. When asked to comment about the situation, Floyd Landis roundhouse kicked the reporter to death and then masturbated.

So is Floyd on Leno this Friday or not?
I thought I heard Leno last night say next week, maybe next Monday, but I was only half-listening at the time.

My mom says that he is most likely still on vacation in Europe (he told her he was staying an extra week) and won't be back till next week. Apparently, Landis' publicist doesn't know about the Leno gig and my mom never heard about it either. oh well.

I think the hip thing adds a twist to it, but i dont know about inspirational because he says that his hip doesnt bother him.... which makes me wonder why he is getting his hip replaced at all...

Wha? Just because he refuses to acknowledge the pain in an interview doesn't mean it doesn't actually bother him. Did you actually READ the NYT article?

Floyd is still listed on the Tonight Show website for Friday:

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/guests/

Floyd not listed on the Letterman site:

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/show_info/index.shtml

Wha? Just because he refuses to acknowledge the pain in an interview doesn't mean it doesn't actually bother him. Did you actually READ the NYT article?


calm down derk, i didnt read anything. I just remember him saying that during an interview.

I heard rumors Floyd was on the sauce. Corn husks or amish wicca or something. Hollow leg.

wow, really? I got the impressed that he was a real straight laced guy. I remember reading the Bicycling mag interview and he was recalling a crazy time when he had too much coffee :rolleyes:

Boy, it'll be intersting to see if he still shows up...

Maybe he'll put the allegations to rest....I gotta ride to WV...guess I'll miss that one.

There aren't allegations, there is a positive test.

With the recent revelations, I doubt he'll show.

anyone want to buy a new tshirt cheap? make an offer? anyone? :rolleyes:
http://images.cafepress.com/product/66903664v7_240x240_F.jpg

he'll show. if he doesn't it would imply that he's hiding something. as long as he sticks to the same statement in all media relations it will be good for him. and let the rest of the testing moving forward for a result.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/austin_murphy/07/27/landis.react/index.html



Landis says he didn't dope during Tour de France

by Austin Murphy

Floyd says he didn't do it -- didn't inject testosterone, didn't apply a testosterone patch to any part of his body. Floyd Landis just returned my call, and I asked him straight up: "Did you do it, bro?"

He said, "No, c'mon man," in what would turn out to be the first of several denials.

I want very badly to believe him.

Landis had been crying. Not for himself -- he'd just gotten off the phone with his mother, Arlene, who has been driven from the family home in Farmersville, Pa., by reporters scavenging for quotes. "I know it's their job," he said, sadly, "but they need to leave her out of this."

The A sample from the urine test to which he submitted after Stage 17 shows "an unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone." Landis told me he "can't be hopeful" that the B sample will be any different than the A. "I'm a realist," he said.

Landis says that an elevated level of testosterone is different from a positive test. He says this is a fairly common problem among pro cyclists. He's retaining the services of a Spanish doctor named Luis Hernandez, who has helped other riders shown by tests to have elevated levels of testosterone. "In hundreds of cases," Landis told me, "no one's ever lost one."

It's too early to tell if he's going to be on solid footing or if he's clutching at straws. The next step, he says, is to submit to an endocrine test that may help him prove that he just happens to be a guy walking around with an inordinate amount of testosterone in his blood.

He raised the possibility that the cortisone shots he's been taking for his ravaged right hip -- the hip he'll soon have replaced -- may have had some effect on the test. Then he revealed this: "I've had a thyroid condition for the last year or so and have been taking small amounts of thyroid hormone. It's an oral dose, once a day."

He raised the possibility that that medication may have skewed the test that appears to damn him.

He knows how bad this looks, and told me, "I wouldn't hold it against somebody if they don't believe me."

I don't know what to believe. I was surprised he returned my call.

"You were there when nobody else was," he told me, "so I thought I'd better call you back."

He was talking about a visit I paid to the team bus a week ago today. The day before -- in what had been his lowest moment in many weeks -- Landis appeared to have ridden himself off the podium and out of the top 10. As the Tour had unfolded, as he'd taken the lead and then relinquished it, then cracked spectacularly, he had not seemed like a rider under the influence of performance-enhancing drugs. In fact, the French were down on him for racing too conservatively, for not attacking or going for stage wins.

The next morning I went by the Phonak team bus (as I wrote in my Tour dispatch a week ago). It was eerily deserted, Landis having already been dubbed irrelevant. He sat on the steps of the bus and we chatted. After his incredible ride that day, I was a little embarrassed by what I'd said: I told him I respected that he'd finished the stage, no matter how long it took. I told him I looked forward to seeing what he did in the final time trial -- something about silver linings.

He smiled, and told me, basically, that he expected to make up some of that time that afternoon. He told me he was feeling better.

He went out rode himself into the lore of the Tour.

What to make of that ride now?

Anyone who follows this sport and professes to be blindsided by allegations of this nature risks sounding like Captain Renault in Casablanca ("I'm shocked -- shocked! -- to find that gambling is going on in here!"). You wonder sometimes if, in cycling, the clean riders are not, in fact, the minority. The purge that marked the start of this race -- 13 riders were ejected after being implicated in a Spanish doping investigation called Operación Puerto -- confirmed cycling's status as one of the dirtiest sports in the world.

But there was this hope -- was it naive, Floyd? -- that les coureurs that they didn't kick out were riding clean. And Landis had such a wholesome, heroic story: the rebel from Pennsylvania Dutch country who carved a career for himself despite tall odds -- the disapproving parents; the three teams that folded beneath him, felled by bankruptcy; the bum hip, which caused him so much pain that after some stages last year, he came close to vomiting.

Even before Landis finished Stage 17, when he pulled back most of the time he had lost the previous day, the whispers had begun. Allen Lim, Landis' trainer, took pains in the days that followed to point out that the effort put forth by Landis in that heroic, Tour-saving stage was generally in line with "what he's done in training." The anomaly had been the bonk the previous day.

Then you read what German doctor Kurt Moosburger recently told Cyclingnews.com: "You can do a hard Alpine stage without doping. But after that, the muscles are exhausted. You need -- depending on your training conditions -- up to three days in order to regenerate."

To help recover, testosterone and human growth hormone can be used. "Both are made by the body and are therefore natural substances," he said. "They help to build muscle as well as in muscle recovery."

Dr. Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone patch that is used for male hormone-replacement therapy on your scrotum and leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually recovers faster."

It would be funny -- if it weren't heartbreaking -- to think that as he sat outside the team hotel last Wednesday night, explaining his collapse, Landis was already getting a little help from a patch on a tender part of his anatomy.

So I flat-out asked him if he'd done the patch thing, and he told me he hadn't. All he can do now is wait for the B sample and, after that, hope another test proves that he's in a very elevated percentile of men, who go through life with more than their share of testosterone.

Meanwhile, I've got this passage in my Tour story in this week's Sports Illustrated: "Landis' epic ride on July 19 did not just succeed beyond all expectations, putting him in striking distance of the lead, which he seized for good in the Tour's final time trial two days later. It provided a gleaming counterweight to the doping scandal that had overshadowed this Tour since the day before it began."

Gleaming counterweight. That phrase will mock me for months, if not longer, unless Landis is able to convince us that it's all a great misunderstanding.

Floyd says he didn't do it, and I want very badly to believe him.

There aren't allegations, there is a positive test.

Yep, and no matter how clean the B sample is, there is always an A sample positive test to cloud the results. See how much damage the Lance accusations did. At this time, no one can believe the Landis B sample will show any different, therefore proof of perpetual elevated testosterone in the individual being the only salvation here.

he'll show. if he doesn't it would imply that he's hiding something. as long as he sticks to the same statement in all media relations it will be good for him. and let the rest of the testing moving forward for a result.

Phonak can always play safe and request that he not show - though we don't know what's in his contract.

If Floyd doesn't show up on the show, perhaps Tyler Hamilton will be the guest and announce that he's signed with Wurth

Does anyone really expect him to admit it?

Lets just hang on until the B sample is analyzed and Floyd gets a test to see if he might have a naturally evelated testosterone level or if his meds might responsible. If all the tests show he cheated then fine we'll build a bonfire and roast him, but until then he has not been found guilty of anything.

Landis told me he "can't be hopeful" that the B sample will be any different than the A. "I'm a realist," he said.

Get it?

FLoyd Landis is more than likley a drug cheat. time to smell the coffee. the B sample will prove it. get over it and go back to Lance worshiping.

[QUOTE=vik]Lets just hang on until the B sample is analyzed and Floyd gets a test to see if he might have a naturally evelated testosterone level or if his meds might responsible. QUOTE]

Wouldnt the above have shown up on previous tests since he started the 06 tour?

Some calculated, well-written information on these tests:

http://freefloydlandis.blogspot.com/

if its a "natural" result shouldnt it have shown up in his previous tests during the tour?

Does anyone really expect him to admit it?

no, not initially. if he did dope he'll have to decide whether he'd rather look like tyler hamilton or alex zuelle.

ed rader

I just heard, courtesy of a guy that is friends with someone on the Phonak team (hint: he's from Belgium), that the 'unusual result' was a low epi-testosterone level.

I'm not so sure they anymore that Floyd can/will hang for this. We'll see.

Devil, I heard the same. How does one have a low epi level? i don't know. What else are they saying?

I heard 11:1 but that the epi level was really low, which made for the high ratio.

In the words of the great Der Jan "Ja. No sh*t Dumbass"


OP I am not insulting you or anything. This blog is hilarious http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=31414033&MyToken=0fb42e9a-57b6-4825-a45c-748252c7ccafML

http://podcast.medianext.com/stations/kcbs/media/mpeg/Floyd_Landis_News_Tele_Conference-1154043111.mp3

almost 1/2 hour. As in the SI interview, Floyd denies all, says they're still planning how to prove his innocence

Hope my thin slicing is at its best.. Floyd appears clean..

Just remember what Lance went through. The French can't stand the fact that another American won the TDF. They can't take them out on the road so they will do it through "drug testing".

I say wait and see. The truth will come out in the end.

Just remember what Lance went through. The French can't stand the fact that another American won the TDF. They can't take them out on the road so they will do it through "drug testing".

I say wait and see. The truth will come out in the end.

and so why did they suspend ullrich and basso, who undoubtedly would have crushed landis? they
can't stand german and italian winners either? man, that's some serious patriotism-I-mean-nationalism-I-mean-francoism ;-)

Thanks for the link.

Devil, I heard the same. How does one have a low epi level? i don't know. What else are they saying?

I heard 11:1 but that the epi level was really low, which made for the high ratio.
I heard 11:1 as well, but that's about all I've got.

What I do know is that the more I read about this, the more I'm convinced that this is almost a non-issue. It really isn't indicative of any kind of drug use or doping. But like I said, we'll see how it plays out. I am really doubtful now that Floyd is guilty of what they're saying he's guilty of.

and so why did they suspend ullrich and basso, who undoubtedly would have crushed landis?

"They" are French. No other reason needed. ;)

and so why did they suspend ullrich and basso, who undoubtedly would have crushed landis? they
can't stand german and italian winners either? man, that's some serious patriotism-I-mean-nationalism-I-mean-francoism ;-)
Not so undoubtedly... Floyd (and Kloeden) rode the 11th or 12th fastest time up Alpe d'Huez since they started recording the ascent times in '94. Out of Ulle and Basso, only Ullrich had ridden faster than Landis and Kloeden up l'Alpe -- and that was in 1997. It would have been much, much closer than most think.

dude sounds guilty.
q. have you ever taken peformance enhancing drugs? a. im gonna say no
q have you ever lied to your mother? a. umm.........i dont think anyone has ever lied to my mother.

The truth is irrelevant. Everyone knows that the seriousness of the allegation is the only thing that is important here. Everyone knows that Landis would not be riding for Phonak next year so their grandstanding is about as low as you can go.

Jay Leno just said that he believes in Floyd Landis, saying "he's a good kid".

Unfortunately Leno just announced that Landis cancelled for tomorrow night. Not surprising, all things considered.

I heard 11:1 as well, but that's about all I've got.

What I do know is that the more I read about this, the more I'm convinced that this is almost a non-issue. It really isn't indicative of any kind of drug use or doping. But like I said, we'll see how it plays out. I am really doubtful now that Floyd is guilty of what they're saying he's guilty of.


If the average for a normal person is 2:1 - 3-1 how do you explain 11:1 only on that stage where he rode the breakaway of a lifetime and not on any of the others? Freak of nature? Naturally elevated levels but this wouldnt be a surprise then, because it would be something the testers ran into before correct? In this sport anything other than medical normality is suspect. Sorry but its the track record of what has gone on from Lemond until present.

are we not listening?! It's been stated that 1. His testosterone levels weren't high - his epitest. levels were very low. 2. To use testosterone for one day wouldn't give a rider any significant advantage, since testosterone, a steroid, needs to be adminstered in 6-12 week cycles (just ask your local high school linebacker...he can tell you all about it) 3. These tests are highly unreliable and any athlete who has fought this has won. an 11-1 ratio is terrible - if it's due to HIGH testosterone levels, but if it's because of low epi levels, then really i think it's a nonissue. Lets crucify this guy before we get the facts straight, shall we?!

Yeah, the reporters need to leave his mom alone. What a bunch of cretins.

I really hope that Landis didn't do it. I want to believe that fantastic ride he had was him and him alone.

Interesting quote from a good article in the WSJ:

"Testosterone can build muscle and improve recovery time when used over a period of several weeks, said Dr. Gary Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency and a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine. But if Mr. Landis had been a user, his earlier urine tests during the tour would have been affected, he said. "So something's missing here," he said. "It just doesn't add up.""

so . . .could the answer bee a blood transfusion with a high level of testosterone? That would explain the negatives and then the positive. . .

and so why did they suspend ullrich and basso, who undoubtedly would have crushed landis? they
can't stand german and italian winners either? man, that's some serious patriotism-I-mean-nationalism-I-mean-francoism ;-)

because the french didnt suspend basso and ullrich. their own teams did, based on a spanish investigation..

Crappers! All right, I'm gonna take it off my Tivo lineup. :(

Koffee

For at least the THIRD time in this thread alone (and NPR's news reports today are equally guilty) - it's NOT that he tested for a "high testosterone" level - it's a high RATIO of testosterone to epitestosterone - which was triggered by an abnormally LOW epitestosterone, according to those with access to the information.

Something's sure fishy with these tests. There's no way this should have come out until the B sample was checked. And they HAVE to have clean tests from Landis both BEFORE and AFTER this stage, given they test the yellow and the top 3 on all stages, plus 2 other riders at random. (Have they even LOOKED at the testosterone and epi levels on those other tests that didn't flunk the ratio?)

So how does something that clears the system in less 48 hours have that dramatic an effect in a 6-hour stage? We're not talking a 30-minute peak performance here - he rode solo for 70 km on the 2nd hardest stage in the whole race.

dude sounds guilty.
q. have you ever taken peformance enhancing drugs? a. im gonna say no
q have you ever lied to your mother? a. umm.........i dont think anyone has ever lied to my mother.


If you've ever read or listened to some of his other interviews....you'd know that he sometimes is a "wise ass" for lack of a better term. "Have you ever lied to your mother?" What the F**k kind of dumb ass question is that to ask him!?? Geeesh!!:rolleyes: I don't know whether he is innocent or not at this point.

1. Let's find out the results of the "B" sample first (and why a handful of days to say the "A" sample was positive, but up to two weeks to test the "B" sample?)
2. Let's have ALL the information pertaining to the situation
3. Let's then hear what UCI, WADA and Floyd have to say before we pass judgement.

Even then, I will be wary of who's right and who's wrong. So this is pretty much a sad situation.

I was about to say that he is either a very, very good liar... or he is very, very inncocent.

Then I heard the second questioner ask her second question about alcohol mixing with cortisone to create a positive.

He seemingly ignored it, but it doesn't matter... The seed was planted. This is the little piece of rational thinking that we can hold on to to convince ourselves he is innocent.

Fry 'em!




He did sound pretty nervous, though.

The truth is irrelevant. Everyone knows that the seriousness of the allegation is the only thing that is important here. Everyone knows that Landis would not be riding for Phonak next year so their grandstanding is about as low as you can go.

Landis signed a one year deal to ride for Phonak next year.

If you've ever read or listened to some of his other interviews....you'd know that he sometimes is a "wise ass" for lack of a better term. "Have you ever lied to your mother?" What the F**k kind of dumb ass question is that to ask him!?? Geeesh!!:rolleyes: I don't know whether he is innocent or not at this point.

1. Let's find out the results of the "B" sample first (and why a handful of days to say the "A" sample was positive, but up to two weeks to test the "B" sample?)
2. Let's have ALL the information pertaining to the situation
3. Let's then hear what UCI, WADA and Floyd have to say before we pass judgement.

Even then, I will be wary of who's right and who's wrong. So this is pretty much a sad situation.

The B sample takes so much longer because they not only repeat the first test, they do some carbon-isotope testing thing that's supposed to say whether the testosterone is natural or from artificial sources.