Advocacy & Safety - "Get off the road."

This was yelled at me yesterday while on my commute home. I had to stop at the bank on the way. The branch I went to is sort of on the way home. I have never ridden in this section of town on a bike before. It is a heavily travelled commercial area. The bank is next to a new shopping complex that is still underconstruction which means the traffic has increased because of the businesses that are open in the new area. The roadways leading up to & around the shopping area are 4 lane, most are 30 to 35 mph. This is right next to the hwy 20/75 bypass where there are also entrance & exits to the bypass.

Instead of turning left at the intersection I normally turn at on my commute I turned right to go to the bank. I then had to turn left at another intersection, then turn right to get to the bank. when I made the second turn which was left it was in a left turn lane with an arrow. I was the first one in the lane with traffic behind me & traffic oncoming that wanted to turn right. We got the green arrow & proceeded through the turn. As I was doing so the oncoming vehicle that wanted to turn right attempted to do so. I made eye contact with the driver, shook my head no & sounded my airzound. He got a ugly glaring look on his face indicating he was not happy I was in his way & preventing him from turning. He had the red. While it is legal to make a right turn on red, you can only do so if there is no oncoming left turning or cross traffic. Those of us turning left were the oncoming traffic in this situation. This was during a very busy time of the day. I was turning left from a 4 lane to a 4 lane divided roadway. When I make left turns like this at busy intersections I take the shortes possible route across with out cutting the corner.

The oncoming right turning vehicle had to wait for those of us in the turn lane to get through before he turned. I was almost to my 3rd turn, a right one when that vehicle passed me in the left lane, I was in the right. As it passed a lady rolled down her window, yelled "GET OFF THE ROAD!", then rolled the window back up. I gave them a big cheesy smile, waived at them like they were my best buddies & sounded the airzound at them. They looked at me like I was nuts or something. They also looked confused & then more pissed off. They turned left & I turned right & that was the end of it.

I used to flip people the finger, now I do as I mentioned above. It drives them crazy, makes them look really confused & makes them more angry. I don't know why they get more angry with me though. All I am doing is smiling, waiving & I now sound the airzound. A while back with one person I even was able to talk to like they were my best friend I had not seen in a long time. Boy was that guy confused at that one.

The bank had no problem with me going through the drive through on my bike as the lobby was closed.

No one ever yells at me to get off the road.
I must look like I belong there. :)

NC, it sounds like you have the right attitude about motorist confrontation.

But seriously, you could have told the above story in a single paragraph.
I don't mean to be insulting or flippant, but if you want readers to stay with you through your post
you need to work on editing your stories. The only relavent points are that you were in an unfamilar part of town at a busy time of day making a left from a controlled intersection and then the interesting "get off the road" portion. The rest is just tedious cartography that is irrelevant to your story.
Please don't be angry. I could be completely wrong, it's just my opinion.

No one ever yells at me to get off the road.
I must look like I belong there. :)

I generally don't get yelled at. I think I got yelled at this time because they people perceived it as me disrupting their commute. They did not expect me to accelerate through my turn as quickly as I did.

I imagine all the other times I was yelled at was because it was perceived as me disrupting someones commute & slowing them down. Granted this driver had to wait until all of the traffic turning left was clear so he could turn right. The ironic thing was I headed right for & got into the right lane, the oncoming driver turning right wanted the left lane. The traffic behind me in the turn lane took the left lane to get around me. Even if I was not making the turn there would have been left turning traffic that would want both the right & left lanes after they completed their turn. So this oncoming driver would have had to wait anyway. Again he just perceived me as a disruption in his commute and his ***** of a wife decided to take it out on me by yelling. It is sad when a man has to have his woman fight his battles for him. I know who wears the pants in his family. What a *****, didn't have the balls to yell at me himself.

Again he just perceived me as a disruption in his commute and his ***** of a wife decided to take it out on me by yelling. It is sad when a man has to have his woman fight his battles for him. I know who wears the pants in his family. What a *****, didn't have the balls to yell at me himself.
Maybe next time they are along side you they will take a page out of the N_C book of communication technique. And blow a f'ing Air Zound Horn in your ear in order to piss you off. Tit for tat, eh?

The part where "the motorist has to wait for other traffic anyway" always gets to me... as if somehow we are the cause for whatever delays other motorists feel... when in fact they are stuck because of their fellow motorists... yet somehow want to blame cyclists.

Just goes to show how little reasoning really goes on behind the steering wheel.

Maybe next time they are along side you they will take a page out of the N_C book of communication technique. And blow a f'ing Air Zound Horn in your ear in order to piss you off. Tit for tat, eh?

WTF is wrong with you dude?

Using the airzound was to get their attention the first time as a method to say do not proceed or you'll collide with me, maybe a 3 second blast, at a distance of probably 8 feet. The second time was a friendly signal as I was waiving at them, it was a quick little toot at a distance of probably 2 feet, they were next to me & passing. So neither was in their ear.

Point is I had the right of way, the oncoming vehicle did not.

Sounds to me like a textbook perfect series of turns to a desired destination, couple with a proper, non-confrontational, response to a pair of pinheads.

WTF is wrong with you dude?

Using the airzound was to get their attention the first time as a method to say do not proceed or you'll collide with me, maybe a 3 second blast, at a distance of probably 8 feet. The second time was a friendly signal as I was waiving at them, it was a quick little toot at a distance of probably 2 feet, they were next to me & passing. So neither was in their ear.
WTF is the matter with me ? Assuming you've got any sense at all, that's what. I won't make that mistake again.
Air Zounds are never friendly ways of communicating, especially emanating from a cycling Dud looking for ways to confuse or make others angry and then act all kinds of innocent. The OP clearly indicates it is just another way to give the finger to those that displease the cycling Dud.

I used to flip people the finger, now I do as I mentioned above. It drives them crazy, makes them look really confused & makes them more angry. I don't know why they get more angry with me though. All I am doing is smiling, waiving & I now sound the airzound.

WTF is the matter with me ? Assuming you've got any sense at all, that's what. I won't make that mistake again.
Air Zounds are never friendly ways of communicating, especially emanating from a cycling Dud looking for ways to confuse or make others angry and then act all kinds of innocent. The OP clearly indicates it is just another way to give the finger to those that displease the cycling Dud.


I doubt sounding the airzound makes them angry. After I stopped flipping the bird but before I got the airzound I would just smile, waive & if possible say thank you in a really cheerfull voice like they were a best friend I had not seen in a long time. This confused & made them angry. So the airzound has nothing to do with it. Cagers react this way regardless if I use the airzound.

Also, if I flip the bird they did not get angry they woule either return the gesture or just drive away.

My guess is when I flipped them off it told them they got to me, which gives them a sense of satisfaction. By now reacting the way I do they see they did not get to me & it angers them. Again this is just an educated guess. But I have a hunch I am correct.

I am not acting innocent. I sounded the airzound with a purpose & for a reason. I did nothing wrong. The oncoming motorist almost did by turning into my path.

I think the Airzound is a harmless but effective psychological equalizer. It's like squirtgunning a dog - doesn't hurt'm, just takes them out of their mindset and gives you a few seconds.

I think the Airzound is a harmless but effective psychological equalizer. It's like squirtgunning a dog - doesn't hurt'm, just takes them out of their mindset and gives you a few seconds.

That is exactly what it did the first time I used it in this case. I know cagers have a tendency to have selective vision. Maybe this cager did not "see" me as a result of his selective vision. Maybe because I sounding the airzound it got his attention & he did see me. Maybe it helped save my ass in this case.

Ok maybe the second time I did not need to send out the friendly toot & just should have stuck with waiving & smiling as I used to before I got the airzound. But I didn't, it still doesn't mean I did anything wrong.

I doubt sounding the airzound makes them angry. After I stopped flipping the bird but before I got the airzound I would just smile, waive & if possible say thank you in a really cheerfull voice like they were a best friend I had not seen in a long time. This confused & made them angry. So the airzound has nothing to do with it. Cagers react this way regardless if I use the airzound.

Also, if I flip the bird they did not get angry they woule either return the gesture or just drive away.

My guess is when I flipped them off it told them they got to me, which gives them a sense of satisfaction. By now reacting the way I do they see they did not get to me & it angers them. Again this is just an educated guess. But I have a hunch I am correct.

I am not acting innocent. I sounded the airzound with a purpose & for a reason. I did nothing wrong. The oncoming motorist almost did by turning into my path.


I agree.

hahah, that's hilarious that you used an airzound on a car. If I were driving nearby, I'd be laughing my ass off.

I imagine there wer other cagers laughing. The thing is I know the cagers hear it. The damn thing is 115 decibals, louder then a lot of car horns & a higher tone. Even with windows rolled up it can be heard. From what I understand is is approved as a signalling device by the U.S. Coast Guard. I guess people use them on watercraft as well.

This thread is a pretty good ad for an Air Zound. I have been thinking about getting one. I'll bet it surprises the hell out of these people that you can be so loud. Kind of turning the whole "might makes right" thing on its head. Kind of like becoming a puffer fish or some kind of animal that gets real big in order to scare their predators, just for a moment.

I have tried, generally successfully, to break myself of any bad habits involving obscene gestures and/or verbiage. A friendly wave and/or a smile is a thoroughly disarming response to horn honks, "get off the road," etc. I recall when air horns first came out in the early 1970s, and we did quite a business in them at Bikecology for awhile, but I haven't used one in years. I am not shy about raising my voice to enhance my safety, but I try to be careful about the content of my message when I do. :)

This was yelled at me yesterday while on my commute home. I had to stop at the bank on the way. The branch I went to is sort of on the way home. I have never ridden in this section of town on a bike before. It is a heavily travelled commercial area. The bank is next to a new shopping complex that is still underconstruction which means the traffic has increased because of the businesses that are open in the new area. The roadways leading up to & around the shopping area are 4 lane, most are 30 to 35 mph. This is right next to the hwy 20/75 bypass where there are also entrance & exits to the bypass.

Instead of turning left at the intersection I normally turn at on my commute I turned right to go to the bank. I then had to turn left at another intersection, then turn right to get to the bank. when I made the second turn which was left it was in a left turn lane with an arrow. I was the first one in the lane with traffic behind me & traffic oncoming that wanted to turn right. We got the green arrow & proceeded through the turn. As I was doing so the oncoming vehicle that wanted to turn right attempted to do so. I made eye contact with the driver, shook my head no & sounded my airzound. He got a ugly glaring look on his face indicating he was not happy I was in his way & preventing him from turning. He had the red. While it is legal to make a right turn on red, you can only do so if there is no oncoming left turning or cross traffic. Those of us turning left were the oncoming traffic in this situation. This was during a very busy time of the day. I was turning left from a 4 lane to a 4 lane divided roadway. When I make left turns like this at busy intersections I take the shortes possible route across with out cutting the corner.

The oncoming right turning vehicle had to wait for those of us in the turn lane to get through before he turned. I was almost to my 3rd turn, a right one when that vehicle passed me in the left lane, I was in the right. As it passed a lady rolled down her window, yelled "GET OFF THE ROAD!", then rolled the window back up. I gave them a big cheesy smile, waived at them like they were my best buddies & sounded the airzound at them. They looked at me like I was nuts or something. They also looked confused & then more pissed off. They turned left & I turned right & that was the end of it.

I used to flip people the finger, now I do as I mentioned above. It drives them crazy, makes them look really confused & makes them more angry. I don't know why they get more angry with me though. All I am doing is smiling, waiving & I now sound the airzound. A while back with one person I even was able to talk to like they were my best friend I had not seen in a long time. Boy was that guy confused at that one.

The bank had no problem with me going through the drive through on my bike as the lobby was closed.
N_C, I particularily like the big smile and wave, it does confuse the heck out of them.....or you get a sheepish look back and a smile and a wave from them the next time you see them. http://www.talkdisney.com/forums/images/smilies/goofy.gif

USCG approved whistles are availble at the marine supply store and are of similar decibel level. costs less, no need to refill, just keep it around the neck, and clamped in teeth if in the thick of it.


I think the sound warning is a good one. no foul.

I sold my Air Zound horn. If I wanted to be an annoying car I would drive one. I find I am less stressed (antagonistic) with not having one. My bell workes fine for peds on trails. I simply do not yell at people because it is a waste of time. We don't have any authority to tell others how to drive. Our interest is simply to do our best to keep ourselves safe. We cannot control every person's reaction to us legally riding on the road. I find that since I took my Road I (League of American Bicyclists) course drivers don't honk as much. Plus they are getting used to more cyclists on the road since gas prices increased. You will always have some nutty person yell "get off the road or get on the sidewalk". Just do your best to cycle safely and V.C. and all should be well.

Keep Cycling!

I sold my Air Zound horn. If I wanted to be an annoying car I would drive one. I find I am less stressed (antagonistic) with not having one. My bell workes fine for peds on trails. I simply do not yell at people because it is a waste of time. We don't have any authority to tell others how to drive.
Of course, antagonizing those who annoy N_C IS the goal. Whether its fireworks, helmets, position on the highway or the handlebars, there is always a reason to be annoyed and toot your horn, eh N_C? Sounding off with an air horn other than as an emergency warning is the mark of a jerk.

Of course, antagonizing those who annoy N_C IS the goal. Whether its fireworks, helmets, position on the highway or the handlebars, there is always a reason to be annoyed and toot your horn, eh N_C? Sounding off with an air horn other than as an emergency warning is the mark of a jerk.

Well I guess that's your opinion, not everyone shares it. In this case your opinion is like an *******, everyone has one & they stink. Of course that is my opinion & not everyone shares it either.

Why do you mention fireworks? I don't recall mentioning an issue with fireworks.

I think i'm going to get a cannister airhorn at the marine supply store and strap it to my bike, for the express purpose of informing asshat drivers of their malfeasance.

I think i'm going to get a cannister airhorn at the marine supply store and strap it to my bike, for the express purpose of informing asshat drivers of their malfeasance.

Are these the disposable kind or can you refill them?

Why do you mention fireworks? I don't recall mentioning an issue with fireworks.
Better check for onset of Alzheimer's disease.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=2735483&postcount=1

Better check for onset of Alzheimer's disease.

If I did mention fireworks somewhere I did, that don't mean I remember it. Shouldn't you be in bed old man?

disposable. i like to antagonize those that have already offended flagrantly. for all the lala latte land false cache we possess, Seattle has some ANGRY drivers. they're everywhere though, i know....

in the vain of the airzound i installed a train horn on my truck for the sole purpose of letting bad drivers know just how bad they are...it accomplishes the same thing...the look of bewilderment on their faces after they cut me off is enough for me to laugh at the situation...to tell the truth...i actually look forward to people cutting me off now...i have fun with it...

and don't you guys worry your pretty little heads...i never ever honk at cyclists as i am one and that thing is so loud i know it would send some poor fred off into the bushes if i laid on it beside him...now when it comes to women, children, and senior citizen pedestrians...i might honk once in a while just to show them i care...

I like the smiling and waving part, too. I try doing that to people...especially after the immigration fiasco exploded recently. I had some arsehat call me a racial epithet and I gave him the cheesy grin. Good times.


NC, it sounds like you have the right attitude about motorist confrontation.

But seriously, you could have told the above story in a single paragraph.

The rest is just tedious cartography that is irrelevant to your story.
Please don't be angry. I could be completely wrong, it's just my opinion.

I must disagree with you, Treespeed, although I do see where you're coming from. I see the story he has, and then more information which directly and indirectly relates to the story.


Maybe next time they are along side you they will take a page out of the N_C book of communication technique. And blow a f'ing Air Zound Horn in your ear in order to piss you off. Tit for tat, eh?

Maybe they will have that consideration if they're in a really quiet vehicle and need to announce their presence.


Sounding off with an air horn other than as an emergency warning is the mark of a jerk.

Or the mark of someone who uses tools available to one to make one's presence known. It's not unheard of. Many motorcyclists do it, why shouldn't bicyclists do it? I announce my presence to pedestrians with my bell when approaching, why not announce the same presence to cars when unsure of their attentiveness towards you.

Granted, he was not using the airzound to announce his presence, but rather to defuse a situation. He smiled, waved, and sounded a horn. This is obviously an attempt to nullify hostilities, not to increase them. He did mention that his actions tend to make people angrier, but with my experience, that increased anger dissipates much quicker than anger brought about by the middle finger.

Quit giving Iowa a bad name you dorks.

NC, it sounds like you have the right attitude about motorist confrontation.

But seriously, you could have told the above story in a single paragraph.
I don't mean to be insulting or flippant, but if you want readers to stay with you through your post
you need to work on editing your stories. .

I liked his story and thought it well written.

Better check for onset of Alzheimer's disease.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=2735483&postcount=1
I personally think the Airzound is a great idea for bikes. And smiling / waving? Perfect! I'm going to get me one of those. Nice story N_C altho it could have been a little shorter!

No one ever yells at me to get off the road.
I must look like I belong there. :)

Yup, that's what they mean when they say you look like ten miles of bad road, bro. :p

For the folks that think that the AirZound can only be used to scare/shock/annoy it's far from only that.
Most of the time I use quick 'toot toot' to stop cellphone-gabbing-minivan-ladies from pulling out of sidestreets

Only time that I had anybody even come close to yelling at me so far this year was on guy who buzzed his way by, then looked in his rear view and motioned for me to move over on to the sidewalk. I smiled, shook my head no and motioned that he needed to be riding a bike instead of driving. Not exactly earth shattering I know, but there it is.

For the folks that think that the AirZound can only be used to scare/shock/annoy it's far from only that.
Most of the time I use quick 'toot toot' to stop cellphone-gabbing-minivan-ladies from pulling out of sidestreets

I sound my airzound at every cell phone talking cager I see if they are driving. It interrupts them & gets their attention. 9 times out of 10 it is cagers who are passing way to close because they are on the phone 7 not paying attention to their driving. I have had to stop at a gas station to refill the bottle with air there were so many one day. Do people need to be that damn connected to others in their lives? I doubt it. But if you're going to talk on the phone & your in a car pull off the road to do so.

An airzound has good uses. It's just not for me.

There are electric horns (CyclePro brand) out there that are self contained that will put out a similar volume level, and are cheaper...that would be more suitable for use to alert motorists. After all, most folks can't really har you yell at the top of your lungs or ring your bell when they have the windows up and the music at even moderate levels....let alone are screwing around on the cellphone.

If cars honk at bikes for doing stupid things, might as well be able to honk at cars for doing stupid things as well. Horn honk is the standard warning in traffic.

I sound my airzound at every cell phone talking cager I see if they are driving. It interrupts them & gets their attention.

Case closed on the purpose of this air Zounder: drawing attention to himself in his never ending quest to antagonize those who displease the biggest cycling busybody.

No one ever yells at me to get off the road.
I must look like I belong there. :)
:beer: :beer: :beer:

Case closed on the purpose of this air Zounder: drawing attention to himself in his never ending quest to antagonize those who displease the biggest cycling busybody.

Nice to see you manipulate what I said to fit what you're saying. I only do this when the cager passes too close. I also do it to cagers who pass too close even if they are not on a cell phone. Oh I also sound it when a cager is going to pull out in front of me from a stopped position when I have the right of way & they want to turn right. Remeber what I stated about selective vision from cagers. This is prone to happen when cagers are looking to see if it is clear so they can make a turn. Whether on purpose or not makes no differance to me. I use the airzound to get their attention for my own safety. It works.

Or would you rather I not use it & get hit by a cager who through selective vision did not see me or when a cager passes to close when they think they have enough room? Is this the point you're trying to get across? You wish that I be hit by a cager to teach me a lesson? It sure seems that way.

BTW even when a cager does not have selective vision & can & does see me they still try to pull out into my path because they think they can make it in time with out colliding with me. A blast from the airzound tells them otherwise & to think twice about their choice.

Case closed on the purpose of this air Zounder: drawing attention to himself in his never ending quest to antagonize those who displease the biggest cycling busybody.

Don't know about the busybody part, but "drawing attention to oneself" is a key ingrediant to not being hit by motorists. I wear funny multicolored clothing for this... others fly flags, yet others wear dayglow yellow, or powerweave.

The day you don't work to be recognized by motorists with whom you share the street, is the day you are likely to be hit... and hear: "I just didn't see the cyclist."

the ironic thing is that we have congestion because this country relies too much on cars and not bicycles like other countries. what if some of us can't afford a car at the moment. it is really unconsiderate for others to consider bicyclists as undeserving to commute. and it is disrespectful to the law since the law gives cyclist's the right to use the road.

Don't know about the busybody part, but "drawing attention to oneself" is a key ingrediant to not being hit by motorists. I wear funny multicolored clothing for this... others fly flags, yet others wear dayglow yellow, or powerweave.

The day you don't work to be recognized by motorists with whom you share the street, is the day you are likely to be hit... and hear: "I just didn't see the cyclist."
Being recognized is one thing, and being obnoxious in someone's face (or ear) is another.

As it passed a lady rolled down her window, yelled "GET OFF THE ROAD!", then rolled the window back up....I used to flip people the finger...
N_C, don't underestimate the significance of your victory when you don't let some sour-puss spoil your day. :D There has been many a time when I've let that bird loose... :eek: Keep up the good work.



The bank had no problem with me going through the drive through on my bike as the lobby was closed.
You'd think fast-food chains would aspire to the same level of excellent service, but alas...

Nice to see you manipulate what I said to fit what you're saying. I only do this when the cager passes too close. I also do it to cagers who pass too close even if they are not on a cell phone. Oh I also sound it when a cager is going to pull out in front of me from a stopped position when I have the right of way & they want to turn right. Remeber what I stated about selective vision from cagers. This is prone to happen when cagers are looking to see if it is clear so they can make a turn. Whether on purpose or not makes no differance to me. I use the airzound to get their attention for my own safety. It works.

Or would you rather I not use it & get hit by a cager who through selective vision did not see me or when a cager passes to close when they think they have enough room? Is this the point you're trying to get across? You wish that I be hit by a cager to teach me a lesson? It sure seems that way.

BTW even when a cager does not have selective vision & can & does see me they still try to pull out into my path because they think they can make it in time with out colliding with me. A blast from the airzound tells them otherwise & to think twice about their choice.



Is "cager" your new favorite word or what?

You'd think fast-food chains would aspire to the same level of excellent service, but alas...

There is one fast food chain in my area that has a sticker on the drive up window stating for safety reasons they can not serve walk up customers. The fast food chain is Wendy's. I wonder if it is a Wendy's policy or the local franchise owber policy. I also wonder if they woud serve a person on a bike, technically they are not walking up & are on a legal vehicle of the roadway. Maybe I'll try it some day to see what happens.

Maybe I'll try it some day to see what happens.
I have. They stick to their policy.

I think they want to be able to get a description of the vehicle and a plate number in the event of a robbery after hours.

Maybe you could try the drive through during the day?

;)

Being recognized is one thing, and being obnoxious in someone's face (or ear) is another.

Pray tell, when did anyone mention being beligerently obnoxious?

Pray tell, when did anyone mention being beligerently obnoxious?
Blowing air horns as warnings at every body in sight or within ear shot (even from 2 feet away) because the blowhard has a hair up his rear with every "cager" he sees qualifies in my book. Perhaps in your book that is perfectly normal.

In this case with this motorist had I not sounded the airzound I have no doubt he would have pulled out into my path colliding with me. The airzound got his attention that I was there & if he moves he will hit me. It looked like he did not see or notice I was there, or he did & did not care & was going to proceed anyway.

If he did not care & was going to pull out into my path maybe the airzound helped prevent it because it drew attention to potential witnesses who would not have otherwised noticed he had hit me. Maybe it made him realize I knew what he was trying to do & he was thinking I was not paying attention thus I would not notice or mind if he cut into my path & that I would back down & let him even though I had the ROW. I don't know.

But I-Like-To-Bike what ever the case the airzound used as a tool helped in this particular case. Are you telling me I should not have used it & let him hit me or let the chances of being hit increase?

I have no illusions that the airzound posses some sort of power preventing motorists from pulling into my path. This motorist could have easily ignored it & done so anyway. I know that. Had that happened we would be having a very differant conversation or would not be having one at all.

These questions for all of you. What would you have done? You have the ROW on a left turn protected by the green arrow, you're first in the turn lane, so first through the intersection. There is traffic behind you. The light turns green you proceed through, the traffic behind yo uis being patient & not rushing you, tailgating you or honking or yelling at you. An oncoming vehicle who does not want to wait on red is attempting to turn right. If he does he will end up in your path colliding with you, possible causing injury or death. What do you do? Do you slow down & let him turn, running the risk of being rear ended by traffic behind you, because he is in a hurry & does not want to wait for you or other traffic? Do you sound what ever device you have, a horn, bell, whistle or your own voice telling him to stay still & shake your head no as in do not proceed through? Remember you have the ROW & even if you were not there the on coming right turning driver would still have to wait for the left turning traffic because some of that traffic would want the lane the right turning vehicle is trying to turn into on red. So what would you do?