How about a "Floyd Landis in the Media" sticky?

[wattsy_rules]

Hey, come on!

What is this stupid thread doing on a road cycling forum???????

I hereby request that this thread is moved to "foo".

It's even more insulting that some stupid moderator has chosen to make it sticky.

+1

The guys a drug cheat and yet gets treated like he's god...pathetic:mad:

[allez]

did anyone catch larry "i'm really, really, really, really, stupid" king refer to floyd as a "stockcar racer"?
from the transcript:

"KING: I asked Floyd this. He says it's better answered by you. What does testosterone do for a race driver?"

sigh.....

[Demit]

I can see why floyd didnt think he was qualified to answer.

[HDTVKSS]

yer im sure you will see Floyd on Court TV soon.

[littlefoot]

I liked the way he said "conspiracy"....Larry's like "un American?"

I'm gonna give up and devote more time to MTB/cyclocross again.

[Moochers_Dad]

Anyone who has listened to or read testimony from pro's who've been busted knows that Test. is used as a recovery agent and has been for years. As well as being used in the offseason for strength building etc..

Testosterone for recovery affects fast-twitch muscle fibers only; not slow twitch like a tour contender would have more of. As a recovery agent, testosterone would be the wrong drug to use before and after mountain stages.

Vigorous exercise can increase natural testosterone levels for a brief period.

[Sincitycycler]

Hey, come on!

What is this stupid thread doing on a road cycling forum???????

I hereby request that this thread is moved to "foo".

It's even more insulting that some stupid moderator has chosen to make it sticky.


You know how you're gay? :rolleyes:

[Bockman]

His Dr's full of sh*t regarding the whole testosterone is a bodybuilding steroid and would add to much mass to a cyclist, and is therefore absurd statement.

But for those just tuning in, It does sound good.

Anyone who has listened to or read testimony from pro's who've been busted knows that Test. is used as a recovery agent and has been for years. As well as being used in the offseason for strength building etc..

I have to say those comment by his doctor angered me as well, and in fact in a way backfired-- now I have a harder time believing any credible defense when an alleged expert gives such a specious commentary on the use of testosterone in competitive sports.

[Crack'n'fail]

Man, I didn't know they were going to replace him for tonights late show. A little controversy and they give him the boot? I think it would have made for good conversation.

Oh well, I hate Jay Leno anyways.:rolleyes:

Floyd canceled. He's in Madrid.

[derath]

I wonder if Floyd passed a Voight-Kampff test whether all the accusations would be dropped.


LOL. "You see a turtle on the side of the road on its back..."


-D

[larue]

+1

The guys a drug cheat and yet gets treated like he's god...pathetic:mad:
How about innocent until proven guilty?:rolleyes:
It will be funny how much of an ******* you sound like after he's proven innocent.:eek:

[larue]

Floyd canceled. He's in Madrid.
Oh I see, thanks for the info. I still hate Jay Leno.;)

[SaintAndrew]

Testosterone for recovery affects fast-twitch muscle fibers only; not slow twitch like a tour contender would have more of. As a recovery agent, testosterone would be the wrong drug to use before and after mountain stages.
.first of all that is complete BS testosterone affects slow-twitch fibers as well as fast twitch, and second if test is the wrong drug for a cyclist to use then why was fuentes giving scripts for test like it's candy? maybe because it keeps the body from going catabolic? hmm...

[Sincitycycler]

Landis wouldn't have been on "Larry King Live"

...if it wasn't for this whole doping scandal.

Actually, Landis was a mere blip in the sporting world in this country partly because Tiger Woods had his emotional British Open win the same day in England last Sunday (his storied stage-father died recently).

America loves sensationalism, unfortunately. Guess it sell more tabloids/ air time.:rolleyes:

I have non-cycling people at work asking me now about if this "Landis guy" is innocent. These are the same people who gave me a puzzled look at me as I was watching OLN on my hourly breaks at work for 20 days straight (casino dealers get a quick 20 mins/hour ya see).

I have to believe F.L. is innocent.

The acid test (to me at least)?

He swore to his fear-of-God instilling mom that he didn't cheat. If he can sleep at night while lying to his mother, then he has bigger problems then being stripped of the TDF title.

[grinderbob]

totally agree. In all the websites I went to after TDF, Floyd Landis championship was just a smallish link. Every freaking website had Tiger Woods picture up front. "Tiger Won British Open"
Jon Stuart, Jay Leno and Stephen Colbert did make good gigs of TDF, that's good.
Media likes to exploit negative news.

[fixedfiend]

"Tiger Won British Open"
.


that's one Black/Asian breaking stereotypes. now if we could only get one of those in cycling:rolleyes:

[wagathon]

I heard--I think on Larry King--that the lab involved is the same lab that was hounding Lance . . . and, hounding for no bonafide reason in LA's situation. Interesting too that when this lab starts playing God with cyclists' reputations (and trying so hard to bedevil their accomplishments), the first thing that lab does is leak their "news." In LA's case, that's all they and the French press wanted because that's all they ever had on Lance: allegations . . . baseless allegations.

[Snicklefritz]

that's one Black/Asian breaking stereotypes. now if we could only get one of those in cycling:rolleyes:

I used to like Tiger Woods until he dissed Bob Hope by not showing up to his golf
tournament a few years ago. what a bum!

[Karlotta]

I heard--I think on Larry King--that the lab involved is the same lab that was hounding Lance . . . and, hounding for no bonafide reason in LA's situation. Interesting too that when this lab starts playing God with cyclists' reputations (and trying so hard to bedevil their accomplishments), the first thing that lab does is leak their "news." In LA's case, that's all they and the French press wanted because that's all they ever had on Lance: allegations . . . baseless allegations.

Actually they had positive tests for EPO from the 1999 Tour... tests, results, evidence.

[Karlotta]

An interesting article from the International Herald Tribune.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/30/sports/BIKE.php

[mjssumo1]

Checked out nbc.com and see that Floyd will be on Leno August 3rd.

[flythebike]

Fan's perspective here: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2531597. Kind of a we don't have to take it anymore to the dopers.

[flythebike]

He swore to his fear-of-God instilling mom that he didn't cheat. If he can sleep at night while lying to his mother, then he has bigger problems then being stripped of the TDF title.

Oh please, you've never lied to your mother?

I'm not saying Floyd is or isn't guilty but I imagine he has lied to his mother before this. I imagine we all have.

[BluesDawg]

Info for The Daily Show says Floyd Landis is on the show tonight. It's on now. We'll see if he's really on it.

Nevermind - he's not on.

[sunninho]

Bad news for Floyd in the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/01/sports/othersports/01landis.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin

In that picture, he's feeling his left breast. Could it be he's worried the 'roids are working too well (enlargement)? :p

[Karlotta]

Interesting news. Landis' lawyer has a strong reaction to the UCI leak.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14157559/

BTW, his name is Howard Jacobs... Tyler Hamilton's attorney.

[sweetjt]

I can't believe he hired Hamilton's lawyer - it's clear he's given up on public opinion and is now looking for a technicality defense.

Of course, the main problem Landis has with the leaks is that they didn't come at the same time. Since they leaked the positive testo before the carbon results he thought he was okay on carbon. So he goes out and does this press conference that he now will never live down. Leaks don't change the test results - he's just trying to muddy the waters.

[Trevor98]

It may be the team lawyer.

[sweetjt]

Well, Phonak's a team that should know all about doping lawyers. Still though, Landis must know that hiring Hamilton's lawyer doesn't look good.

[Trevor98]

How many doping familiar lawyers do you think there are? Many of the experienced lawyers are going to be involved in the aftermath of the Spanish Inquisition (not just cyclists).

[sweetjt]

I can't believe the new lawyer is arguing that dehydration could elevate testosterone (and presumably introduce foreign testosterone). This is just sad. It would have been so much easier for Landis to come clean if the failed carbon test had been leaked at the same time as the positive testo result.

[Trevor98]

If its true.

[sweetjt]

If what's true? His doctor has already confirmed both results.

[Trevor98]

It would have been so much easier for Landis to come clean if the failed carbon test had been leaked at the same time as the positive testo result.

You presume his guilt and I agree that if the leaks are true and if Landis was doping it would be so much easier for him to come clean. I am not sure of your presumptions and will gladly wait for further information to make a judgment.

His doctor has already confirmed both results.

Somebody should tell his lawyer then.

[rgerve]

:p If UCI would disqualify the top 6, France would win Le Tour!

[Karlotta]

Interesting image from the Landis press conference. Not the usual angle. Shows the tremendous press interest.

http://www.liberation.fr/actualite/sports/_files/file_196614_42579.jpg

[sweetjt]

Somebody should tell his lawyer then.[/QUOTE]


NICE!!

[redden]

Just wondering,

The team sponsor incurs no risk with doping, is that right?
Would it be possible for the rider to recieve illegal substances without his knowledge?
A business risk taken by the team and if it doesn't work the rider takes all the blame, the team fires the rider and tries again with the other riders.
Blood doping would not be possible without the riders cooperation but could testostrone and similar hormones be adminstered without the riders knowledge?

[sweetjt]

We're each responsible for our own body. If riders surround themselves with untrustworthy people then that's their problem. From what I've read the feeling you get after putting on a testo patch is unmistakable. Athletes are super sensitive to what's going on with their bodies. He should wonder why he gets that rush after whatever treatment or intake you are alleging was given to him without his knowledge. It's not like they don't know they are going to be tested. They should be giving the 3rd degree about everything they ingest or apply to their bodies.

But I don't buy it. I think a lot of riders do it and they don't think it's cheating if they keep the levels within the allowable 4:1. He messed up by leaving it on too long.

[jisaak]

Could it be that he left the patch on too long and in combination with the supposed beer and jd?

[flythebike]

Could it be that he left the patch on too long and in combination with the supposed beer and jd?

No. Maybe getting dehydrated messed him up...like it messed up the masking agent so it didn't keep his epi high to keep the T/E ratio down.

$100,000 to take a lie detector test: would you do it?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2006/news/08-04

[7rider]

Here's the permalink (http://www.michaelrobertson.com/archive.php?minute_id=218) to the $100,000 offer.

On my way home today, I'm going to buy a bottle of J.D., take four shots before bed, and go out for a nice morning ride tomorrow.

This circus is getting out of control. Need HL2 Episode 2 or Company of Heroes to get my mind off of this.

[Zouf]

Just wondering,

The team sponsor incurs no risk with doping, is that right?
Would it be possible for the rider to recieve illegal substances without his knowledge?
A business risk taken by the team and if it doesn't work the rider takes all the blame, the team fires the rider and tries again with the other riders.
Blood doping would not be possible without the riders cooperation but could testostrone and similar hormones be adminstered without the riders knowledge?
To the first question: no sanction risk, but huge colateral damages in company image. Which explains why Liberty Seguros had a sponsoring contract clause that allowed them out, no pre-advice, no delay, no penalty, as soon as any team member tested positive or was implicated in a doping scandal. And you saw how fast they pulled the ripcord.

To the second: Yes, if you are pretty naïve and unquestioning. No, if you are a top-level athlete with a reasonable brain-cell count.

Not sure what the next sentence means, looks like some words are missing. It's pretty much what happens now, except sponsors are getting less and less excited about having their names mixed into doping scandals. Do a Google of "Phonak doping", and imagine you're the Phonak CEO for a moment. Not necessarily what you signed up for.

To the last: again, assuming the riders are not brain-dead or "know-but-don't-want-to-know", I can't see that happening.

[sweetjt]

Liberty Seguros is an insurance company so they are more interested in the trust issue. Phonak is a hearing aid company. They were going to end their sponsorship this year anyways because companies sponsor teams for name recognition and they had gotten what they paid for. Everyone's heard of Phonak now. It's a little hypocritical for the Phonak CEO to be crying now when the team's been busted for doping 9 times.

[Karlotta]

From http://www.floydlandis.com/blog/2006/08/04/175/

Keep the Faith

In the past week, I have gone from the “Top of the World” to the depths of scandal. I have been thrust into the international spotlight and am being asked to defend myself against something that I did not do, for reasons that I do not understand. Although this has been a hard time for my family and me, we are confident that I will be vindicated. I am innocent of any wrongdoing and want to take an opportunity to clear up some misconceptions that exist regarding the situation.

It is widely known that the test in question, given as a urine sample after my victorious ride on stage 17 of the Tour de France, returned an abnormal T/E ratio from the “A” sample. I want to be entirely clear about one point of the test that has not been fairly reported in the press or expressed in any statements made by international or national governing bodies; the T value returned has been determined to be in the normal range. The E value returned was LOW, thus causing the skewed ratio. This evidence supports my assertion that I did not use testosterone to improve my performance. I emphatically deny any claims that I used testosterone to improve my performance.

Much has been speculated about the presence of exogenous testosterone in the “A” sample. Together with some of the leading medical and scientific experts in the world, we are reviewing the documentation about the “carbon isotope ratio test.” All I can say at this time is that I did not take testosterone, so there must be another reason for the result, as leaked by the UCI.

Beyond the specifics of the testing, however, I am particularly troubled by the actions of the UCI. Information about an “adverse analytical finding” was prematurely released by the UCI in order “to avoid a known leak” within the lab. A direct statement followed from UCI President Pat McQuaid that left little to infer as to whose test was in question.

I was notified of the “A” sample results while attending post-Tour criteriums in Europe. As a result of these breeches in protocol, confidentiality and disregard for due process, I view this as a clear violation of my rights as a professional racer licensed by the UCI.

I became the center of media attention with little time to understand the nature of the “A” sample results, possible causes or explanations. As I tried to come to terms with the situation, my statement and attempts to understand the results were interpreted as “excuses” before I had time to fully grasp the facts of the case. The inappropriate actions of the UCI has caused undue, and potentially irreparable, harm to my reputation and character. I feel I am being prosecuted without regard to my basic rights.

It is now my goal to fight to clear my name and restore what I worked so hard to achieve. I am a fighter. I did not give up during the Tour and I won’t give up now, no matter what the results of the “B” sample are.

Keep the Faith,
Floyd

[redden]

Dope or no Dope I like Floyd and wish him the best.

[Trekaholic]

guess you've never known anyone who's had it done. they're walking within 24 hours.

more qualified thoughts here (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=213437)

You're right - I haven't known anyone that has had this done, but to walk seems a bit different than competing in the most grueling sport there is.

I guess my impression of hip problems comes from seniors that break hips and live the rest of their lives in pain - which is a poor connection to make here. A joint replacement is much different from a broken hip.

OK, I give. Floyd can compete. If he can stick to using his own testosterone and prove he's doing so.

[Zouf]

It's a little hypocritical for the Phonak CEO to be crying now when the team's been busted for doping 9 times.
Well, you got a good point there for sure.

I would have been better to talk about the guy who's going to try and sign in the NEXT sponsor.

[Albany-12303]

Wasn't he supposed to be on Good Morning America today?

Anyone see this?

[flythebike]

Wasn't he supposed to be on Good Morning America today?

Anyone see this?

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/ESPNSports/story?id=2281317&page=1