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Hmmm, 42% of the fatalities had been drinking and 18% were legally drunk.
The full report is here: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/ncsa/ppt/2006/810639.pdf
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Hmmm, 42% of the fatalities had been drinking and 18% were legally drunk.
Looking at the chart... I'm now never getting on a bike again unless I've had a drink or two! Deaths with BAC between 0.01 & 0.07 are only 3% :p
I think this phenomena is that many hard-core alcoholics lose their license and/or car because of DUI's, and then use a bike to get around. They can't stop drinking, however, and this is the result. Sad.
Looking at the chart... I'm now never getting on a bike again unless I've had a drink or two! Deaths with BAC between 0.01 & 0.07 are only 3% :p
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Wow, weird double post minutes apart. (left my computer, came back to a error and refreshed)
I think this phenomena is that many hard-core alcoholics lose their license and/or car because of DUI's, and then use a bike to get around. They can't stop drinking, however, and this is the result. Sad.
Yep. That's why I feel it is wrong for states to redefine DUI such that it does not apply to cycling. After all, we have laws against suicide.
Plus, such riders reflect badly on us all, leading non-riding Mrs. Grundy types to promote laws & measures 'for our own good'.
Yep. That's why I feel it is wrong for states to redefine DUI such that it does not apply to cycling. After all, we have laws against suicide.
Plus, such riders reflect badly on us all, leading non-riding Mrs. Grundy types to promote laws & measures 'for our own good'.
On the other hand, maybe its good for hardcore alcoholics to be able to be arrested for bicycle DUI. It will be one more bad consequence for them as a result of their drinking, and it may be the impetus for them to get help, since most states DUI laws require alcohol/drug abuse counseling as part of a defendant's sentence.
That chart includes alcohol as a factor if it is above .01, yet IIRC the NHTSA does not use the same cut off when talking of motorist killed with alcohol as a factor, rather they go by the police determination of whether alcohol was a factor.
Seems like a .01 is alot more dangerous in a car than it is as a pedestrian. Also I'd be curious if there are estimates (or studies) as to the number of drunk pedestrians that make it home safetly in a given year. Based on my days as a student I'd say it is some astronomical number.
How many bui's killed someone else? How many pui's killed someone else?
The effort spent enforcing bui and pui laws would be much better spent enforcing auto dui laws. Of course then more politicians are in danger of getting caught...
\begin{edit} Just read the report, they do use the 0.01 as a cut off for motor vechicles. I withdraw the corresponding objection \end{edit}
\begin{rant} 16,888 people killed in alcohol related crashes!! 3,000 people die in NYC and we start dropping bombs all over the world but we can't keep drunks from slaughtering us in our own country!!! \end{rant} \retiresfromtheworldforawhile.
On the other hand, maybe its good for hardcore alcoholics to be able to be arrested for bicycle DUI. It will be one more bad consequence for them as a result of their drinking, and it may be the impetus for them to get help, since most states DUI laws require alcohol/drug abuse counseling as part of a defendant's sentence.
Discliamer: This is completely subjective & based on my own work experiences. I work in a clinic where they have DUII treatment, amongst other things. That treatment works very well for the first-time DUIIs who aren't hard core alcoholics. There's a huge education component to it, and it really serves as a wake-up call. The hard core, multiple DUIIs go there because they have to satisfy the court and generally drive drunk again. I'm not sure what the answer is, or if there is one besides making drunk driving extremely socially unacceptable. It's a tough problem.
Discliamer: This is completely subjective & based on my own work experiences. I work in a clinic where they have DUII treatment, amongst other things. That treatment works very well for the first-time DUIIs who aren't hard core alcoholics. There's a huge education component to it, and it really serves as a wake-up call. The hard core, multiple DUIIs go there because they have to satisfy the court and generally drive drunk again. I'm not sure what the answer is, or if there is one besides making drunk driving extremely socially unacceptable. It's a tough problem.
I think you are probably right, the severe alcoholic is hard to treat and tends to be a repeat offender.
Pedalcyclist? How about Human powered Vehicle?
Actually, for bicyclists, the chart indicates that the percentage of alcohol related fatalities is 26.5%. Plus, the displayed total for > .01 is wrong: Adding the 28 for .01 < BAC < .07 and the 181 for > .08 is 209, not 208.
Anyway, adding the 576 'No Alcohol' to the 208 (or maybe 209?) for 'Alcohol-Related' gives you the total fatalities = 784. Dividing 208 by 784 gives the real percentage = 26.5%, which is lower than the 39% alcohol-related deaths due to auto crashes.
I think this phenomena is that many hard-core alcoholics lose their license and/or car because of DUI's, and then use a bike to get around. They can't stop drinking, however, and this is the result. Sad.
I'm sure that happens, but you can't forget that some people engage in extremely risky behavior because they either don't care or are convinced that "it won't happen to me!" I've got a few friends who are smart folks who do great things, but when it comes to cycling they feel a need to go for the "too cool for school/I like to pretend I'm a bike messenger" style of cycling. They blow stoplights, don't hesitate to ride against traffic if it'll save them a block, ride while heavily intoxicated (or even while drinking), and so on. I've tried to reason with them and have given up; there's no getting through to them, and so all I can do is hope harm doesn't come their way.
Hmmm, 42% of the fatalities had been drinking and 18% were legally drunk.
The full report is here: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/ncsa/ppt/2006/810639.pdf
A similar finding is found on this page
http://neptune.spacebears.com/opine/helmets.html
where it says,It turns out that alcohol is a major player in all fatalities, not just car crashes. Drunk drivers cause 40% of car fatalities; drunk riders cause 29% of motorcycle fatalities; drunk bicyclists cause 24% of bicycle fatalities; and drunk pedestrians (we are not making this up) cause 33% of pedestrian fatalities.
Add in the number of children who die on the bike because they are not old enough to understand traffic or are so young as to not respect traffic, and the numbers of deaths of cyclists go quite low (for the number of people who ride a bike)
DUI on bikes should be treated just like DUI on cars. We can't have it both ways, either we are a vehicle or not. There are way too many bicyclists who only want to be treated as a vehicle when it is convenient for them and as a pedestrian otherwise.
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