View Full Version : Has Lance commented on the Landis situation??
StalkerZERO
07-27-06, 09:08 PM
I wonder if Lance Armstrong has had any public reaction or statement regarding Landis' positive A test for testosterone. Has he?
Does anyone know? My guess would be sympathy because of feelings of deja vu?
blue_neon
07-27-06, 09:10 PM
How long untill the B test results are revealed??
:)
StalkerZERO
07-27-06, 09:19 PM
How long untill the B test results are revealed??
:)
Landis still has to formerly request or schedule the B test with the UCI. I think hes doing that tommorow?
Crack'n'fail
07-27-06, 09:39 PM
Lance said that until the B sample is tested he has nothing to say about it.
C_Heath
07-27-06, 09:56 PM
Lance said "thank god that operation Puerto didnt exist when I was there, otherwise, Id be #%#@
LOL
JK <<<<
StalkerZERO
07-28-06, 08:11 AM
Lance said "thank god that operation Puerto didnt exist when I was there, otherwise, Id be #%#@
LOL
JK <<<<
Maybe he woulda been happy actually. I heard they are starting to clear those who were accused in that operation? Lance might have been cleared hypothetically speaking. In actuality its Jan that might be cleared no? What about Basso?
pathdoc
07-28-06, 08:40 AM
I hope Jan and Basso are cleared. I want to see them race again.
Dinstee
07-28-06, 08:47 AM
If/when these athletes are cleared do you think they have enough for a suit? I mean, they were disallowed to perform their job (and in some cases even fired from their jobs) because of results of an investigation. I don't know all the facts. I really havn't paid that much attention to it.
I just know that if I were held out of Le Tour, then cleared of any wrong-doing after the race concluded, I'd be seriously pissed!
bellweatherman
07-28-06, 08:51 AM
Lance and Floyd aren't the best of friends. However, Lance did talk some smack about French testing protocols on a local Austin, Texas TV interview today. Then, as he thought the camera turned away he said, "thank goodness, they didn't bust me on all that EPO is was on."
StalkerZERO
07-28-06, 12:47 PM
Lance and Floyd aren't the best of friends. However, Lance did talk some smack about French testing protocols on a local Austin, Texas TV interview today. Then, as he thought the camera turned away he said, "thank goodness, they didn't bust me on all that EPO is was on."
Are you kidding around? Did Lance really say that as the camera was turned?
flythebike
07-28-06, 12:58 PM
Landis still has to formerly request or schedule the B test with the UCI. I think hes doing that tommorow?
Evidently he has made that request, or is just about to: http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2532396
iluvfreebeer
07-28-06, 01:05 PM
Lance Who?
bellweatherman
07-28-06, 07:00 PM
Are you kidding around? Did Lance really say that as the camera was turned?
Check out ESPN. Lance did comment about Landis' situation. Most of it wasn't even pertaining to Landis, but was a hated diatribe to Greg Lemond, who made a comment actually supporting Floyd and saying what a stand-up guy he is, but also saying that stricter controls need to be in place for the sport. Lance is a f-ing punk. Plain and simple.
blue_nose
07-29-06, 02:29 PM
Lance was on Larry King last night and commented on the situation. He came out ifn full support of Flandis and made sure everyone knows that the lab that leaked is EPO tests is the same lab that tested Floyd’s sample.
He came out ifn full support of Flandis and made sure everyone knows that the lab that leaked is EPO tests is the same lab that tested Floyd’s sample.
So it looks like if people accept that Floyd's results are truthful, then they will have to accept that Lance used EPO. Cool.
-VELOCITY-
07-30-06, 10:43 AM
So it looks like if people accept that Floyd's results are truthful, then they will have to accept that Lance used EPO. Cool.
Not necessarily. People will only accept what they want to accept. Lance has never tested positive yet alot of people can't and won't accept it. Floyd tested for abnormalities and most people can't accept that it's possible that he may have done something wrong. Personally I think the Lance didn't dope and the fact that there is no proof confirms it. I don't think Landis doped because it's extrememly odd that what he's reported to have taken would only show up on one test. It just doesn't add up. Hopefully we'll all soon know the truth. Or at least the closest thing possible to the truth. Either way I keep riding my bike and knowing that I don't dope and knowing that soon I'll ride my first century. Everything else is not really that important. To me at least.
Lance is stating that Floyd's test is as beleiveable as Lance's positive EPO from 1999.
That's Lance himself saying that if you accept Floyd's positive, you should accept his.
He's not the cleverest guy.
It also says that if you accept the lab screwed up Lance's, you should accept they screwed up Floyds.
Sounds pretty clever to me ;)
Sure - but if you accept that Floyd's test was a screw up, then you can no longer be a fan of UCI accredited cycling events. Goodbye to the sport, basically.
If you can't trust them to test riders properly, then how can you take the sport seriously?
I can be a fan of whatever I want, regardless of my feelings toward the governing body. I watch it for the fun and to support my favorite teams/riders. Not to support the UCI.
I watch it for the fun and to support my favorite teams/riders. Not to support the UCI.
'riders' being a term defined by the UCI, and who under the rules of the UCI and 'team' bering a term defined by the UCI and under the rules of the UCI.
'riders' being a term defined by the UCI, and who under the rules of the UCI and 'team' bering a term defined by the UCI and under the rules of the UCI.
"Riders" is a term I am able to define without the help of the almighty UCI, and "team" as in a group of "riders" aiming for the same goal (usually).
I don't agree with everything MLB or the NFL does either, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy the sport. You have to remember that with out the fans, bike racing is nothing more than a bunch of people riding bikes. It is first and foremost, entertainment.
Half the entertainment value in any sport is fans pissing and moaning about the rules.
"Riders" is a term I am able to define without the help of the almighty UCI, and "team" as in a group of "riders" aiming for the same goal (usually).
If those riders are taking part in a UCI race, they are defined as such by the UCI, and the UCI can stop someone being able to be defined as a rider, by barring participation. The UCI are indeed 'almigtly', in that without them you would have no sport to watch.
I don't see how you could watch a sport which does something as bad as (in your opinion) stripping someone of their title in the tdf because of a 'bad test'.
If the UCI starts stripping titles of riders when there is credible evidence that the testing process is flawed, the UCI will lose fans. They need to keep a fan base or they will go away. The fans are where the money is that keeps the sport alive. How many of those people you see lining the mountain stages are there cheering the UCI vs. how many are there to see the riders and cheer them on? It's a sport, and #1, it is entertainment.
Piss the fans off and cycling will find a new governing body, or split into different "leagues". That probably wouldn't be a bad thing.
CosmicRocker
07-31-06, 08:05 AM
bellweatherman:
Greg Lemond, who made a comment actually supporting Floyd and saying what a stand-up guy he is
I think you have it backwards. Armstrong has NEVER failed a drug test and was probably THE most tested athlete on the planet the last 2 or 3 years he raced. Lemond is the f-ing punk. Did you watch the TDF and see all of the features OLN did on him? He was going on and on and on about all of the Tours he could have won if he had not got shot. Maybe so, but let some OTHER American win more than 3 (Lemond's total) and he HAS to be doping. Lemond is no longer the American icon when it comes to cycling and he has become bitter about it.
And now, he wants Landis to admit doping.
I would give up cycling before I rode a Lemond bike.
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5828306
iluvfreebeer
07-31-06, 08:07 AM
I'm not a Lance fan but CosmicRocker is correct. He's probably the most tested athlete in history and NEVER failed a test (Except when he was using an APPROVED topical corticosteroid for saddle sores)
Lance did it all naturally, even with one nut. Gotta' give him his due.
http://www.conservativelife.com/images/israel.gif
bellweatherman
07-31-06, 09:41 AM
Dude. Get real. Lance DID test positive. On more than one occasion. He got off on a technicality. Dude has more ex-teamates that says he's used EPO than anybody. Don't you know he's consulted with Dr Ferrari (the dope doc) for all those years? He's got some asteriks next to all those Tour wins in alot of people's eye.
I'm not a Lance fan but CosmicRocker is correct. He's probably the most tested athlete in history and NEVER failed a test
Neither did Basso, Ullrich or all the other guys who got caught eventually. Except Lance did test positive.
Albany-12303
07-31-06, 10:23 AM
He was on NPR last friday.
Landis said, during this interview, that he expects the B sample also to be positive at which point he will be subjected to some endrocrinolgical tests (and the samples will be tested again with a more definitive Carbon isotope test).
He sounded kind of nervous....
pathdoc
07-31-06, 11:00 AM
There are saying we'll know today whether or not Landis is stripped of his Tour victory.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14059185/
iluvfreebeer
07-31-06, 11:03 AM
Dude. Get real. Lance DID test positive. On more than one occasion. He got off on a technicality. Dude has more ex-teamates that says he's used EPO than anybody. Don't you know he's consulted with Dr Ferrari (the dope doc) for all those years? He's got some asteriks next to all those Tour wins in alot of people's eye.
Interesting.
Please respond with the exact dates, test results, etc.
iluvfreebeer
07-31-06, 11:06 AM
Neither did Basso, Ullrich or all the other guys who got caught eventually. Except Lance did test positive.
Basso and Ulrich have not been "caught", or tested positive. They're victims of the EuroPeon Napoleonic JustUs system in the UCI and Pro Cycling.
If any of them test positive or are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, they should fry.
But that hasn't happened to those in question.
Personally, I'm disgusted that Hamilton gets back into the game soon.
flythebike
07-31-06, 09:24 PM
Personally, I'm disgusted that Hamilton gets back into the game soon.
That remains to be seen. Operation Puerto has turned up some stuff and even if he does get back in this year it will only be for a week or two. And I haven't heard that he has put ink to a contract.
I believed Tyler too, just like I believe Floyd now. But after he lost at CAS I was convinced that he was full of it. If he wants to try to come back to pro cycling at age 36 and he can do it clean then more power to him.
Karlotta
07-31-06, 09:49 PM
That remains to be seen. Operation Puerto has turned up some stuff and even if he does get back in this year it will only be for a week or two. And I haven't heard that he has put ink to a contract.
I believed Tyler too, just like I believe Floyd now. But after he lost at CAS I was convinced that he was full of it. If he wants to try to come back to pro cycling at age 36 and he can do it clean then more power to him.
Read somewhere that the UCI might not allow him to come back on a ProTour team... because his conviction was after the new guidelines that allow the ProTour ban to extend an additional 2 yrs. But haven't seen this confirmed anywhere.
bellweatherman
08-07-06, 01:34 AM
Armstrong just commented on the 2nd positive test on TV. Said it was a real shame and a big blow to cyling. Said he still supports the sport and then took another jab at Greg Lemond. Nothing new with the Mr 7 time prick it appears.
hombredebicycle
08-07-06, 09:38 AM
There are two possibilities.
Floyd took testosterone.
Someone slipped him testosterone.
The test is wrong.
Whoops, thats three possibilities.
The odds of both the ratio test and the isotope test being wrong are miniscule.
Less than 2-3/1000.
So either FLoyd took it or someone gave it to him.
In the meantime it doesnt matter.
Recall Scott Moniger proved he took a supplement that had the contaminant in it that made him turn positive and he still had a big suspension--and the USADA had all the data and believed Scott. He actually proved the vitamins or whatever had contaminants in them and he was suspended, so its game over for Floyd.
If the UCI starts stripping titles of riders when there is credible evidence that the testing process is flawed, the UCI will lose fans. They need to keep a fan base or they will go away. The fans are where the money is that keeps the sport alive. How many of those people you see lining the mountain stages are there cheering the UCI vs. how many are there to see the riders and cheer them on? It's a sport, and #1, it is entertainment.
Piss the fans off and cycling will find a new governing body, or split into different "leagues". That probably wouldn't be a bad thing.
Off-topic, but anyway:
The UCI has 2 choices: let everyone go and do their thing, and accept a few deaths every year for mis-use of doping, or join the bandwagon and try and control doping. They took the latter option, predictably and reasonably. Every fan whose hero gets caught will believe the testing is flawed, and will be pissed off. Major League Baseball (and National Hockey League) took the first option, and everyone is happy, trying hard to ignore how many of the players are doped, how much, and what may happen to them as a result. Neither is a bad choice, as long as you accept the consequences and are consequent with the choices made. I think Americans are more familiar with the first option, since it is in place in all major pro sports, and thus tend to over-react on the consequences of the second option.
flythebike
08-07-06, 10:17 AM
Recall Scott Moniger proved he took a supplement that had the contaminant in it that made him turn positive and he still had a big suspension--and the USADA had all the data and believed Scott. He actually proved the vitamins or whatever had contaminants in them and he was suspended, so its game over for Floyd.
No - he got a slap on the wrist - 6 months. Still painful, especially since he is older, but 6 months is a big difference than 2 years.
Helmet Head
08-07-06, 10:28 AM
If he wants to try to come back to pro cycling at age 36 and he can do it clean then more power to him.
Why should he have to do it clean when nobody else is doing it clean?
Just because he was unlucky enough to use a method that they were able to catch?
How is that fair play?
Helmet Head
08-07-06, 10:31 AM
Armstrong just commented on the 2nd positive test on TV. Said it was a real shame and a big blow to cyling. Said he still supports the sport and then took another jab at Greg Lemond. Nothing new with the Mr 7 time prick it appears.
A big blow to cycling. What is? That Floyd used steroids? Or that he overdid it, or underdid the masking, and got caught?
Lance still supports the sport - despite the pervasive doping - and then took another jab at LeMond. For what? Because LeMond wants the sport cleaned up - like that's not supporting the sport.
I'm starting to respect LeMond and his position more and more.
Voodoo76
08-07-06, 10:57 AM
I think Americans are more familiar with the first option, since it is in place in all major pro sports, and thus tend to over-react on the consequences of the second option.
This comes to mind almost every pro football game I watch. You see some dude out there with a broken hand or shoulder separation and the announcers raving about how he "plays with pain". Yea right.
flythebike
08-07-06, 12:35 PM
Why should he have to do it clean when nobody else is doing it clean?
Just because he was unlucky enough to use a method that they were able to catch?
How is that fair play?
I don't accept the notion that everyone is cheating. If you want to, that is fine. You certainly have a right to your opinion and you may well be correct.
I resent Tyler Hamilton for all his vanishing twin nonsense and the fact that he still insists he didn't cheat, despite sufficient evidence to the contrary.
Just because some people cheat it doesn't make it right if he does too, that isn't fair either. I'm not out there cheating and that is all I know for sure.
sweetjt
08-07-06, 02:10 PM
Armstrong, Basso and Ullrich are all on equal footing. All three have been connected to doping doctors. If two are found to be guilty, and the third consistently beat the other two, then either doping is not much of an advantage, or the third was doping. The tunnelvision by Americans regarding Armstrong is shocking to me.
bellweatherman
08-08-06, 07:40 AM
Armstrong, Basso and Ullrich are all on equal footing. All three have been connected to doping doctors. If two are found to be guilty, and the third consistently beat the other two, then either doping is not much of an advantage, or the third was doping. The tunnelvision by Americans regarding Armstrong is shocking to me.
Barry is connected to a dope doctor and he is guilty. So is Lance Armstrong. He is connected to a dope doctor. GUILTY!
Barry is connected to a dope doctor and he is guilty. So is Lance Armstrong. He is connected to a dope doctor. GUILTY!
You start meeting with a dr who specialized in doping in an abandoned parking lot then lie AND have failed multiple tests? Yes you are guilty in the eyes of any reasonable person. Shouldn;t strip his victories like Landis but he's guilty none the less.
bellweatherman
08-09-06, 09:24 AM
You start meeting with a dr who specialized in doping in an abandoned parking lot then lie AND have failed multiple tests? Yes you are guilty in the eyes of any reasonable person. Shouldn;t strip his victories like Landis but he's guilty none the less.
They didn't strip Armstrong of those 7 victories, but he's certainly not a REAL champion in many people's eye.
... The tunnelvision by Americans regarding Armstrong is shocking to me.
I'm not sure that this happens. Most Americans I know that care about the sport at all think he doped. They just don't care. He dominated the TDF. Given the feeling that most/all the athletes dope, it was a fair race and he dominated it. Why should he be ashamed?
hombredebicycle
08-09-06, 02:10 PM
Wow, i thought Monigers suspension was longer so thanks for the correction, but yes it took a year out of his racing.
There is no way in hell FLoyd is getting off unless he has a video of Frenchy Doctors pissing in his tube.
It doesnt matter in terms of the suspension whether FLoyd knows or not how it got there.
Its there and the synthetic testosterone is an open and shut test.
The T/E ratio is interpretive and some of the evidence surrounding FLoyd's test is odd and the release of the info to the press is bad but the science behind this test is a lock. Very different from Tyler's test and I am NOT opening that one up for discussion so lets no "go there."
But the science of the isotope test is very cut and dried...and I am a FLoyd supporter!
There's just no daylight here at all folks, game over.
Did Lance really fail tests? Anyone have any links to information regarding this?
Helmet Head
08-09-06, 08:49 PM
Start with the Lance Armstrong page at Wikipedia.org.
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