Professional Cycling - who was last to win TdF clean?

who do you think was the last clean TdF champion?

lance armstrong?

bjarne riis?

marco pantani?

miguel indurain?

greg lemond?

so who was it?

who who?

i really wanna know :eek: ?

ed rader

The world may never know...

Maurice Garin

Maurice Garin

Garin was also the first winner of the Tour de France to be stripped of the victory... the 1904 event ... after it was discovered that he violated the rules. Landis will be the first to be stripped of the "yellow jersey"... which didn't get introduced to the tour until the 40's.

unknown

define clean.

if a rider using EPO won the Tour before EPO made it on the list of banned substances, does that make him clean? substitute your favorite dopping substance or method....

None of the above.

Maybe Armstrong was clean. No need to flame me, I know he may not have been. Drugs killed Pantani, unlikely he was clean. We already have seen Ully implicated and Riis had to have been doing EPO. Lots of people think Indurain was doing EPO. So I'm going to say Lemond.

psssshhhhhtttt.... let me tell you a little secret...... Every GC contender and most likely everyone else in the pro peloton dopes.

A true champion is the one that can stay ahead of the science and not get caught.

Eddy Merckx?:rolleyes: :D

Aaron:)

Yes Armstrong was clean. Santa Clause helped him win, but no doping was involved.

Going back to 1970 :)

lance armstrong? - 1999, numerous EPO positives. Large amount of 'anecdotal evidence'
bjarne riis? - His connections, performance jump in 1996, and most importantly, hematocrit tests suggest EPO or blood doping
marco pantani? - even post-humously, new information gets leaked linking him to doping (Puerto)
miguel indurain? - his connections suggest doping (considering his team doctor for example)
greg lemond? - Hmm. Who knows.
Delgado - tested positive for a steriod masking agent when he won the Tour
Roche - Read "Rough Ride"... doped. Later in his career was given EPO by Dr Ferrari
Hinault - Maybe not?
Fignon - *****ed about how 'its my body i should be allowed to do what the **** I want with it'
Zoetemelk - no clue
Thevenet - Steroids rotted his liver IIRC
Ocana - dont know
Merckx - tested positive multiple times. Did he not indirectly admit to it, at times, years after retiring?

Yes Armstrong was clean. Santa Clause helped him win, but no doping was involved.

Santa Clause doens't exist..... it was the tooth fairy and the easter bunny that helped him in the off season during training.


Anyone ever wonder why MErckx likes Lance soo much? Maybe because he finally perfected the one thing Eddy couldn't do...... Dope without getting caught!

Yes Armstrong was clean. Santa Clause helped him win, but no doping was involved.

Just as if Armstrong and Landis had been French instead of American, they would have been clean too.

Eddy Merckx?:rolleyes: :D

Aaron:)

I believe he returned some positive tests in his day.

Yes Armstrong was clean. Santa Clause helped him win, but no doping was involved.

It is also possible he was dirty, but he may have been clean at least for non-1999 wins. He certainly had the connections, but he never returned an official positive, so I land somewhere in the middle on this.

If he was French, I doubt the French lab and the L'Equipe would have gone on a witch hunt for him, and perhaps Landis's B sample would have been mistakenly frozen. Ooops.

If you want to have faith in something belive in God...not pro cyclists. Probably a safer bet.

Just as if Armstrong and Landis had been French instead of American, they would have been clean too.

Your evidence?

And, what on earth do you mean by lumping Armstrong and Landis in together here? Armstrong's still 7 times Tour champion, with no doping convictions whatever, when I last looked. Are you classifying him and FL together? You mean you have some evidence on LA & doping that the Tour organisers haven't seen :eek: ?

And when I last looked, the last Tour winner against whom there has never been so much as a whispering campaign let alone anything more substantial, was actually Greg Lemond. An American, when I last checked.

Wish the gosh darned conspiracy theorists would take themselves off to some Priory of Sion group or somewhere.

lr

And when I last looked, the last Tour winner against whom there has never been so much as a whispering campaign let alone anything more substantial, was actually Greg Lemond. An American, when I last checked.

lr

I've always heard rumblings about Lemon using. I don't know if it's true, but he's not above suspicion.

Lance was tested a ridiculous amount of times. What kind of masking agent can do that?
He rode clean, he rode hard and he rode well. He is a true leader. Just look how Discovery preformed
this year. Phonak didn't control the race. T-mobile didn't control the race. Caisse D'apagne didn't control the race.
Lance knew how to lead his team to control a race.
He is clean and a someone to look up to for my son.

For the record, I am a huge fan of the Spanish climbers.

Based on EUROs ever so wise insights, there would NEVER have been a TdF winner that was clean. They ALL cheat.

Postal was using "recovery agents" that were still in clinical trials and not approved for use on humans, It wasnt banned, becuase it was unknown to exist to the UCI or WADA. It may not be "doping" per se, but injecting synthetic blood base made from cows is hardly "riding clean"

Your evidence?lr

The massive witch-hunt aginst Armstrong leads me to believe that the French have it in for American winners of 'their' race. Certainly they hate Armstrong, at least the organizers of the race do. Makes me wonder (just a little) if someone spiked the sample of Landis or Armstrong. Just a glimmer of doubt there for me.



And, what on earth do you mean by lumping Armstrong and Landis in together here? Armstrong's still 7 times Tour champion, with no doping convictions whatever, when I last looked. Are you classifying him and FL together? You mean you have some evidence on LA & doping that the Tour organisers haven't seen :eek: ?
lr

I mean that many people consider Armstrong dirty based on the affair that went down last year involving his 1999 test B sample test. Personally I am skeptical about the validity of those results based on my witch-hunt idea, but for many people that was enough to demonstrate that he had cheated. That is what others mean by 'he got off on a technicality.' Because that test couldn't be verified there was no sanction against him. But based on that, ask Dick Pound if he thinks LA was clean.

I realize that this is apples and oranges, because Landis has been proven to be guilty, according to all the correct procedures. Whereas the Armstrong test didn't follow any accepted protocol. But for skeptics like Euro and many others, that 1999 B test was enough.

If you define "clean" as "did not test positive to any banned substances during the competition", all of them were clean except Landis, unless it is later proven that he was clean.

If you define "clean" otherwise, you need to specify how you define it, and be ready for a lot of speculation.

the last rider to win tour de france clean was the one and only Lance Armstrong 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. LIVESTRONG...

Greg Lemond...according to Greg Lemond.

Floyd Landis

Me :eek:

Based on EUROs ever so wise insights, there would NEVER have been a TdF winner that was clean. They ALL cheat.
They were drinking alcohol through the early tours, then they started taking speed in the 30's. Post Simpson they got a bit more clever.

If there ever has been a clean winner, it would have been in the first 10 or 20 years of the event.

Lemond. EPO took over the peloton in the early 90s with Big Mig and chiapucci.

They were drinking alcohol through the early tours, then they started taking speed in the 30's. Post Simpson they got a bit more clever.

If there ever has been a clean winner, it would have been in the first 10 or 20 years of the event.

I really doubt that Bartali's rivals' use of alcohol or speed gave them much of an advantage over him.