Recumbent - taking the bait

BTW, if you're going to race someone, try actually participating in a race. I can round up an extra bike if you want to try it and see what slouches we racers are.
If you re-read lowracer1's posts I think you'll find that he hasn't bragged about himself anywhere...he's bragging about his bike.

If you re-read lowracer1's posts I think you'll find that he hasn't bragged about himself anywhere...he's bragging about his bike.

If he's bragging about his bike, then he wouldn't be worried about whether the riders he passed were "the racer types", would he?

Bottom line is if you're going to brag about dropping people, do it rider vs. rider. Bents are faster in the flats and descents. Yippee. See you on the first climb. Hence the Pro Team vs. Car comment. I had the faster vehicle by definition, so it wasn't a fair comparison, was it?

In the mean time, I will gauge my successes and failures against the other CYCLISTS I race against, not their style of bike.

If he's bragging about his bike, then he wouldn't be worried about whether the riders he passed were "the racer types", would he?

Bottom line is if you're going to brag about dropping people, do it rider vs. rider. Bents are faster in the flats and descents. Yippee. See you on the first climb. Hence the Pro Team vs. Car comment. I had the faster vehicle by definition, so it wasn't a fair comparison, was it?

In the mean time, I will gauge my successes and failures against the other CYCLISTS I race against, not their style of bike.


Most of us who have lowracers on this board do participate, and do extremely well, when we're not banned by the UCI and USCF. You'll note that nearly 100% of races do not allow recumbents. It must be because we're so slow!

Most of us who have lowracers on this board do participate, and do extremely well, when we're not banned by the UCI and USCF.

Extremely well against who? Other DF's? Other bents?


You'll note that nearly 100% of races do not allow recumbents. It must be because we're so slow!

No, not at all--bents were banned because the equipment gave an unfair advantage.

But you proved my point--you use yourself as an athlete and your 'bent interchangeably. 100% of races allow cyclists who ride the bike that are specified in the rules.

The fact that you hide behind your 'bent saying that you'd shred the field in a race, then say in the same breath (reading the sarcasm) that the only reason you don't race is because the UCI and USCF banned bents is pathetic. You can hop right on a DF bike that's UCI and USCF legal and race away to your heart's delight.

Extremely well against who? Other DF's? Other bents?



No, not at all--bents were banned because the equipment gave an unfair advantage.

But you proved my point--you use yourself as an athlete and your 'bent interchangeably. 100% of races allow cyclists who ride the bike that are specified in the rules.

The fact that you hide behind your 'bent saying that you'd shred the field in a race, then say in the same breath (reading the sarcasm) that the only reason you don't race is because the UCI and USCF banned bents is pathetic. You can hop right on a DF bike that's UCI and USCF legal and race away to your heart's delight.

What's up here, is there a call on the roadie forum saying you're getting dissed over here? I can't imagine all you roadie types read this forum on your own. You guys remind me of some teens I saw text messaging each other that there was gonna be a brawl and GET OVER HERE!

And the anger, macho posturing, and name calling, what's up with that? Is your pride hurt that there are people over here riding funny looking bikes that aren't giving you your propers? Are they saying their toys are nicer than your toys? Well, you tell them. Tell them they ride all over the road, or they're liars, or your dick is bigger than theirs. That will show them. If they CAN ride faster on their bike than you can on yours(which i'm sure they can't because you are cool and they aren't) well, you can spit a bigger loogie, or light a bluer fart. I'm sure you can show your superiority over these uppity people somehow.

What's up here, is there a call on the roadie forum saying you're getting dissed over here? I can't imagine all you roadie types read this forum on your own. You guys remind me of some teens I saw text messaging each other that there was gonna be a brawl and GET OVER HERE!

And the anger, macho posturing, and name calling, what's up with that? Is your pride hurt that there are people over here riding funny looking bikes that aren't giving you your propers? Are they saying their toys are nicer than your toys? Well, you tell them. Tell them they ride all over the road, or they're liars, or your dick is bigger than theirs. That will show them. If they CAN ride faster on their bike than you can on yours(which i'm sure they can't because you are cool and they aren't) well, you can spit a bigger loogie, or light a bluer fart. I'm sure you can show your superiority over these uppity people somehow.

No, no call--just saw a video of a hard-core dropfest that didn't look like anything resembling a race and thought it was a little ridiculous to see the OP smugly boasting about the victory.

It's been covered ad nauseum on the roadie forum--if all parties aren't in agreement, it's not a race. It's the same asinine comment made on the roadie forum all the time, only this time it was a bent rider.

And if you took the time to READ rather than just spew vulgar garbage, you'd find that I wasn't denying that bents are faster. Nor did I ever say that anyone was riding all over the road. I didn't even debate his speed. The only thing I took issue with was the OP's comment about dropping riders when he doesn't even know if they were competing. Without a mutual agreement by everyone involved, there's no race. Period. Just check any of the 987,433 threads on the roadie forum about "_____ (got dropped by / dropped) _____" if you don't get how ridiculous that is for someone to go zipping by winning his self-proclaimed races.

But you were too busy being the bigger person to catch any of that. It's OK, I understand.

Without a mutual agreement by everyone involved, there's no race.

Ah, but here's the scenario:

Well into a century ride, OP passes a group of riders. OP slows down to the group's pace, hanging out in front of them 100-200 feet. If group speeds up to catch and then tries to repass, it's a race. If nobody takes the bait (hence the thread title,) then he speeds back up to his normal pace and eventually passes other worthies, where the behavior is repeated.

OK, it's a little childish. The OP has already proved his superior cruising speed by passing the group the first time. But then, the victim group had the option of continuing at their previous speed and avoiding the followup show. Personally, I just make the original pass stick. If they want to make it a race, it rarely matters anyway.

Against a mixed field, of course. Oh, and I never said I don't race. I actually compete in tris quite often, and do rather well. My timing chip averages this year on my upright have never been less than 19.4 mph, even after some pretty grueling swims. And that's with no drafting allowed during the race. Not top of the field, but pretty good. So yes, I am an athlete. I'm a wrestling coach and a powerlifter as well. In my spare time (yeah right) I teach martial arts - though the more I bike, the less of that I am able to fit in these days. And when you put me on my lowracer, I just get faster and faster. Not to mention I ride with less pain, which translates to better endurance. I did the computer chip option on the HHH this year as well on my lowracer, and was clocked for one 10 mile stretch or so with an average of 33mph. It was extremely smooth pavement and flat - that's definately not a normal cruising speed for me by any means.

I was speaking about bents versus uprights in general. Most benters are not athletes. Some of us however are.


Extremely well against who? Other DF's? Other bents?



No, not at all--bents were banned because the equipment gave an unfair advantage.

But you proved my point--you use yourself as an athlete and your 'bent interchangeably. 100% of races allow cyclists who ride the bike that are specified in the rules.

The fact that you hide behind your 'bent saying that you'd shred the field in a race, then say in the same breath (reading the sarcasm) that the only reason you don't race is because the UCI and USCF banned bents is pathetic. You can hop right on a DF bike that's UCI and USCF legal and race away to your heart's delight.

Now I'm starting to remember why I don't hang out around here hardly anymore. Too many roadie trolls invading the recumbent forum. BooHoo. Try the following to get back at those nasty roadies:

Take bent out for a ride.

Find a nice shady place to pull over.

Lay and wait for roadies.

When they're about a minute or so out, put down bucket of fried chicken.

Turn on head/ wobble cam.

Hug the centerline forcing those nasty roadies to pass into oncoming traffic.

Put the hammer down overtaking them.

When you reach the bottom of the hill turn head/wobble cam off.

Should take about 2:44.

Return to bucket of chicken.

Repeat if you have the legs.

No, no call--just saw a video of a hard-core dropfest that didn't look like anything resembling a race and thought it was a little ridiculous to see the OP smugly boasting about the victory.

It's been covered ad nauseum on the roadie forum--if all parties aren't in agreement, it's not a race. It's the same asinine comment made on the roadie forum all the time, only this time it was a bent rider.

And if you took the time to READ rather than just spew vulgar garbage, you'd find that I wasn't denying that bents are faster. Nor did I ever say that anyone was riding all over the road. I didn't even debate his speed. The only thing I took issue with was the OP's comment about dropping riders when he doesn't even know if they were competing. Without a mutual agreement by everyone involved, there's no race. Period. Just check any of the 987,433 threads on the roadie forum about "_____ (got dropped by / dropped) _____" if you don't get how ridiculous that is for someone to go zipping by winning his self-proclaimed races.

But you were too busy being the bigger person to catch any of that. It's OK, I understand.

So the anger, macho posturing, and name calling from the roadies on this thread is because you resent the OP from taking pride in his bike and the outcome of that little showdown? Why do you hate America? Seriously, why are you guys over here trying to give smackdowns to the bent riders?

I like how you attampted to take the moral high ground about how vulgar I am. Does that work for you when the football team is giving you a wedgie? Look at the history of the thread. It was roadies who started with the name calling and insults. Is it because the OP violated the roadie reality code of when bikes are really racing and when you can feel good about it? There is something out of whack here, and I dont' have to be the bigger person to see that. Can you understand that?

BooHoo. Try the following to get back at those nasty roadies:

Take bent out for a ride.

Find a nice shady place to pull over.

Lay and wait for roadies.

When they're about a minute or so out, put down bucket of fried chicken.

Turn on head/ wobble cam.

Hug the centerline forcing those nasty roadies to pass into oncoming traffic.

Put the hammer down overtaking them.

When you reach the bottom of the hill turn head/wobble cam off.

Should take about 2:44.

Return to bucket of chicken.

Repeat if you have the legs.

Try the following to protect your fragile ego from information that conflicts with your inflated sense of self:

- Ride with some buddies in your super cool kit and super cool bike.

- Obviously, pass everyone in sight (not that you care or anything. Yawn)

- If passed by some loser on a funny, uncool bike, pass him back. Use a little teamwork here, it's ok.

- If the loser on his stupid, uncool, weird bike that you wouldn't be caught dead riding passes you back and no matter what you do you can't catch him you, and this is very important, act like you were never racing in the first place and you could give a **** about that psycho who put the hammer Down and what's up with that??? Geez, those bent guys are SO weird.

- Go back to being cool. try to ignore the bent disappearing over the horizon.

C'mon guys, you're arguing with someone so insecure and pretentious that they put "Dr" in their logon name for a bicycle board. If we're going to use titles, I'm changing mine to KingDennis.

C'mon guys, you're arguing with someone so insecure and pretentious that they put "Dr" in their logon name for a bicycle board. If we're going to use titles, I'm changing mine to KingDennis.


Emporer Aiki: beat that, yo!

Emporer Aiki: beat that, yo!

Where's your emporium?

Has it been removed or something? I says it's been removed.

Where's your emporium?

*laugh* I think I meant Emperor, didn't I?

... someone so insecure and pretentious that they put "Dr" in their logon name for a bicycle board.

Oooooh...Dr Pete! For a minute there I thought you meant me!

Wheeew! I was just funnin' with Chrisvu05 back a ways!
I only put Dr in my logon name because I've spent 20 years performing "surgery" on bike frames and it was a nickname I aquired many moons ago. Plus WAY more people know me by that name than my given name. (Mark,..how many Marks do you know?)

At the next rest stop, after our little showdown, I was talking with the guys that were in the short clip from the 4 hour video. They were competing against me and they told me so. The fact is that they had been chasing me for over an hour and half. Once they finally reeled me in after doing short pulls on and off ( because I was beginning to tire) I got a bit of a second wind when they challenged me on the upgrade. Both sets of bikers were well aware that we were competing against each other and they appreciated the friendly competition and chase. You guys draw too much negative out of a simple short clip. I'd hate to see the crap posted if I posted an hour long video. I have done many races which allowed my recumbent to mix with the upright crowd.

I've done very well at these races with some of them on hilly courses.

I'm not going to take time to send links to all the events because you guys that are spewing the crap simply aren't worth my time.

At the next rest stop, after our little showdown, I was talking with the guys that were in the short clip from the 4 hour video. They were competing against me and they told me so. The fact is that they had been chasing me for over an hour and half. Once they finally reeled me in after doing short pulls on and off ( because I was beginning to tire) I got a bit of a second wind when they challenged me on the upgrade. Both sets of bikers were well aware that we were competing against each other and they appreciated the friendly competition and chase. You guys draw too much negative out of a simple short clip. I'd hate to see the crap posted if I posted an hour long video. I have done many races which allowed my recumbent to mix with the upright crowd.

I've done very well at these races with some of them on hilly courses.

I'm not going to take time to send links to all the events because you guys that are spewing the crap simply aren't worth my time.


you were the originator of spewing crap....see your original post...that is all

At the next rest stop, after our little showdown, I was talking with the guys that were in the short clip from the 4 hour video. They were competing against me and they told me so. The fact is that they had been chasing me for over an hour and half. Once they finally reeled me in after doing short pulls on and off ( because I was beginning to tire) I got a bit of a second wind when they challenged me on the upgrade. Both sets of bikers were well aware that we were competing against each other and they appreciated the friendly competition and chase. You guys draw too much negative out of a simple short clip. I'd hate to see the crap posted if I posted an hour long video. I have done many races which allowed my recumbent to mix with the upright crowd.

I've done very well at these races with some of them on hilly courses.



I think that if you had set the clip up with something similar to your above post you wouldn't have had people taking a dig at you. The original post, as you found out, left you wide open to attacks. Just a thought.

G'day

Oooooh...Dr Pete! For a minute there I thought you meant me!

Nah, I assumed you had a "fun" name. :D

Why are the recumbent riders so insecure? I bet they can beat some kid on a BMX bike too, but what's the point? Why even race riders on different bikes? What are you trying to prove? The BMX'r could also do some tricks on a half-pipe much better than some guy on a recumbent. But that doesn't prove anything either, except that bent's have no business on half-pipes which we already know.

- Ride with some buddies in your super cool kit and super cool bike.

- Obviously, pass everyone in sight (not that you care or anything. Yawn)

- If passed by some loser on a funny, uncool bike, pass him back. Use a little teamwork here, it's ok.

- If the loser on his stupid, uncool, weird bike that you wouldn't be caught dead riding passes you back and no matter what you do you can't catch him you, and this is very important, act like you were never racing in the first place and you could give a **** about that psycho who put the hammer Down and what's up with that??? Geez, those bent guys are SO weird.

- Go back to being cool. try to ignore the bent disappearing over the horizon.

This is just a spin on your Bent Rider's Mission Statement, right?

This is just a spin on your Bent Rider's Mission Statement, right?

?????

Why are the recumbent riders so insecure? I bet they can beat some kid on a BMX bike too, but what's the point? Why even race riders on different bikes? What are you trying to prove? The BMX'r could also do some tricks on a half-pipe much better than some guy on a recumbent. But that doesn't prove anything either, except that bent's have no business on half-pipes which we already know.

Here's a weird thing. I was just wondering the same thing about roadies. Yesterday, I passed a little pack of roadies on my way to work. I was going maybe 22mph. One of them yelled, in a sarcastic voice, "Oh my God, he's showing us up! Look everybody, a recumbent that can go over 15 mph!" I replied, "Dude, I'm just going to work...."

What's up with that? It was sorta like the roadies who came to this forum and tried to diss lowracer for his video and the claims he was making. No one has really explained in a way that makes any sense to me why they would do that. It's not like he went to the roadie forum and posted it there.

Now, as to your question,"What are you trying to prove?" I don't think anyone is trying to prove anything. We like recumbents and like to tell stories and show vids of their abilities and advantages. Roadies are fast, so going faster than a couple of them in a semi competitive situation is interesting and fun to watch.

You know, we also claim that recumbents are more comfortable than a roadie. Funny, no one comes over here and calls people names over that. Why is it that the animosity arises when the issue is speed? What, exactly, are you trying to prove?

Yeah all you frigging recumbent riders ought to be ashamed of yourselves. You must suffer for speed and sport! You must enjoy the feeling of being poked in the butt! :)

I need to go start trolling in the roadie forum.

Why is it that the animosity arises when the issue is speed? What, exactly, are you trying to prove?
Mars,

I don't think the argument concerning this thread has to do with the speed issue so much, but more with the issue of somebody out on a ride and talking about, maybe even coming across as bragging, how he was dropping people. Plus the vid just added fuel to the fire. Roadies rip on other roadies all the time when this topic comes up. Check it out in the roadie section, it's hilarious. IMO if you replaced the roadies in lowracer's clip with two bent riders, he would get ripped just the same, doesn't matter what mode of transport is involved.

Like I said in a previous post, #70 I think, if he would have set the clip up differently, there wouldn't have been a spew fest.

G'day

What's up with that? It was sorta like the roadies who came to this forum and tried to diss lowracer for his video and the claims he was making. No one has really explained in a way that makes any sense to me why they would do that. It's not like he went to the roadie forum and posted it there.


Everyone knows bents are fast. Fred Markham and John Schlitter have demonstrated that, but the OP's post reminded me of the time a guy at school was bragging about how far he got with my sister at the drive-in movie (that tells you how old I am). He made the mistake of letting my father, who knew that my sister had been at home that night, overhear him. He didn't go to my Dad and make the claim, but my Dad overheard it and called him to task for it.

It's the same thing here. It's not just bent riders that read this forum. If you want to send an E-mail and video to your recumbent-rider buddies and brag about how you smoked some roadies, you can expect some privacy. When you come onto a forum like this and make claims that your video shows are pure baloney, don't get bent out of shape when someone calls you on it.

What's up here, is there a call on the roadie forum saying you're getting dissed over here? I can't imagine all you roadie types read this forum on your own. You guys remind me of some teens I saw text messaging each other that there was gonna be a brawl and GET OVER HERE!



yeah, i cant think of anything more juvenile than that... except perhaps this segregational us vs them mentality youre so "bent" on...

Wow, I thought this horse would be dead by now, but people are still beating it!

Wow, I thought this horse would be dead by now, but people are still beating it!

I was just thinking the same thing. :)

You know, we also claim that recumbents are more comfortable than a roadie. Funny, no one comes over here and calls people names over that. Why is it that the animosity arises when the issue is speed? What, exactly, are you trying to prove?

I am completely comfortable on my bike when I ride it. Glad you are too. Does the fact that you can't get comfortable on a DF bike make you a better cyclist too? Boy, that almost sounds absurd.

I agree that bents are fast, and that's all fine and good. I'm also constantly amused by how you think that owning one and using the speed advantage to be faster than a roadie somehow makes you a stronger cyclist.

Since it's very well spelled-out in the rules of bicycle RACING, "races" are contested when everyone is on similar equipment, there is a start line and a finish line, and everyone has agreed that it is, in fact, a race. And everyone's invited to participate on the grounds that they don't hide behind their equipment. Petty contests on flag-mandatory rec rides aren't races.

BTW, if friends that I ride with gave me my user name, is it still not cool by 'bent rider standards? Last I checked, "Mars" had nothing at all to do with cycling, although I'm guessing that someone who chooses to insult people on the internet while naming himself after the god of war has enough issues to deal with that the username thing is pretty far down the list.

...and I was on the football team.

" But that doesn't prove anything either, except that bent's have no business on half-pipes which we already know."

ok, and I suppose that means that you roadies feel that bents have no business to be on the road also.

Too funny. I haven't posted anything here in months and look! I've got the most replies.

I seems that if the road bikers had stayed over in their own forum, there also wouldn't be so many replies.

I guess their pride gets damaged very easily.

I'd like to hear what the solo century times are for these guys ripping on me. Sure they can get a pretty decent time in a pack, but what about solo? The other comment about saying that bents are going to get dropped on a climb? I don't see how you can figure that when we are already 2 miles ahead of you?

My best solo nonstop century time in a 100 mile timetrial race is 4:13:26
I highly doubt any of you ripping on me can touch that without attaching a moped motor to your bikes.

Why do you hate America?

Boy, I don't know. I need to sleep on that one. Try asking me in the morning after I put on my uniform to go serve it so you have a place to live where you're free to be an a$$hole.

I need to go start trolling in the roadie forum.

Go right ahead. Plenty of people over there get shredded when they brag about dropping people in their self-proclaimed races too. Seems a lot of bent riders would fit right in.

Like I said before, I'll drop you on my upright just as easily as my bent. You can pick your poison, but either way you'll still be smelling my exhaust.

....and I was state judo champion and on the wrestling team - state ranked. WTF does that have to do with anything? You want to compare schlongs as well? You win - I'm built like a tuna can.



I am completely comfortable on my bike when I ride it. Glad you are too.

I agree that bents are fast, and that's all fine and good. I'm also constantly amused by how you think that owning one and using the speed advantage to be faster than a roadie somehow makes you a stronger cyclist.

Since it's very well spelled-out in the rules of bicycle RACING, "races" are contested when everyone is on similar equipment, there is a start line and a finish line, and everyone has agreed that it is, in fact, a race. And everyone's invited to participate on the grounds that they don't hide behind their equipment. Petty contests on flag-mandatory rec rides aren't races.

BTW, if friends that I ride with gave me my user name, is it still not cool by 'bent rider standards? Last I checked, "Mars" had nothing at all to do with cycling, although I'm guessing that someone who chooses to insult people on the internet while naming himself after the god of war has enough issues to deal with that the username thing is pretty far down the list.

...and I was on the football team.

Like I said before, I'll drop you on my upright just as easily as my bent. You can pick your poison, but either way you'll still be smelling my exhaust.

....and I was state judo champion and on the wrestling team - state ranked. WTF does that have to do with anything? You want to compare schlongs as well? You win - I'm built like a tuna can.

If you're talking about the football thing, it was in reference to a comment Mars made about getting a wedgie from the football team. You can keep your schlong in your pants.

Wow--almost looked like a comparison of athlete to athlete there rather than athlete to athlete + aerodynamics, in which case I'd be happy to smell your exhaust.

I am completely comfortable on my bike when I ride it. Glad you are too....
I agree that bents are fast...

Dr. Pete,
Have you seen the pictures of fast bents here:
http://recumbuttman.blogspot.com/

Show it to all your racing friends.

MisterBent

Since it's very well spelled-out in the rules of bicycle RACING, "races" are contested when everyone is on similar equipment, there is a start line and a finish line, and everyone has agreed that it is, in fact, a race. And everyone's invited to participate on the grounds that they don't hide behind their equipment.

HPVA rules classify bikes by the degree of fairing. The OP's bike and the uprights were both stock class, so I don't see an issue. The specific platform is the riders' choice. They understood aerodynamics enough to cut their flags down to hip height and echelon into the headwind to catch a SINGLE rider, they just weren't willing to go the final step and ride faster bikes. If you want to preach your narrow view about UCI or USCF rules, do it on a forum that cares. When you do it here, you're just being a carpet-bagger.


Last I checked, "Mars" had nothing at all to do with cycling...

I haven't asked, but I presumed that Mars was a reference to the Metro Area Recumbent Society. Feel free to Google it.

Everyone knows bents are fast.
Obviously you don't, if a previous statement of your's is any indication: "What I keep seeing is guys in this forum talking about how fast they are and how they blow the doors off roadies day in and day out. What I NEVER see is any bent riders on the road actually passing anyone except other bent riders".

It's the same thing here. It's not just bent riders that read this forum. If you want to send an E-mail and video to your recumbent-rider buddies and brag about how you smoked some roadies, you can expect some privacy. When you come onto a forum like this and make claims that your video shows are pure baloney, don't get bent out of shape when someone calls you on it.
No one is asking for, or expecting privacy here. Like I've asked before, If I go to a Redskins forum and somebody says they can kick the Cowboy's A$$, should I be surprised to see that? Should I even care?
The thing that is so laughable, is these roadies that have gotten their lycra all in a bunch, and think they are gonna come over here and set us straight.

Obviously you don't, if a previous statement of your's is any indication: "What I keep seeing is guys in this forum talking about how fast they are and how they blow the doors off roadies day in and day out. What I NEVER see is any bent riders on the road actually passing anyone except other bent riders".

No one is asking for, or expecting privacy here. Like I've asked before, If I go to a Redskins forum and somebody says they can kick the Cowboy's A$$, should I be surprised to see that? Should I even care?
The thing that is so laughable, is these roadies that have gotten their lycra all in a bunch, and think they are gonna come over here and set us straight.

+1

1) I am completely comfortable on my bike when I ride it. Glad you are too. Does the fact that you can't get comfortable on a DF bike make you a better cyclist too? Boy, that almost sounds absurd.

2) I agree that bents are fast, and that's all fine and good. I'm also constantly amused by how you think that owning one and using the speed advantage to be faster than a roadie somehow makes you a stronger cyclist.

3) Since it's very well spelled-out in the rules of bicycle RACING, "races" are contested when everyone is on similar equipment, there is a start line and a finish line, and everyone has agreed that it is, in fact, a race. And everyone's invited to participate on the grounds that they don't hide behind their equipment. Petty contests on flag-mandatory rec rides aren't races.

4) BTW, if friends that I ride with gave me my user name, is it still not cool by 'bent rider standards? Last I checked, "Mars" had nothing at all to do with cycling, although I'm guessing that someone who chooses to insult people on the internet while naming himself after the god of war has enough issues to deal with that the username thing is pretty far down the list.

5)...and I was on the football team.

I numbered the praragraphs in this post to organize my response.
1) It sure does. Good thng that you are the only one who said it. By the way, did you see that there is even more evidence linking roadie seats to male erection problems?...Say, that doesn't have anything to do with your obvious anger and resentment, does it?:eek:

2) No one said that.

3) Dude, you and the other roadies don't get to define reality for everyone else. If those roadies were trying their hardest (and they said they were) then that is a race in my book. If you don't agree, well we all heard your opinon on the matter.

4) Wow, that was harsh. I mean, really. But it is now obvious to everyone who reads this forum that anyone who chooses a name like Mars has some real "issues" to deal with. I'll get on that right away. :rolleyes:

5) haha, I never REALLY thought that the football team gave you wedgies for God's sake! That was a metaphor....

But you know, I'm starting to think that you might hate America.

Everyone knows bents are fast. Fred Markham and John Schlitter have demonstrated that, but the OP's post reminded me of the time a guy at school was bragging about how far he got with my sister at the drive-in movie (that tells you how old I am). He made the mistake of letting my father, who knew that my sister had been at home that night, overhear him. He didn't go to my Dad and make the claim, but my Dad overheard it and called him to task for it.

It's the same thing here. It's not just bent riders that read this forum. If you want to send an E-mail and video to your recumbent-rider buddies and brag about how you smoked some roadies, you can expect some privacy. When you come onto a forum like this and make claims that your video shows are pure baloney, don't get bent out of shape when someone calls you on it.

+1. From the way they're reacting you can tell some think that this is their private bent rider forum. And I believe that if you wanted to be accepted into their private forum, you would have to suffer the following symptons indicative of Bent membership:

Illusions of invulnerability

Unquestioned belief in the inherent morality of the group

Collective rationalization of group's decisions

Shared stereotypes of others, particularly roadies

Self-censorship; members withhold crticisms

Illusions of unanimity

Direct pressure on dissenters to conform

self appointed "mindguards" protect the group from negative information

G'day

Boy, I don't know. I need to sleep on that one. Try asking me in the morning after I put on my uniform to go serve it so you have a place to live where you're free to be an a$$hole.

Holy jumping bald headed skate boarding christ. Tell me you are not that big a morAn! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You thought I was REALLY accusing you of hating America because you didn't agree with lowracer's take on the race!?!?!?!?! :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

+1. From the way they're reacting you can tell some think that this is their private bent rider forum. And I believe that if you wanted to be accepted into their private forum, you would have to suffer the following symptons indicative of Bent membership:

Illusions of invulnerability

Unquestioned belief in the inherent morality of the group

Collective rationalization of group's decisions

Shared stereotypes of others, particularly roadies

Self-censorship; members withhold crticisms

Illusions of unanimity

Direct pressure on dissenters to conform

self appointed "mindguards" protect the group from negative information

G'day

Wow, we sound like Republicans. :eek:

+1. From the way they're reacting you can tell some think that this is their private bent rider forum.
How so? I don't recall anyone here asking you guys not to post on this forum. If you're talking about the pro bent nature of most of the regulars here, well, hell....what do you expect?


And I believe that if you wanted to be accepted into their private forum, you would have to suffer the following symptons indicative of Bent membership:


Even if that were true, I don't understand why you would even care.

Dr. Pete,
Have you seen the pictures of fast bents here:
http://recumbuttman.blogspot.com/

Show it to all your racing friends.

MisterBent

Never before have I seen super soakers and Zipps mounted on the same bike. ANYONE can appreciate that... Sweet. :beer:

Since it's very well spelled-out in the rules of bicycle RACING, "races" are contested when everyone is on similar equipment, there is a start line and a finish line, and everyone has agreed that it is, in fact, a race. And everyone's invited to participate on the grounds that they don't hide behind their equipment. Petty contests on flag-mandatory rec rides aren't races.

Oh, for cryin' out loud, why must you be such a prick about such niggling details?

Let me preface the following by saying that I don't ride a recumbent, I ride one of your precious "DF" road bikes. I only read this forum because I secretly dream of owning a Bacchetta highracer, and I'm trying to wear down my willpower so that I can look the other way when I buy yet ANOTHER expensive bicycle.

<begin rant>
I don't know what world you're living in, but where I live cyclists are some of the most hyper-competitve types that I meet. Almost EVERY time that I ride I see or am involved in the type of "race" that the OP was talking about. If you don't like the terminology of "race" from the lofty position of your "racer" pedestal, then call it whatever you want. Friendly competition, unfriendly competion, it doesn't matter because one thing's for sure: All parties involved are very aware of what's going on. Is it a little childish? Maybe so, but I just call it a way to keep a boring ride interesting, and I know I'm not alone. One of the funniest instances I can think of is this time I passed an old geezer. I'm just cruising along keeping my cadence, when I come upon and pass this old geezer. I'm talking totally gray, white pasty skin like Casper, socks pulled halfway up his calves, but still obviously a cyclist. Of course, at the time I didn't think much of the fact that I was passing, but a little later something catches the corner of my eye, and it's this geezer giving it all he's got, huffing and puffing, trying to overtake me. When he realized he didn't have the gas, he just smiled and said "Oh well, I thought I could take you" and fell back in line. I smiled too, because I understood quite well what was going on.

You don't need rules and regulations for a race to be a race. I don't mind saying even here in this forum that I would never let a recumbent pass me if I can help it. There, I said it. Was that so hard to admit? That's really what this thread was about from the beginning. Recumbent riders are looked at with disdain by us roadies. Admit it. In the mirror thread over in the Road Forum, there's several comments such as "a barcalounger on wheels with a fat old fart riding it". So the OP likes to bait roadies from time to time to engage in these "friendly cometitions" in an effort to restore "honor" to bent riders. So what? He wasn't gloating about it in the Road Forum. Get over it and stick your nose back up in the clouds where it belongs with the rest of your "racer" cadre.

And that, ladies and gentleman, ought to pretty much wrap this thread up, don't you think? That's the intelligent middle voice speaking.

Oh, and Beez - it's not a highracer, but you're welcome to come ride one of my bents and try them out anytime. Since I have two different ones, I wouldn't mind riding with you anytime - upright or 'bent.



Oh, for cryin' out loud, why must you be such a prick about such niggling details?

Let me preface the following by saying that I don't ride a recumbent, I ride one of your precious "DF" road bikes. I only read this forum because I secretly dream of owning a Bacchetta highracer, and I'm trying to wear down my willpower so that I can look the other way when I buy yet ANOTHER expensive bicycle.

<begin rant>
I don't know what world you're living in, but where I live cyclists are some of the most hyper-competitve types that I meet. Almost EVERY time that I ride I see or am involved in the type of "race" that the OP was talking about. If you don't like the terminology of "race" from the lofty position of your "racer" pedestal, then call it whatever you want. Friendly competition, unfriendly competion, it doesn't matter because one thing's for sure: All parties involved are very aware of what's going on. Is it a little childish? Maybe so, but I just call it a way to keep a boring ride interesting, and I know I'm not alone. One of the funniest instances I can think of is this time I passed an old geezer. I'm just cruising along keeping my cadence, when I come upon and pass this old geezer. I'm talking totally gray, white pasty skin like Casper, socks pulled halfway up his calves, but still obviously a cyclist. Of course, at the time I didn't think much of the fact that I was passing, but a little later something catches the corner of my eye, and it's this geezer giving it all he's got, huffing and puffing, trying to overtake me. When he realized he didn't have the gas, he just smiled and said "Oh well, I thought I could take you" and fell back in line. I smiled too, because I understood quite well what was going on.

You don't need rules and regulations for a race to be a race. I don't mind saying even here in this forum that I would never let a recumbent pass me if I can help it. There, I said it. Was that so hard to admit? That's really what this thread was about from the beginning. Recumbent riders are looked at with disdain by us roadies. Admit it. In the mirror thread over in the Road Forum, there's several comments such as "a barcalounger on wheels with a fat old fart riding it". So the OP likes to bait roadies from time to time to engage in these "friendly cometitions" in an effort to restore "honor" to bent riders. So what? He wasn't gloating about it in the Road Forum. Get over it and stick your nose back up in the clouds where it belongs with the rest of your "racer" cadre.

And that, ladies and gentleman, ought to pretty much wrap this thread up, don't you think? That's the intelligent middle voice speaking.

Peace and be safe out there.

Looking forward to lowracer's next clip with baited breath.;)