[oilfreeandhappy]

Here's an interesting link:
http://www.ecoplan.org/carfreeday/

There's a lot of information, and the writer is very down-to-earth. I liked when I read this personal statement from him.

"Just to be sure that this is more than a personal and idiosyncratic summary of problem and eventual solutions, we have placed this before several authoritative international forums of transportation and environment specialists from more than fifty countries around the world. And while there was, as you might well guess, abundant criticism and qualifications - many of which have been incorporated into this draft - the bottom line was that this analysis is generally on track."

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[ken cummings]

Just re-engineer the people. The rest will follow.

[HiYoSilver]

WHERE'S THE MULTIPLE CHOICE?

It's too long and it won't be accepted in my area. What will work in a high population density of paris won't work in the metro denver area, much less in the Western US states. Distances are just too vast and population is limited by available jobs and water rights.

Some stated ideas are insane. "physically handicapped" are hindered by cars? Like they can ride bikes?
Cars aren't the enemy. Individual, family unit and group transportation options are needed that are both convenient and cost effective. Cars are part of the solution in some conditions. Bikes have their place but are severely limited by trip range and secure storage issues. Motorcycles and scooters are way way underrepresented. Trucks, i.e. SUV's are way over represented. Go play SimCity and then come up with a solution that will work for low population areas as well as high population areas.

[oilfreeandhappy]

WHERE'S THE MULTIPLE CHOICE?

It's too long and it won't be accepted in my area. What will work in a high population density of paris won't work in the metro denver area, much less in the Western US states. Distances are just too vast and population is limited by available jobs and water rights.

Some stated ideas are insane. "physically handicapped" are hindered by cars? Like they can ride bikes?
Cars aren't the enemy. Individual, family unit and group transportation options are needed that are both convenient and cost effective. Cars are part of the solution in some conditions. Bikes have their place but are severely limited by trip range and secure storage issues. Motorcycles and scooters are way way underrepresented. Trucks, i.e. SUV's are way over represented. Go play SimCity and then come up with a solution that will work for low population areas as well as high population areas.

Actually, I think Denver is on the right track. Mayor Hickenlooper has done a great job in getting all the community leaders behind Fasttrax, and it passed on the ballot. Fasttrax is all about non-asphalt solutions to transportation, expanding the Light Rail substantially. Thanks to some other initiatives, the Bike Trails in Denver are fantastic.

The Light Rail is all handicap accessible, as are the buses. Also, I don't view Denver and its suburbs (including Broomfield) as a low population area. Last I heard, commuter Rail is slated to head North along the I-25 corridor to Fort Collins. I'm looking forward to that!

[HiYoSilver]

Broomfield is only 60K pop and there is no continuous bike lane path around the city. It also lacks, as most cities, any secure bike storage. Metal inverted U poles are not secure.

The link asked for car free. You need a population density more like San Fran, LA, or downtown Denver to make car free make sense. Light rail is good as a transportation alternative, but when it replaces all other types it is too expensive for low population. An example of great light rail is in Santa Clara.

[oilfreeandhappy]

Broomfield is similar to Fort Collins. Once these towns, and neighboring towns are linked via rail with Denver, I can easily see a car-free existence. As long as I can get to Denver, Loveland and Greeley from the Fort, I can make it happen...

Your other points about a continuous bike lane path and secure storage seem to be personal preferences. It would be a nicety, but I can live without these.

You are correct about Light Rail within a small town. I have read the same. There is definitely a point where this solution is too expensive, and these communities will need to continue to rely on buses for their internal transit.

[PaulH]

I found an annoying voiceover with several semi-hidden links blocked by my popup blocker.
Consequently, I did not read it. Apparently, the contents were not considered important enough to post in a simple text file.


Paul