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jwc
If she had been wearing a helmet, the pedal could have caught the edge of the helmet and snapped her neck.
Maybe...coulda...what if...
The real story is someone riding too fast in unfamiliar territory.
Yes I do wear a helmet, more than I don't, but as I've learned, a helmet doesn't guarantee anything.
Maybe...coulda...what if...
The real story is someone riding too fast in unfamiliar territory.
Yes I do wear a helmet, more than I don't, but as I've learned, a helmet doesn't guarantee anything.
Bekologist
every time i have crashed or fallen (on the bike or off) and received a head injury when i wasn't wearing a helmet,
the consequences were much more severe than the times i have crashed or otherwise while wearing one.
this includes several decades of riding, many, many, countless crashes, several concussions, and one head-smashed-the-windshield collision. (broke my hip, but kept my faculties and my grey matter intact. i think)
I have always been happier after the crash if i was wearing a helmet at the time. compared to waking up in 1984 in a hospital 3 days after laying a bike out on wet gravel at night on a turn sans helmet, well, let me just say, crashing with a helmet is a GOOD thing in comparision.
and breaking a windshield is not as painful with a helmet on. or at least the time I did. I know helmets are not useful in ALL crashes, but there are no compelling reasons not to wear one.
the consequences were much more severe than the times i have crashed or otherwise while wearing one.
this includes several decades of riding, many, many, countless crashes, several concussions, and one head-smashed-the-windshield collision. (broke my hip, but kept my faculties and my grey matter intact. i think)
I have always been happier after the crash if i was wearing a helmet at the time. compared to waking up in 1984 in a hospital 3 days after laying a bike out on wet gravel at night on a turn sans helmet, well, let me just say, crashing with a helmet is a GOOD thing in comparision.
and breaking a windshield is not as painful with a helmet on. or at least the time I did. I know helmets are not useful in ALL crashes, but there are no compelling reasons not to wear one.
cat4ever
We talked shared war stories.
Nam?
Nam?
jwc
Excerpt from an article about developing new helmet requirements in sports:
As an example, he pointed out that basketball has one of the highest rates of head injuries of any sport but that his subcommittee has not considered standards for a basketball helmet because no one has lobbied for it.
"If the people in the sport are not interested, then there is no point to make headgear," he said.
So new helmets are typically created through a movement by the people in a particular sport — some of whom have not just an emotional interest, but a financial one as well.
http://www.reflector.com/search/content/features/stories/2006/08/17/helmets.html
That is a very telling statement in the article.
As an example, he pointed out that basketball has one of the highest rates of head injuries of any sport but that his subcommittee has not considered standards for a basketball helmet because no one has lobbied for it.
"If the people in the sport are not interested, then there is no point to make headgear," he said.
So new helmets are typically created through a movement by the people in a particular sport — some of whom have not just an emotional interest, but a financial one as well.
http://www.reflector.com/search/content/features/stories/2006/08/17/helmets.html
That is a very telling statement in the article.
chipcom
Nam?
Star Wars I figure. :rolleyes:
Star Wars I figure. :rolleyes:
I-Like-To-Bike
Star Wars I figure. :rolleyes:
My bet is on Star Trek or maybe Dungeons and Dragons.
My bet is on Star Trek or maybe Dungeons and Dragons.
cat4ever
I should have said cycling war stories. I thought everyone here was smart enough to know how I was using the term, :rolleyes:
I was being serious. No need for the personal attack.
I was being serious. No need for the personal attack.
Retem
this is a pointless and never ending arguement but my two cents is that I am more likely to get hit by a car where I ride and in that case the halmet wouldn't do much but keep my head in one peice while the rest of my body is destroyed by some soccer mom in a hummer
Stacey
My bet is on Star Trek or maybe Dungeons and Dragons. Star Trek 2.0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBXal1GAA4A) :lol:
EnigManiac
every time i have crashed or fallen (on the bike or off) and received a head injury when i wasn't wearing a helmet,
the consequences were much more severe than the times i have crashed or otherwise while wearing one.
this includes several decades of riding, many, many, countless crashes, several concussions, and one head-smashed-the-windshield collision. (broke my hip, but kept my faculties and my grey matter intact. i think)
I have always been happier after the crash if i was wearing a helmet at the time. compared to waking up in 1984 in a hospital 3 days after laying a bike out on wet gravel at night on a turn sans helmet, well, let me just say, crashing with a helmet is a GOOD thing in comparision.
and breaking a windshield is not as painful with a helmet on. or at least the time I did. I know helmets are not useful in ALL crashes, but there are no compelling reasons not to wear one.
Not to sound confrontational---that isn't my intention---but it looks as if a helmet is not the issue, but your manner of riding. If anyone has as many crashes and falls as you cite above, they need to radically change how they ride or give it up. I'm truly alarmed you have had so many serious accidents.
And N_C, when will you stop trying to convert everyone to your style of riding? You continually and arrogantly harp on and on about wearing a helmet, recounting tales like this one that cause me to suspect it may not even be true, that you didn't even speak with this alleged couple who so conveniently feed your pro-helmet agenda, that they were invented simply so you could start yet another tedious thread with the unrealistic hopes that all the non helmet wearer would suddenly see the light and be saved.
You've stated your position. We all understand. Now drop it.
Respect others decisions to not wear a helmet, if they so choose. You don't have to agree with their decision, all I ask is that you respect it and stop harassing them. There are those like yourself and Bekologist who have many accidents and clearly need a helmet and there are those, like myself, who simply don't ride in a manner that makes us vulnerable to accidents. You really need to stop being concerned with everyone else's safety and think about your own. Ask yourself 'why do I have so many accidents and what can I do to prevent them' instead of worrying about us.
You're beginning to sound like a sidewalk evangelist. Jeezuz.
the consequences were much more severe than the times i have crashed or otherwise while wearing one.
this includes several decades of riding, many, many, countless crashes, several concussions, and one head-smashed-the-windshield collision. (broke my hip, but kept my faculties and my grey matter intact. i think)
I have always been happier after the crash if i was wearing a helmet at the time. compared to waking up in 1984 in a hospital 3 days after laying a bike out on wet gravel at night on a turn sans helmet, well, let me just say, crashing with a helmet is a GOOD thing in comparision.
and breaking a windshield is not as painful with a helmet on. or at least the time I did. I know helmets are not useful in ALL crashes, but there are no compelling reasons not to wear one.
Not to sound confrontational---that isn't my intention---but it looks as if a helmet is not the issue, but your manner of riding. If anyone has as many crashes and falls as you cite above, they need to radically change how they ride or give it up. I'm truly alarmed you have had so many serious accidents.
And N_C, when will you stop trying to convert everyone to your style of riding? You continually and arrogantly harp on and on about wearing a helmet, recounting tales like this one that cause me to suspect it may not even be true, that you didn't even speak with this alleged couple who so conveniently feed your pro-helmet agenda, that they were invented simply so you could start yet another tedious thread with the unrealistic hopes that all the non helmet wearer would suddenly see the light and be saved.
You've stated your position. We all understand. Now drop it.
Respect others decisions to not wear a helmet, if they so choose. You don't have to agree with their decision, all I ask is that you respect it and stop harassing them. There are those like yourself and Bekologist who have many accidents and clearly need a helmet and there are those, like myself, who simply don't ride in a manner that makes us vulnerable to accidents. You really need to stop being concerned with everyone else's safety and think about your own. Ask yourself 'why do I have so many accidents and what can I do to prevent them' instead of worrying about us.
You're beginning to sound like a sidewalk evangelist. Jeezuz.
sentinel4675
maniac,
If these posts upset you so, why don't you just ignore them? Your last tirade is a joke and makes you look like someone in need of medication. You never know, maybe one of these articles changes someone's opinion about wearing a helmet.
If these posts upset you so, why don't you just ignore them? Your last tirade is a joke and makes you look like someone in need of medication. You never know, maybe one of these articles changes someone's opinion about wearing a helmet.
MarkS
You don't have to agree with their decision, all I ask is that you respect it and stop harassing them.Why does a simple posting disturb you so much? You didn't have to read it. Maybe like the wino hearing the sidewalk evangelist, you suspect you're doing something wrong? N_C isn't doing the harassing: Accusing someone of making up a story to support their position -- now that's harassment.
Bekologist
hey, enigmaniac,
a couple of cogent points:
I have ridden for over 35 years. bikes go down. stems snap, cars have hit me from behind, trees jump out of the woods and snag mountain bikes. (just kidding, i saw that in a movie once) but if you mountain bike, and you push it, you crash. what is wrong with crashing a bike?
I crashed two weeks ago, riding a bike in a park at night, when a deep erosion rut grabbed my wheel and i went DOWN on the commute home from work. my helmet was dusty when i got home, it hit the dirt. i didn't have a headache OR concussion.
have you ever ridden on ice? have you spent winters of your life commuting on roads covered in white ice for five months a year? I have.
I ride 365. I crash. I still have my faculties, thanks to helmets.
and i ride just fine, thanks for the criticism.
I've still got MY balls, thanks.
a couple of cogent points:
I have ridden for over 35 years. bikes go down. stems snap, cars have hit me from behind, trees jump out of the woods and snag mountain bikes. (just kidding, i saw that in a movie once) but if you mountain bike, and you push it, you crash. what is wrong with crashing a bike?
I crashed two weeks ago, riding a bike in a park at night, when a deep erosion rut grabbed my wheel and i went DOWN on the commute home from work. my helmet was dusty when i got home, it hit the dirt. i didn't have a headache OR concussion.
have you ever ridden on ice? have you spent winters of your life commuting on roads covered in white ice for five months a year? I have.
I ride 365. I crash. I still have my faculties, thanks to helmets.
and i ride just fine, thanks for the criticism.
I've still got MY balls, thanks.
closetbiker
Excerpt from an article about developing new helmet requirements in sports:
As an example, he pointed out that basketball has one of the highest rates of head injuries of any sport but that his subcommittee has not considered standards for a basketball helmet because no one has lobbied for it.
"If the people in the sport are not interested, then there is no point to make headgear," he said.
So new helmets are typically created through a movement by the people in a particular sport — some of whom have not just an emotional interest, but a financial one as well.
http://www.reflector.com/search/content/features/stories/2006/08/17/helmets.html
That is a very telling statement in the article.
Also from the article,
America's helmet movement began 20 years ago when states and local governments started adopting bicycle-helmet laws targeting teenage riders. It was prompted by a national campaign led by parents and doctors and fueled by a New England Journal of Medicine study that said 85 percent of bicycle head injuries could be prevented by wearing a helmet.
The study watched a bunch of children, some with helmets (and money, and medical coverage and parents supervising) and some without helmets (and less money, and no medical coverage and no parental supervision) falling from their bikes and showing up at emergency rooms.
Somehow, people have got it into their heads that adults, riding at more than three times the speed and falling twice as far (and colliding with motor vehicles - never used as an exampe in the survey) will get the same (or better) results than the results of this one survey.
also from the article,
Although bicycle helmet use has varied by state, surveys show the helmets are effective when worn.
I'd like to see the sources for that. I've read over and again, that when road casualties are examined, there is no evidence that helmets reduce the overall injury burden at the population level (Traffic Injury Prevention, June 2005). In fact, there are reports that head injuries have gone up with increased helmet use and head injuries are lower in areas with lower helmet use.
As an example, he pointed out that basketball has one of the highest rates of head injuries of any sport but that his subcommittee has not considered standards for a basketball helmet because no one has lobbied for it.
"If the people in the sport are not interested, then there is no point to make headgear," he said.
So new helmets are typically created through a movement by the people in a particular sport — some of whom have not just an emotional interest, but a financial one as well.
http://www.reflector.com/search/content/features/stories/2006/08/17/helmets.html
That is a very telling statement in the article.
Also from the article,
America's helmet movement began 20 years ago when states and local governments started adopting bicycle-helmet laws targeting teenage riders. It was prompted by a national campaign led by parents and doctors and fueled by a New England Journal of Medicine study that said 85 percent of bicycle head injuries could be prevented by wearing a helmet.
The study watched a bunch of children, some with helmets (and money, and medical coverage and parents supervising) and some without helmets (and less money, and no medical coverage and no parental supervision) falling from their bikes and showing up at emergency rooms.
Somehow, people have got it into their heads that adults, riding at more than three times the speed and falling twice as far (and colliding with motor vehicles - never used as an exampe in the survey) will get the same (or better) results than the results of this one survey.
also from the article,
Although bicycle helmet use has varied by state, surveys show the helmets are effective when worn.
I'd like to see the sources for that. I've read over and again, that when road casualties are examined, there is no evidence that helmets reduce the overall injury burden at the population level (Traffic Injury Prevention, June 2005). In fact, there are reports that head injuries have gone up with increased helmet use and head injuries are lower in areas with lower helmet use.
closetbiker
Not to sound confrontational---that isn't my intention---but it looks as if a helmet is not the issue, but your manner of riding. If anyone has as many crashes and falls as you cite above, they need to radically change how they ride or give it up. I'm truly alarmed you have had so many serious accidents.
That's what I'd say too, and it isn't the first time I've read of a posters frequent falls due to poor behaviour and inexperience.
I understand the posters feeling on wearing a helmet, just don't understand that more effective ways of avoiding problems are so easily missed (unless you take in the way a poster seems to understand things in general).
That's what I'd say too, and it isn't the first time I've read of a posters frequent falls due to poor behaviour and inexperience.
I understand the posters feeling on wearing a helmet, just don't understand that more effective ways of avoiding problems are so easily missed (unless you take in the way a poster seems to understand things in general).
I-Like-To-Bike
I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
I'm sure that is true.
I don't understand how the little OP story about this couple's little accident was worth posting at all since it's significance to anyone else's bicycling is zero, and no conclusion can be drawn that means a dang thing.
I'm sure that is true.
I don't understand how the little OP story about this couple's little accident was worth posting at all since it's significance to anyone else's bicycling is zero, and no conclusion can be drawn that means a dang thing.
Bekologist
like i said, closetbiker, I've still got MY balls. not to sound confrontational.....but most experienced cyclists say 'it's not IF you crash, it's WHEN you crash...'
chipcom
like i said, closetbiker, I've still got MY balls. not to sound confrontational.....
Nice to see you are wearing your helmet as a cup, Bek. :p
Nice to see you are wearing your helmet as a cup, Bek. :p
Bekologist
...the helmets not large enough for that, chipcom.....
Bekologist
i can make it to Iowa from seattle in about 25 days, if you guys will wait up for me....i want to ride with i-like-to-bike as well, i think his bikes are TRICK machines...... go,hawks!
EnigManiac
maniac,
If these posts upset you so, why don't you just ignore them? Your last tirade is a joke and makes you look like someone in need of medication. You never know, maybe one of these articles changes someone's opinion about wearing a helmet.
Perhaps I wasn't as succesful as I'd like to have been in conveying my tone. Or, perhaps you misread it. I'm neither upset nor on a tirade. It's simply that N_C doesn't allow some subjects to rest, constantly starting new threads promoting helmet use, sometimes two or three per day. And it's impossible to discern from the title of the thread what he is going to spout off about. I ignore most posts of his on this subject, but when he starts a new post about the same thing his previous live post is about, it becomes a bit much, don't you think?
Bekologist:
hey, enigmaniac,
a couple of cogent points:
I have ridden for over 35 years. bikes go down. stems snap, cars have hit me from behind, trees jump out of the woods and snag mountain bikes. (just kidding, i saw that in a movie once) but if you mountain bike, and you push it, you crash. what is wrong with crashing a bike?
I crashed two weeks ago, riding a bike in a park at night, when a deep erosion rut grabbed my wheel and i went DOWN on the commute home from work. my helmet was dusty when i got home, it hit the dirt. i didn't have a headache OR concussion.
have you ever ridden on ice? have you spent winters of your life commuting on roads covered in white ice for five months a year? I have.
I ride 365. I crash. I still have my faculties, thanks to helmets.
and i ride just fine, thanks for the criticism.
I've still got MY balls, thanks.
I, too, have been riding for 35+ years and usually manage 10-15km per day almost every day of the year---not excessive by any means, but it is in dense urban environments that abound with dangers---and I haven't had any sort of accident in 28 years. I have had equipment failures during that time and close-calls, but I always manage to avoid falling or being hit. It just astounds me someone would either willingly or unwillingly put themselves in dangerous situations when they are easily avoidable. A mountain biker would certainly wear a helmet, due to the intrinisc dangers he faces and if I were a mountain-biker, a dirt-biker or a racer, I would wear one for the same reasons. But a commuter with experience, awareness and alertness, never mind common sense can and should avoid hazards.
And as I mentioned, I wasn't trying to be confrontational, so the swipe at me wasn't necessary. I was simply alarmed you have had so many serious accidents. I have never heard of anyone, including my bicycling-only friends, endure so many. Glad you still have your balls---at least for today. :)
N_C:
Where in this thread did I state anything about trying to get people to wear a helmet? All I did was tell a true story about what I discussed with a couple other cyclists. I do not make stories up. There are no propaganda agendas I am pursueing here, nothing sinister happening. The couple & I were just talking about cycling & comparing stories. If you have never tried this, try it, it's fun.
If someone does not want to wear a helmet fine, if they do, fine. Please stop assuming that everytime I & others here who are in favor of wearing a helmet, mentions the words bike helmet we are promoting an agenda surrounding it. I have stated I will stop doing so & I have, here in the forums. This thread in no way promotes that agenda. I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
Nice try, N_C. You're intention was clear and evident and no surprise to those of us who have come to know both your threads and agendas. Really, feigning innocence by 'just telling a story' is a vain attempt to defend the message you were, once again, trying to hammer at folks. What would be the point of submitting a new thread such as this if not to further your own advocacy? It's not assumption: it's obvious what you were doing and why. As I mentioned above, I ignore most of your threads and posts, but when you go over-board, someone has to remind you to respect others opinions and positions and keep the subject matter in one thread. I mean, you don't see non-helmet wearers forever submitting posts that try to convince YOU to stop wearing one.
Peace.
If these posts upset you so, why don't you just ignore them? Your last tirade is a joke and makes you look like someone in need of medication. You never know, maybe one of these articles changes someone's opinion about wearing a helmet.
Perhaps I wasn't as succesful as I'd like to have been in conveying my tone. Or, perhaps you misread it. I'm neither upset nor on a tirade. It's simply that N_C doesn't allow some subjects to rest, constantly starting new threads promoting helmet use, sometimes two or three per day. And it's impossible to discern from the title of the thread what he is going to spout off about. I ignore most posts of his on this subject, but when he starts a new post about the same thing his previous live post is about, it becomes a bit much, don't you think?
Bekologist:
hey, enigmaniac,
a couple of cogent points:
I have ridden for over 35 years. bikes go down. stems snap, cars have hit me from behind, trees jump out of the woods and snag mountain bikes. (just kidding, i saw that in a movie once) but if you mountain bike, and you push it, you crash. what is wrong with crashing a bike?
I crashed two weeks ago, riding a bike in a park at night, when a deep erosion rut grabbed my wheel and i went DOWN on the commute home from work. my helmet was dusty when i got home, it hit the dirt. i didn't have a headache OR concussion.
have you ever ridden on ice? have you spent winters of your life commuting on roads covered in white ice for five months a year? I have.
I ride 365. I crash. I still have my faculties, thanks to helmets.
and i ride just fine, thanks for the criticism.
I've still got MY balls, thanks.
I, too, have been riding for 35+ years and usually manage 10-15km per day almost every day of the year---not excessive by any means, but it is in dense urban environments that abound with dangers---and I haven't had any sort of accident in 28 years. I have had equipment failures during that time and close-calls, but I always manage to avoid falling or being hit. It just astounds me someone would either willingly or unwillingly put themselves in dangerous situations when they are easily avoidable. A mountain biker would certainly wear a helmet, due to the intrinisc dangers he faces and if I were a mountain-biker, a dirt-biker or a racer, I would wear one for the same reasons. But a commuter with experience, awareness and alertness, never mind common sense can and should avoid hazards.
And as I mentioned, I wasn't trying to be confrontational, so the swipe at me wasn't necessary. I was simply alarmed you have had so many serious accidents. I have never heard of anyone, including my bicycling-only friends, endure so many. Glad you still have your balls---at least for today. :)
N_C:
Where in this thread did I state anything about trying to get people to wear a helmet? All I did was tell a true story about what I discussed with a couple other cyclists. I do not make stories up. There are no propaganda agendas I am pursueing here, nothing sinister happening. The couple & I were just talking about cycling & comparing stories. If you have never tried this, try it, it's fun.
If someone does not want to wear a helmet fine, if they do, fine. Please stop assuming that everytime I & others here who are in favor of wearing a helmet, mentions the words bike helmet we are promoting an agenda surrounding it. I have stated I will stop doing so & I have, here in the forums. This thread in no way promotes that agenda. I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
Nice try, N_C. You're intention was clear and evident and no surprise to those of us who have come to know both your threads and agendas. Really, feigning innocence by 'just telling a story' is a vain attempt to defend the message you were, once again, trying to hammer at folks. What would be the point of submitting a new thread such as this if not to further your own advocacy? It's not assumption: it's obvious what you were doing and why. As I mentioned above, I ignore most of your threads and posts, but when you go over-board, someone has to remind you to respect others opinions and positions and keep the subject matter in one thread. I mean, you don't see non-helmet wearers forever submitting posts that try to convince YOU to stop wearing one.
Peace.
Bekologist
...remember, it's not IF you crash, its WHEN you crash....
and you know that floyd guy? Broken hip from a crash. in a crash serious enough to break THE STRONGEST BONE IN YOUR BODY, having a helmet on may be a mitigating factor in more serious crainial injuries .
most elite bicyclists have endured multiple crashes in their days......are they inexperienced?
if you ride in a manner to prevent crashing, good for you. so do I. I also push the envelope, and have since i was a kid, in all my pursuits. I used to luge and lived in the Olympic Training center in Lake Placid, as a junior team member..... luge. ever tried it? want to try it without a helmet? I'm also a rock climbing, ski mountaineering, mountain rescue cojones machine...... and these activities are all safer with a helmet on.
i think the OP has all the right to post anecdotes about helmet usage and the associated risks of not doing so.... just like wacky armchair bicyclists, or pro facilities VC, all have their ability to post individual commentary in this forum....
and you know that floyd guy? Broken hip from a crash. in a crash serious enough to break THE STRONGEST BONE IN YOUR BODY, having a helmet on may be a mitigating factor in more serious crainial injuries .
most elite bicyclists have endured multiple crashes in their days......are they inexperienced?
if you ride in a manner to prevent crashing, good for you. so do I. I also push the envelope, and have since i was a kid, in all my pursuits. I used to luge and lived in the Olympic Training center in Lake Placid, as a junior team member..... luge. ever tried it? want to try it without a helmet? I'm also a rock climbing, ski mountaineering, mountain rescue cojones machine...... and these activities are all safer with a helmet on.
i think the OP has all the right to post anecdotes about helmet usage and the associated risks of not doing so.... just like wacky armchair bicyclists, or pro facilities VC, all have their ability to post individual commentary in this forum....
lima_bean
I found the OP interesting.
I-Like-To-Bike
i think his bikes are TRICK machines...... go,hawks!
Hawks, Schmawks. I hear their squawking every day at work.
Roar Lions, Roar!
Hawks, Schmawks. I hear their squawking every day at work.
Roar Lions, Roar!
chipcom
You know with every word you say makes me want to ride bike with you all that much more. Let's set up a time & place to do this. You want to come here to Sioux City or would you rather I make a trip to Burlington?
I'd pay cash money to watch this! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
I'd pay cash money to watch this! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Stacey
Maybe, if N_C had a REAL bike ;)
Bekologist
.. i think thats why chip thinks i was wearing my helmet as a cup....? ;)
sentinel4675
maniac,
Your post came across as complaining and whining. If that's now how it was intended, sorry, but is how it reads to me. I still come back to the same point, if you don't like what he write DON'T READ IT!
Your post came across as complaining and whining. If that's now how it was intended, sorry, but is how it reads to me. I still come back to the same point, if you don't like what he write DON'T READ IT!
I-Like-To-Bike
I'd pay cash money to watch this! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Better save it for Sept 23 to buy some beer to weep into. As far as that other thing. Not likely. I'd leave town for the duration and leave a warning to others to keep a close eye on their children's whereabouts. Don't want any bicycling crusader dispensing his version of proper discipline on 'em.
Better save it for Sept 23 to buy some beer to weep into. As far as that other thing. Not likely. I'd leave town for the duration and leave a warning to others to keep a close eye on their children's whereabouts. Don't want any bicycling crusader dispensing his version of proper discipline on 'em.
chipcom
Better save it for Sept 23 to buy some beer to weep into. As far as that other thing. Not likely. I'd leave town for the duration and leave a warning to others to keep a close eye on their children's whereabouts. Don't want any bicycling crusader dispensing his version of proper discipline on 'em.
I have this visual of you two riding side-by-side on a sunny fall day with you rapping him upside the head repeatedly, which of course is futile since he's wearing his Special Ed helmet. YAY!
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
As for the 23rd, even helmets won't protect your Pitiful Lions from lots of Buckeye bruisin. :p
I have this visual of you two riding side-by-side on a sunny fall day with you rapping him upside the head repeatedly, which of course is futile since he's wearing his Special Ed helmet. YAY!
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
As for the 23rd, even helmets won't protect your Pitiful Lions from lots of Buckeye bruisin. :p
closetbiker
like i said, closetbiker, I've still got MY balls....'
Nice to see you are wearing your helmet as a cup, Bek.
...the helmets not large enough for that, chipcom.....
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8429
...the males had evolved larger testes but had relatively small brains... Researchers suggest the correlation exists because both organs require a lot of energy to grow and maintain, leading individual species to find the optimum balance.
Nice to see you are wearing your helmet as a cup, Bek.
...the helmets not large enough for that, chipcom.....
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8429
...the males had evolved larger testes but had relatively small brains... Researchers suggest the correlation exists because both organs require a lot of energy to grow and maintain, leading individual species to find the optimum balance.
Stacey
I have this visual of you two riding side-by-side on a sunny fall day with you rapping him upside the head repeatedly, which of course is futile since he's wearing his Special Ed helmet. YAY!
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
As for the 23rd, even helmets won't protect your Pitiful Lions from lots of Buckeye bruisin. :p
C'mon Chipcom, play nice.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
As for the 23rd, even helmets won't protect your Pitiful Lions from lots of Buckeye bruisin. :p
C'mon Chipcom, play nice.
I-Like-To-Bike
As for the 23rd, even helmets won't protect your Pitiful Lions from lots of Buckeye bruisin. :p
Speaking of helmets, whatz wit dose goofball Buckeye Helmets with all the Look-at-Me nutty stickers plastered all over 'em?
Speaking of helmets, whatz wit dose goofball Buckeye Helmets with all the Look-at-Me nutty stickers plastered all over 'em?
I-Like-To-Bike
Isn't there a college football forum somewhere you 2 can debate this on? ;)
You wanna talk helmets, we're talkin' helmets. Helmets are helmets. You like to make noise, we're makin' noise.
You wanna talk helmets, we're talkin' helmets. Helmets are helmets. You like to make noise, we're makin' noise.
Bekologist
i got 32 on my ACTs, 1400 on my SATs, AND i've got big cojones......must of been given a gift of lots of both!
Brian
this is a pointless and never ending arguement but my two cents is that I am more likely to get hit by a car where I ride and in that case the halmet wouldn't do much but keep my head in one peice while the rest of my body is destroyed by some soccer mom in a hummer
Golden post of the day. Even if it was yesterday.
Golden post of the day. Even if it was yesterday.
closetbiker
...and a caveman too!
Bekologist
well, i've been HIT by cars and HIT cars both, and believe the helmet has helped during some of these collisions, expatriate.
hows the repatriation treating you, anyways?
hows the repatriation treating you, anyways?
Brian
well, i've been HIT by cars and HIT cars both, and believe the helmet has helped during some of these collisions, expatriate.
hows the repatriation treating you, anyways?
Oh, you know. We have a house, the kids, 2 dogs, a garden. I mow the lawn, fix the house, and BBQ a lot. It's good to be back. Unless a large chunk of money falls into my lap, I won't have my workshop built until next year. :( But I've been working on some pretty green ideas.
Thanks for asking.
hows the repatriation treating you, anyways?
Oh, you know. We have a house, the kids, 2 dogs, a garden. I mow the lawn, fix the house, and BBQ a lot. It's good to be back. Unless a large chunk of money falls into my lap, I won't have my workshop built until next year. :( But I've been working on some pretty green ideas.
Thanks for asking.
Bekologist
glad to hear the transition is going smoothly...i figured out how to tour with skis on the bike, maybe I'll pick up a copy of "The Chuting Gallery" (ask your local powderhounds about that one) and ride on over this winter for some rightous tele turns.....
Brian
Sundance is only a few miles away...
EnigManiac
...remember, it's not IF you crash, its WHEN you crash....
and you know that floyd guy? Broken hip from a crash. in a crash serious enough to break THE STRONGEST BONE IN YOUR BODY, having a helmet on may be a mitigating factor in more serious crainial injuries .
most elite bicyclists have endured multiple crashes in their days......are they inexperienced?
if you ride in a manner to prevent crashing, good for you. so do I. I also push the envelope, and have since i was a kid, in all my pursuits. I used to luge and lived in the Olympic Training center in Lake Placid, as a junior team member..... luge. ever tried it? want to try it without a helmet? I'm also a rock climbing, ski mountaineering, mountain rescue cojones machine...... and these activities are all safer with a helmet on.
i think the OP has all the right to post anecdotes about helmet usage and the associated risks of not doing so.... just like wacky armchair bicyclists, or pro facilities VC, all have their ability to post individual commentary in this forum....
You help underscore and emphasize what I stated earlier: that certain types of riding would demand wearing a helmet; i.e. mountain-biking, dirt-biking and road-racing. However, those are and were not the activities the alleged couple were doing nor what N_C was referring to. They were road-riding and road-riding or commuting is not as inherently dangerous as the riskier activities you and I both mentioned.
I can't agree that it's WHEN you crash, not IF you crash. That seems to be defeatist and fatalist to me. I trust my instincts and abilities to avoid being in accidents and am confident I won't be in a serious situation becuase of the precautions I take. If you 'push the envelope,' as you say, then you are an exception to most cyclists and commuters, like myself, and your activities would certainly constitute wearing a helmet. It still seems youve experienced an unusually excessive number of accidents, but those are your choices and your decisions and I respect your right to make them, as confounding as they may be to me.
I don't deny N_C's right to state his opinion or express his views. My objection is when there are active threads on the subject and he starts another and then another and then another all about the same thing. Keep it to one thread was all I suggested so that once I have read his views I don't have to encounter them again on every other thread he starts.
N_C:
What ever you say bubba.
I respect others opinions on the matter. Posting a thread about helmets, even one that DOES NOT promote the so-called agenda as you put it, like this one, is not a sign of disrespect. Not sure why you think it is.
If it is one thing you should have figured out about me is I speak my mind how & when I want. I am also very direct. If I don't respect, like or agree with something I come out & say it, directly.
It's curious you proclaim how you respect others by prefacing those comments by referring to me as 'bubba,' whatever childish, irrelevant and silly conotation you may apply to that. Incidentally, I've only ever addressed you by your nick, but I have read seen on a number of occasions you resort to juvenile name-calling and immature threats when you are challenged. It really defeats any credibility you might have achieved.
In fact, I've yet to see you respect those who oppose your remarks---and there have been countless recently---nor speak directly. I have seen you, on the other hand, remain immovable, stubborn and narrow-minded while espousing your rhetoric in an arrogant and beligerent manner. You confuse being direct with being bull-headed, I'm afraid.
But defering to the topic: 'Met a couple of cyclists who learned the hard way;' there is no other conclusion to such a title other than you inventing yet another forum to reinforce your position that those who do not wear helmets have not learned yet and that devalues their decision, thereby disrespecting them. You're just unwilling to admit that was your intention.
Please, wear your helmet, enjoy your rides and promote whatever you feel is important, but if you already have an active thread about helmets, as you do---'ratio of male to female cyclists who do not wear a helmet'---don't you think it's inappopriate to start another one about the same thing? The conversation you claim you had could very well have been added there. That's all I'm saying.
Nuff said. I'm off for a late-night ride. :)
and you know that floyd guy? Broken hip from a crash. in a crash serious enough to break THE STRONGEST BONE IN YOUR BODY, having a helmet on may be a mitigating factor in more serious crainial injuries .
most elite bicyclists have endured multiple crashes in their days......are they inexperienced?
if you ride in a manner to prevent crashing, good for you. so do I. I also push the envelope, and have since i was a kid, in all my pursuits. I used to luge and lived in the Olympic Training center in Lake Placid, as a junior team member..... luge. ever tried it? want to try it without a helmet? I'm also a rock climbing, ski mountaineering, mountain rescue cojones machine...... and these activities are all safer with a helmet on.
i think the OP has all the right to post anecdotes about helmet usage and the associated risks of not doing so.... just like wacky armchair bicyclists, or pro facilities VC, all have their ability to post individual commentary in this forum....
You help underscore and emphasize what I stated earlier: that certain types of riding would demand wearing a helmet; i.e. mountain-biking, dirt-biking and road-racing. However, those are and were not the activities the alleged couple were doing nor what N_C was referring to. They were road-riding and road-riding or commuting is not as inherently dangerous as the riskier activities you and I both mentioned.
I can't agree that it's WHEN you crash, not IF you crash. That seems to be defeatist and fatalist to me. I trust my instincts and abilities to avoid being in accidents and am confident I won't be in a serious situation becuase of the precautions I take. If you 'push the envelope,' as you say, then you are an exception to most cyclists and commuters, like myself, and your activities would certainly constitute wearing a helmet. It still seems youve experienced an unusually excessive number of accidents, but those are your choices and your decisions and I respect your right to make them, as confounding as they may be to me.
I don't deny N_C's right to state his opinion or express his views. My objection is when there are active threads on the subject and he starts another and then another and then another all about the same thing. Keep it to one thread was all I suggested so that once I have read his views I don't have to encounter them again on every other thread he starts.
N_C:
What ever you say bubba.
I respect others opinions on the matter. Posting a thread about helmets, even one that DOES NOT promote the so-called agenda as you put it, like this one, is not a sign of disrespect. Not sure why you think it is.
If it is one thing you should have figured out about me is I speak my mind how & when I want. I am also very direct. If I don't respect, like or agree with something I come out & say it, directly.
It's curious you proclaim how you respect others by prefacing those comments by referring to me as 'bubba,' whatever childish, irrelevant and silly conotation you may apply to that. Incidentally, I've only ever addressed you by your nick, but I have read seen on a number of occasions you resort to juvenile name-calling and immature threats when you are challenged. It really defeats any credibility you might have achieved.
In fact, I've yet to see you respect those who oppose your remarks---and there have been countless recently---nor speak directly. I have seen you, on the other hand, remain immovable, stubborn and narrow-minded while espousing your rhetoric in an arrogant and beligerent manner. You confuse being direct with being bull-headed, I'm afraid.
But defering to the topic: 'Met a couple of cyclists who learned the hard way;' there is no other conclusion to such a title other than you inventing yet another forum to reinforce your position that those who do not wear helmets have not learned yet and that devalues their decision, thereby disrespecting them. You're just unwilling to admit that was your intention.
Please, wear your helmet, enjoy your rides and promote whatever you feel is important, but if you already have an active thread about helmets, as you do---'ratio of male to female cyclists who do not wear a helmet'---don't you think it's inappopriate to start another one about the same thing? The conversation you claim you had could very well have been added there. That's all I'm saying.
Nuff said. I'm off for a late-night ride. :)
SamHouston
You help underscore and emphasize what I stated earlier: that certain types of riding would demand wearing a helmet; i.e. mountain-biking, dirt-biking and road-racing. However, those are and were not the activities the alleged couple were doing nor what N_C was referring to. They were road-riding and road-riding or commuting is not as inherently dangerous as the riskier activities you and I both mentioned.
They were riding on the Mickelson Trail out there, which for the most part is crushed limestone. They were not wearing helmets & were riding to fast on a downhill grade on the trail. They were unfamiliar with the trail & did not know there could be washouts or anything like that
When or if
"When" is a far more reliable term than "if", that is if you are riding a great deal. When I started riding a great deal, if I had known the mileage I'd rack up, I'd like to think that I was never so arrogant as to think there wasn't a situation that could crash me based on my skill et al. A quarter million later, if I could remember ever thinking such a thing, I'd be embarrassed to think of it now. I'd like to think that it wouldn't be just my crashes off-road that I'd anticipated, since that could only be at best 10,000 miles recreational/training/racing, the bulk of my miles are on the road. I've never crashed in a road race, though a rookie did put my rear derailluer in his front spokes once on a training ride, friendly guy though. That's not the majority either, most of my miles are work & commuting.
High mileage = probability taking all bets on gravity winning and your skill won't make the spread.
They were riding on the Mickelson Trail out there, which for the most part is crushed limestone. They were not wearing helmets & were riding to fast on a downhill grade on the trail. They were unfamiliar with the trail & did not know there could be washouts or anything like that
When or if
"When" is a far more reliable term than "if", that is if you are riding a great deal. When I started riding a great deal, if I had known the mileage I'd rack up, I'd like to think that I was never so arrogant as to think there wasn't a situation that could crash me based on my skill et al. A quarter million later, if I could remember ever thinking such a thing, I'd be embarrassed to think of it now. I'd like to think that it wouldn't be just my crashes off-road that I'd anticipated, since that could only be at best 10,000 miles recreational/training/racing, the bulk of my miles are on the road. I've never crashed in a road race, though a rookie did put my rear derailluer in his front spokes once on a training ride, friendly guy though. That's not the majority either, most of my miles are work & commuting.
High mileage = probability taking all bets on gravity winning and your skill won't make the spread.
EnigManiac
When or if
"When" is a far more reliable term than "if", that is if you are riding a great deal. When I started riding a great deal, if I had known the mileage I'd rack up, I'd like to think that I was never so arrogant as to think there wasn't a situation that could crash me based on my skill et al. A quarter million later, if I could remember ever thinking such a thing, I'd be embarrassed to think of it now. I'd like to think that it wouldn't be just my crashes off-road that I'd anticipated, since that could only be at best 10,000 miles recreational/training/racing, the bulk of my miles are on the road. I've never crashed in a road race, though a rookie did put my rear derailluer in his front spokes once on a training ride, friendly guy though. That's not the majority either, most of my miles are work & commuting.
High mileage = probability taking all bets on gravity winning and your skill won't make the spread.
Correction noted, Sam. Much appreciated. I hadn't gone back to refer to the description of their ride. My apologies in that regard.
I certainly don't rack up the kind of mileage you do nor race or even ride all that fast. If I did, I'd have to consider my odds severely reduced at avoiding accidents. My meagre 10km per day is downtown riding, often in bike lanes and one-way residential streets where I do my best to avoid traffic. Of course, I must ride the busy streets as well and am not intimidated by traffic and still feel relatively safe.
"When" is a far more reliable term than "if", that is if you are riding a great deal. When I started riding a great deal, if I had known the mileage I'd rack up, I'd like to think that I was never so arrogant as to think there wasn't a situation that could crash me based on my skill et al. A quarter million later, if I could remember ever thinking such a thing, I'd be embarrassed to think of it now. I'd like to think that it wouldn't be just my crashes off-road that I'd anticipated, since that could only be at best 10,000 miles recreational/training/racing, the bulk of my miles are on the road. I've never crashed in a road race, though a rookie did put my rear derailluer in his front spokes once on a training ride, friendly guy though. That's not the majority either, most of my miles are work & commuting.
High mileage = probability taking all bets on gravity winning and your skill won't make the spread.
Correction noted, Sam. Much appreciated. I hadn't gone back to refer to the description of their ride. My apologies in that regard.
I certainly don't rack up the kind of mileage you do nor race or even ride all that fast. If I did, I'd have to consider my odds severely reduced at avoiding accidents. My meagre 10km per day is downtown riding, often in bike lanes and one-way residential streets where I do my best to avoid traffic. Of course, I must ride the busy streets as well and am not intimidated by traffic and still feel relatively safe.
Bekologist
thank you sam, for reiterating 'when' is more reliable than 'if' for high milage types.
i'm putting down the planks to over 1,200 miles a month in the good months and 6-800 in the bad ones. I put down about 340 miles last week.
i'm putting down the planks to over 1,200 miles a month in the good months and 6-800 in the bad ones. I put down about 340 miles last week.
chipcom
Speaking of helmets, whatz wit dose goofball Buckeye Helmets with all the Look-at-Me nutty stickers plastered all over 'em?
The Buckeye (darned if they look like buckeyes to me) are for doing something good...so you could earn a few yourself by going for a nice ride with N_C and smacking him around everytime he opens his mouth to speak. You do that for me and I'll ride my bike wearing a Nitwitty Lions helmet...for ten minutes or so. :p
The Buckeye (darned if they look like buckeyes to me) are for doing something good...so you could earn a few yourself by going for a nice ride with N_C and smacking him around everytime he opens his mouth to speak. You do that for me and I'll ride my bike wearing a Nitwitty Lions helmet...for ten minutes or so. :p
chipcom
C'mon Chipcom, play nice.
I am playing nice...you wouldn't want to see me not playing nice. :p
http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/televisao/artigos/hulk/lembra7.jpg
I am playing nice...you wouldn't want to see me not playing nice. :p
http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/televisao/artigos/hulk/lembra7.jpg
chipcom
thank you sam, for reiterating 'when' is more reliable than 'if' for high milage types.
i'm putting down the planks to over 1,200 miles a month in the good months and 6-800 in the bad ones. I put down about 340 miles last week.
I must be some kind of aberation then. I can't count the number of miles I have under my belt over the years, yet I can count on one hand the times I have 'crashed'. Now if I were HH, I would hoist that fact about as proof of my elite cyclist status and call you a weenie for crashing so much...but you and I both know that as soon as I did, I'd crash and probably end up a veg, so I will just count it as 20% skill, 80% luck. whereas you have 40% skill and only 60% luck :D :p
i'm putting down the planks to over 1,200 miles a month in the good months and 6-800 in the bad ones. I put down about 340 miles last week.
I must be some kind of aberation then. I can't count the number of miles I have under my belt over the years, yet I can count on one hand the times I have 'crashed'. Now if I were HH, I would hoist that fact about as proof of my elite cyclist status and call you a weenie for crashing so much...but you and I both know that as soon as I did, I'd crash and probably end up a veg, so I will just count it as 20% skill, 80% luck. whereas you have 40% skill and only 60% luck :D :p
supcom
I don't deny N_C's right to state his opinion or express his views. My objection is when there are active threads on the subject and he starts another and then another and then another all about the same thing. Keep it to one thread was all I suggested so that once I have read his views I don't have to encounter them again on every other thread he starts.
It's rather sad that some people preach so incessantly to the choir that they not only are ineffective at converting the sinners, but can drive saints into the arms of the devil.
It's rather sad that some people preach so incessantly to the choir that they not only are ineffective at converting the sinners, but can drive saints into the arms of the devil.
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