billallbritten
08-04-06, 11:25 AM
Saturday 5MAY06
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14059185/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14059185/
Professional Cycling For the Fans - MSNBC: B Sample results to be released at 5:00AM EDT
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shakeNbake
08-04-06, 11:37 AM
Don't hold your breath though.
Helmet Head
08-04-06, 01:12 PM
If you search for "Floyd Landis" at news.google.com, and sort by date, all of the top hits are about Floyd waiting for the B sample results. Talk about missing the story.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
One view is that Pantani, Virenque, Millar, Simoni, Hamilton, Heras, Basso, Ullrich, Mancebo and now Landis (not to mention all the rest) are the only guilty ones, the cheaters, and all those not proved to be guilty (Armstrong, Pereiro. Sastre, Valverde, Leipheimer, Hincapie, Zabriskie, Vino, Kloden, etc.) are actually clean. I believe that view, while based on a noble premise (presume innocence until guilt is proven) blinds its adherence to the truth of what is actually going on, and so inhibits us from addressing it effectively (you can't solve a problem that you don't even acknowledge).
The story should be about the pervasiveness of doping in cycling, not about Floyd happening to get caught.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
One view is that Pantani, Virenque, Millar, Simoni, Hamilton, Heras, Basso, Ullrich, Mancebo and now Landis (not to mention all the rest) are the only guilty ones, the cheaters, and all those not proved to be guilty (Armstrong, Pereiro. Sastre, Valverde, Leipheimer, Hincapie, Zabriskie, Vino, Kloden, etc.) are actually clean. I believe that view, while based on a noble premise (presume innocence until guilt is proven) blinds its adherence to the truth of what is actually going on, and so inhibits us from addressing it effectively (you can't solve a problem that you don't even acknowledge).
The story should be about the pervasiveness of doping in cycling, not about Floyd happening to get caught.
DieselDan
08-04-06, 04:49 PM
It is 7pm EDT, and nothing on Landis's "B" sample. I even checked lequipe.fr .
Helmet Head
08-04-06, 05:11 PM
Dan, the results will be released SATURDAY morning. Right now it's still Friday. Well, it just turned Saturday in France, but it's only midnight there. 10 more hours. You can do it.
PolishPostal
08-04-06, 05:56 PM
I have a bad feeling about the B sample.
Helmet Head
08-04-06, 06:04 PM
If Floyd is lucky, someone will spill the sample or something. Otherwise, he's toast.
Blaireau
08-04-06, 06:34 PM
If Floyd is lucky, someone will spill the sample or something. Otherwise, he's toast.
Burned toast. He is.
Burned toast. He is.
KilgoreTrout595
08-04-06, 06:53 PM
anyway the traces they found were of a synthetic, man made testosterone. he is guilty, and i hate him.
High Cadence
08-04-06, 07:40 PM
But Jose Maria Buxeda, one of Landis' lawyers, said Thursday he still believes Landis will prove his innocence even if the backup sample is positive.
"He's pretty sure we will be able to prove, if this result is confirmed, that it is due to natural causes," Buxeda said.
Even Johnny Cochran would have a hard time proving that the SYNTHETIC TESTOSTERONE that they found in his system was due to natural causes.
"He's pretty sure we will be able to prove, if this result is confirmed, that it is due to natural causes," Buxeda said.
Even Johnny Cochran would have a hard time proving that the SYNTHETIC TESTOSTERONE that they found in his system was due to natural causes.
merlinextraligh
08-04-06, 08:20 PM
defintely time to go chewbaca
DieselDan
08-04-06, 08:31 PM
Dan, the results will be released SATURDAY morning. Right now it's still Friday. Well, it just turned Saturday in France, but it's only midnight there. 10 more hours. You can do it.
The sun and a f-ed work schedule messed me up, I thought it was Saturday all day.:crash:
The sun and a f-ed work schedule messed me up, I thought it was Saturday all day.:crash:
furiousferret
08-04-06, 09:10 PM
If you search for "Floyd Landis" at news.google.com, and sort by date, all of the top hits are about Floyd waiting for the B sample results. Talk about missing the story.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
I have to agree with this. At first I thought it was more selective, but with so many Phonak and Liberty Seguros riders getting busted, and the fact that these are 2 crappy teams in the UCI make me wonder what the top level teams are taking.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
I have to agree with this. At first I thought it was more selective, but with so many Phonak and Liberty Seguros riders getting busted, and the fact that these are 2 crappy teams in the UCI make me wonder what the top level teams are taking.
shakeNbake
08-04-06, 11:53 PM
defintely time to go chewbaca
+1
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/0330chewbacca.jpg
+1
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/0330chewbacca.jpg
C_Heath
08-05-06, 12:11 AM
only 2:45 mminutes to go! lol
Poppaspoke
08-05-06, 01:49 AM
If you search for "Floyd Landis" at news.google.com, and sort by date, all of the top hits are about Floyd waiting for the B sample results. Talk about missing the story.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
...
The story should be about the pervasiveness of doping in cycling, not about Floyd happening to get caught.
1) Is there a testing regime that would be less subject to...well, manipulation
or clever management by teams and riders? This would shed light on the
actual incidence of doping.
2) Does it make sense to impose a lifetime ban on riders who take prohibited
performance-enhancing drugs? The calculation might then change for a rider
considering their use.
3) At some level, the teams are aware of what their riders are doing. Team officials
who fail to exercise proper control should be held accountable. I'm not sure how
this would be done, but it needs to be looked at.
It's time the American public is informed by the media, like the French public has known for years, that illegal performance enhancement is PERVASIVE in bicycling racing (and all other sports at the highest levels), that the tests only catch a tiny portion of the guilty, and so those who are actualy found guilty are simply unlucky as compared to the others, or maybe were a little bit sloppier.
It's a system that works like a lottery that effectively selects careers to ruin at random.
...
The story should be about the pervasiveness of doping in cycling, not about Floyd happening to get caught.
1) Is there a testing regime that would be less subject to...well, manipulation
or clever management by teams and riders? This would shed light on the
actual incidence of doping.
2) Does it make sense to impose a lifetime ban on riders who take prohibited
performance-enhancing drugs? The calculation might then change for a rider
considering their use.
3) At some level, the teams are aware of what their riders are doing. Team officials
who fail to exercise proper control should be held accountable. I'm not sure how
this would be done, but it needs to be looked at.
miyata610
08-05-06, 02:45 AM
it has been announced.
He failed.
He failed.
Helmet Head
08-05-06, 02:51 AM
1) Is there a testing regime that would be less subject to...well, manipulation
or clever management by teams and riders? This would shed light on the
actual incidence of doping.
2) Does it make sense to impose a lifetime ban on riders who take prohibited
performance-enhancing drugs? The calculation might then change for a rider
considering their use.
3) At some level, the teams are aware of what their riders are doing. Team officials
who fail to exercise proper control should be held accountable. I'm not sure how
this would be done, but it needs to be looked at.
1) Not yet. And the riders seem to always be several steps ahead, for the most part (getting caught is the exception).
2) No. The odds of getting caught are too low. You can give them the death penalty for getting caught using and they still will. That's now dedicated they are to... winning.
3) That makes more sense. I believe LeMond has suggested suspending the entire team whenever any one rider is caught.
or clever management by teams and riders? This would shed light on the
actual incidence of doping.
2) Does it make sense to impose a lifetime ban on riders who take prohibited
performance-enhancing drugs? The calculation might then change for a rider
considering their use.
3) At some level, the teams are aware of what their riders are doing. Team officials
who fail to exercise proper control should be held accountable. I'm not sure how
this would be done, but it needs to be looked at.
1) Not yet. And the riders seem to always be several steps ahead, for the most part (getting caught is the exception).
2) No. The odds of getting caught are too low. You can give them the death penalty for getting caught using and they still will. That's now dedicated they are to... winning.
3) That makes more sense. I believe LeMond has suggested suspending the entire team whenever any one rider is caught.