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Snicklefritz
09-12-06, 12:57 AM
Ok, this is LONG, but here goes!

I decided to do LOTOJA after hearing about it from a friend a year or so ago. It sounded like a
fun event, albeit a bit on the extreme side at 206 miles of racing. I used to do a lot of centuries
like the Death Ride, Mt. Hamilton Challenge and so forth, but then took 2 years off because I
was busy with other stuff. Anyways I started training again last fall and then racing this season.
It was my goal to try a lot of different things, crits, TT's, RR's to get a sense of what I like and
don't like.

I was a bit nervous about the whole LOTOJA thing since I had mostly been training for TT's
and short (ie 2-3 hour) RR's. My longest ride this season was 70 miles. I had some good endurance blocks, but really hadn't done a lot of really long distances. So my goal here at LOTOJA was to "see what happens", and what I could do without specific training.

I arrived in SLC about a week beforehand to get used to the altitude. The first day my lungs were like WTH? where did all the air go?? My power according to the powertap was down by about 10% or so. This kind of went on for 2 days or so. Then after about 3 days I started to get the typical headache/nausea from altitude sickness. That lasted for a few days, then after about 5 I was doing better and by a week, I felt like maybe this whole thing was doable.

the weather turned out to be perfect for the event. It was (I think) in the high 50's, low-mid 60's for most of the race. The only "weather" we really saw all day was a 5-10 min. shower with a bit of hail in one of the canyons. They had a staggered start, with the CAT1/2 men going first and then so on every few minutes. they limited the start packs to about 50-60 people which seemed fairly manageable. Unfortunately, my powertap setup crapped out on me right after my warmup so I was only able to capture HR and cadence data. I'm not certain what speed we started off at, but it *felt* like the typical pace in the CAT4 women's RR's in spite of the fact that we would be racing for 206 miles! The pack stayed together fairly well for the first leg which was about 34 miles or so, going from Logan to Preston through farm country. Coming into Preston we had our first feedzone, with 9 different stations for people to meet up with their support crew. The moving handoffs seemed to go fairly well, but a lot of people opted to get off their bikes, grab food/switch clothing, etc. in 2-5 minutes. Judging from the number of people at the feedzones, it seemed as if a decent percentage of the people came with a crew.

I was expecting the trip out of Preston to be one long gradual climb from ~4500-7500' judging from what the course profile showed. However, it was much more rolling than the map made it out to be. You'd have lots of small climbs that would gradually roll upwards, then back down a bit, then up again. It was the kind of thing that could slow you down just enough that you would notice it, but not so bad that it would fry your legs. The real climbing came in the last 2-3 miles or so. I don't know the exact length because of th $%#$% powertap problems, but I think my guess is probably pretty close. The grade was in the 6-7% range. By this point the various groups were all over the road. People were supposed to be racing only with people in their start pack, but judging from what I saw, no one was really sticking to this. I saw some groups with CAT 5 men, citizen women, CAT4 women, master men and so on...I got the impression that the race organizers really only paid attention to this for people who were in contention for podium or top 10 placings - basically the people out in the front.

the climb was over fairly quickly and rewarded the riders with a spectacular descent. Coming out of strawberry canyon was amazing because the road was partially blocked to traffic so you didn't really have to worry about cars. in addition to that, the roads were basically wide and sweeping so you also didn't need to use your brakes. I don't think I touched mine at all on the descent. I'd kill to know how fast I was going because I had completely spun out. lol.

The next part of the course had two big climbs that were fairly abrupt, but not too long. They also seemed to be in the 2-3 mile range or so. They were preceeded by similar terrain as before, some flat, some rolling. It was the kind of course that kept you on your toes because it was constantly changing and never really let up. Very different from the Death Ride where you are also at altitude except you just go up and down all day at a steady pace.

The decent from Salt River seemed shorter and not as steep as the one in strawberry canyon. It too was followed by what seemed like a lot of variation in terrain: flat stuff, rollers, even some gradual uphills as well. There was a headwind through the last canyon that made things interesting. the last part of the course was on a slight uphill going from jackson to Teton village. Kind of annoying after already doing 200 miles, but it was over soon enough.

I rode the thing solo and finished in 13 hours 50 minutes which I was happy about considering that I hadn't trained for it. I managed to get in soon enough to get my official time recorded as well. :)

Looking back, it was an interesting experience because I had to go completely on feel because my electronics weren't working. I suppose that's not a bad thing, but it did require a lot of mental focus to listen to my body instead of looking at HR or power to see what was going on.

Speed demons like bayareawheeler could probably race this half dead and still win, but here are some things that I thought helped to save time:

(1) Having a support crew helps out tremendously. My dad did SAG duty and had musette bags ready at each stop with stuff in it that I requested when I rode by at the previous stop. This made it possible to get out of each feedzone in 2'. Moving handoffs would have shrunk that number even further. Some people came with several crew members. One guy had one person prepping and putting food in his jersey pockets while another massaged his legs before he got back on. Whatever floats your boat...according to my dad, some people were taking really long in the feedzones, like 20+ minutes. People who didn't have a support crew could use the neutral station, but they didn't always have a huge variety of things for the handoffs. however, the feedzones that were exclusively neutral were well-stocked. some people put drop bags at the neutral station if they didn't have a crew. In spite of this I don't recall seeing many people go to the neutral stations at feedzones were crews were allowed.

(2) Have your bike super-organized. If you prep well, you won't need to carry a whole lot. I had a tiny seat bag with a Co2 thingy and two small cartridges and two tire levers. i also put a small bento box just behind the stem. I put endurolytes in there along with extra contact lenses and a small sunscreen stick. My Gu glask was mounted horizontally on the top tube using velcro and two zip ties to make it easy to access.

(3) the sections of the course that have a lot of climbing will go faster than you think because they roll a lot before going up in any serious way. So you will probably find you need a lot less food than you think.



On the subject of food, I ended up using about 1 bottle per hour except for Preston to the top of strawberry when I used 3 bottles. I had one with accelerade in it and one with water. that seemed to work fairly well given that it wasn't too hot. To that I added 1-2 endurolutes per hour and 1 GU shot per hour or so. I also was nibbling constantly on some kinf of energy bar (clif, nectar) so that I'd consume another 250 cal/hour that way. Although I carred other things like fruit and trail mix I didn't eat any of it. However, I did pick up peanut butter and honey sandwiches from my musette bag at each feedzone.
In that respect I was somewhat surprised because in the past when I've done centuries or things like Death Ride, I've almost always eaten solid foods and been pretty happy. However, with the added pressure of racing and the longer distance I was much happier with liquid forms of energy and very mushy foods.

In retrospect I don't think I would have done anything differently. Although I did it solo (no teammate or pacelines) it was interesting to see what I could do under somewhat less than optimal conditions. I'm planning to sign up next year and try to work in advance to find people to do it with either as a relay or as a group that rides and pacelines the whole thing. There are enough flat sections and small rollers that you can save a ton of time by sharing the pulls amongst a larger group. Not all the packs stay together for that long due to the competitive nature of the event...but if you go in with friends it would probably go signifiantly faster.


to anyone planning to sign up for this, make your hotel reservations early! a lot of the hotels and motels in logan start booking for this about a year in advance. I ended up getting a room because of a cancelation that occured at the last minute. There are a few nearby towns that sell out as well. If you don't get anything in Logan or Cache valley, you might end up getting stuck with a 30-60 minute drive to places like brigham city or ogden. not fun.

Be prepared for all types of weather. Last year they had a bad snowstorm in one of the canyons and over 60% of the people dropped out because they weren't prepared. Then, according to a guy a talked to during the race, a few weeks ago (2 or so) it was in the 90's along the course! So take your warm weather gear, rain gear and winter gear because you never know what you are going to get.

Most of the entrants seemed to be from UT, ID, WY, and CO with only a few people from the west or east coast. At least that's the impression I got from looking at the start lists and results. These same people also seemed to be fairly organized and were in decent sized groups to start off with. Not that everyone needs a group in order to finish or place well, but the nature of the course does make it easier if you have a group to work with.

That's about it for now...I need to catch a few zzz's. If anyone has questions, they are welcomed to ask or PM me for more info


zimbo
09-12-06, 06:30 AM
Thanks for the in-depth report. Great stuff!

--Steve

cycle17
09-12-06, 06:36 AM
Congrats Snickle! Great read, and a fantastic job in the race. Very insightful.


Second Mouse
09-12-06, 08:08 AM
Glad you had a good time, and thanks for the report. Nice work!

Snicklefritz
09-12-06, 09:59 AM
oh and on the way back on I80, I stopped off at the Bonneville Salt Flats...stayed there for
about an hour doing doughnuts and high speed stuff. That's the most fun I've had in a car
in a while...lol.

Vinokurtov
09-12-06, 10:05 AM
Sounds like you're ready for the Everest Challenge :)

JF1
09-12-06, 05:55 PM
Great report! Thanks!

Hhowdy
09-13-06, 06:00 PM
Howdy,
Nice job and Nice write up. You describe the course perfectly.
I agree with you on the grouping thing, We had a CAT4 Woman in our pack (5800's) for the middle 100 miles, she was a medium climber and a fast flat lander.
I posted my results and stuff in the other LOTOJA thread...

M.R.

Galico
09-13-06, 11:39 PM
Way to go girl. By yourself, it's a grind. My training group, which includes the incredable XRAY and HOWDY rode alot of long distance this year. Howdy, Xray and I did several rides this last few months.]
Personally, I logged 5319 miles since last LOTOJA. I rode 7 centuries and century plus rides, with all but ULCER including alot of Climbing. Howdy, Xray and our group did one 110 miler that included over 10,000 feet of climbing on a 104 degree day:eek:
Our group finished all but one rider and we got two podium spots on the Cat V 5900's ( our flyer's)
All our folks rode canyons every week. We met for 7 weeks this summer and rode Millcreek on wednesday evenings-4400 feet in 11 miles.
You talk about tough, I got passed (I told you I'm not a good climber) by a guy in Mink Creek on a single speed-who was wearing Teva's. Wow, I think XRAY and HOWDY saw him also.
Howdy your a stud, when I droped off the 27 MPH pace line into Montpelier you were doing the pulling.
Love you man-IT's time to start training for LOTOJA 2007-I've made my room reservations already.:D

I did not have any pain this year, took some Ibuprofen along the way. Got out of the Van at home to unload on Tuesday and twisted the heck out of my right ankle. Life is funny

NSP_mgv
10-05-06, 10:11 AM
My brother rides this race each year and can't seem to get enough of it. His obsession with it is contagious. I covered LOTOJA 2006 for national sports photos and took nearly 4,000 photos- a long day for me too. I take my hat off to each of you and your dedication to this great event. I will be covering the event next year if you have suggestions for shots...

Photon
12-20-06, 12:09 PM
Nice ride report. I have done this thing twice and am totally hooked. Suffered through cold and rain in 2005, then enjoyed the perfect weather in 2006. What will 2007 bring? Hopefully a podium finish for me!There is not a single day that goes by that I don't spend some time thinking about the next LOTOJA.
I agree that a good SAG team is essential. Also, someone to ride with who has the same goals and similar abilities so you are never alone to fight against the wind. Of course, long-distance training is a must.

bayareawheeler
12-20-06, 08:42 PM
cant wait myself, had a great time last year. hope the weather is as nice...

Bockman
12-21-06, 05:38 AM
Nice ride report. I have done this thing twice and am totally hooked. Suffered through cold and rain in 2005, then enjoyed the perfect weather in 2006. What will 2007 bring? Hopefully a podium finish for me!There is not a single day that goes by that I don't spend some time thinking about the next LOTOJA.
I agree that a good SAG team is essential. Also, someone to ride with who has the same goals and similar abilities so you are never alone to fight against the wind. Of course, long-distance training is a must.

Photon, can you expand a bit with regard to what makes a good SAG team? Also, what hotel accomodtions do you make and what places would you recommend?

GuitarWizard
12-21-06, 07:59 AM
I think I want to do this in '07 - just trying to figure out the logistics of it all, and the expenses....

Snicklefritz
12-21-06, 08:51 AM
Photon, can you expand a bit with regard to what makes a good SAG team? Also, what hotel accomodtions do you make and what places would you recommend?

I can recommend some hotels for both Logan and Jackson.

In Logan: The Baugh Motel

Jackson: let me check on this and get back to you.

If you are serious, call Baugh ASAP! They typically start booking a year in advance for LOTOJA. A few months before the event, everything within a 45-60 minute drive will be booked solid.

Good SAG:
You can do this with one person if you have them prep very carefully beforehand. What you want to do is have materials for them to give you at each scheduled stop. Food prepped in advance, water & sport drink ready to go, changes of clothes if the weather goes bad, etc. Tell them what you want at each stop and they should have it there to hadn off as you roll by. You don't really need more than one SAG person if they are organized. One person I rode with had his family there doing SAG, and while one person would hand off the food, another one would give them a leg massage to loosen them up. If you don't need that than one person is just fine.

The feedzones have 9 numbered spaces with a "neutral" one after the 9th station. I recommend meeting up with your crew at the 9th one to save time. It is typically less crowded at the 9th station because it's right next to the neutral zone. Most of the other stations are super crowded making moving handoffs difficult or complicating the process of getting in to where your crew is.

Bockman
12-21-06, 09:12 AM
^^^ well, I want to book soon but the exact dates haven't been posted yet, as far as I know...

Snicklefritz
12-21-06, 09:37 AM
^^^ well, I want to book soon but the exact dates haven't been posted yet, as far as I know...

It's almost always the same weekend...you could always book a few extra days and then adjust later.

GuitarWizard
12-21-06, 04:18 PM
Currently trying to talk the girlfriend into being my "support group".

JF1
12-23-06, 10:49 PM
I'm going to be there for '07! Me and a guy from work have already started training. I've lost a little over 20 lbs, working on that power to weight ratio. :)
Hope my wife will do the SAG work.

Photon
07-27-07, 09:42 PM
As Snicklefritz said, the support people need to be prepared and quick. There is nothing worse than watching that big group you rode in with pull out and leave while your support person runs back to the car because they forgot your powerbars or something. For me the best person is someone who understands a little about biking, something about racing, a little about nutrition and is willing to waste a day driving and waiting for me. Quickness to get everything shoved in your pockets, water bottles exchanged and off again. I had my wife just bring a bag with things I knew I would need and I would stop quickly, pull off arm warmers and long gloves, put the short gloves in one pocket a bar and a gel in the other while she would top off my bottles. In less than a minute I can be rolling again and can usually chase down the main group within a couple of blocks because they go so slow with the musette anyway and I don't risk a stupid wreck. Having extra stuff (water & gatorade) in their bag is good. Last year at Montpelier, I guzzled one bottle of gatorade while my wife filled the second (they weren't giving water hand-ups at the top of Strawberry and I didn't want to stop). Luckily she had more to refill the first again. My partners' crew hadn't shown so she then filled his bottles too. If they had left all the extra in the car, we would have lost tons of time there.
Make sure you pre-determine what number of stop you will meet at because there are a thousand riders and most of them must bring all their extended family to witness the event because at the first couple of stops, there are throngs of people waiting, forming an impenetrable wall along the curb while they wait expectantly for their rider(even though he probably just left Logan 15 minutes before).
Have them bring a folding lawn chair along to sit in at the last couple of stops, By that time, you can get ahead of the slower groups and they can see you from the chair. You can then sit in the chair while they fill your bottles and pockets. Make sure to sit for a couple of minutes at the most. Just keep telling yourself that the faster you get out there, the sooner it will all be over.
Count on 4-5 other riders wearing a jersey that looks a lot like yours as well, no matter how unique you think it will be.
Stay anywhere in town. The Baugh is ok. There is a new M-6, but I think it is booked. There are the same # of riders every year, so there must be enough rooms to go around. I am not going to tell you where we stay just in case there aren't.
Good luck.

Hhowdy
07-27-07, 10:11 PM
Howdy,
I've been on a job site in Los Angeles since January 07 and won't be done here until December 07, I'm working 12 hours per day 6 days per week so I'm only getting 50-100 miles of riding per week down from 200-300 when I was training for LOTOJA 05 and 06. I'll have to miss the race this year but I intend on being back in shape for the 2008 event.
Good luck to all of you lucky folks heading to Wyo this year, I'll be cheering for you.

M.R.

GuitarWizard
07-27-07, 11:09 PM
I still need to do this someday.

Snicklefritz
07-28-07, 12:34 AM
I still need to do this someday.

It's a great course. Book your rooms this fall if you want to do it in '08.

I'm all geared up for september. My brother and I are doing it as a relay team with my dad doing SAG.

GuitarWizard
07-28-07, 06:39 AM
I'm in a bit of a transition period right now with things going on, so perhaps in '09.

JF1
07-29-07, 07:09 PM
It's a great course. Book your rooms this fall if you want to do it in '08.

I'm all geared up for september. My brother and I are doing it as a relay team with my dad doing SAG.

Book your rooms now! if you think you will be doing Lotoja next year. You can always cancel if you don't get in. I started calling hotels as soon as I received my registration confirmation and everyone was booked.

I'll be there with my wife doing SAG duty. We are going to a Lotoja crew meeting this Wednesday here in Salt Lake City to find out exactly how this works.

I'm already getting nervous. I've got at least 15 more lbs I want to lose before then. We'll see. :D

JF1
07-29-07, 07:11 PM
As Snicklefritz said, the support people need to be prepared and quick. There is nothing worse than watching that big group you rode in with pull out and leave while your support person runs back to the car because they forgot your powerbars or something. For me the best person is someone who understands a little about biking, something about racing, a little about nutrition and is willing to waste a day driving and waiting for me. Quickness to get everything shoved in your pockets, water bottles exchanged and off again. I had my wife just bring a bag with things I knew I would need and I would stop quickly, pull off arm warmers and long gloves, put the short gloves in one pocket a bar and a gel in the other while she would top off my bottles. In less than a minute I can be rolling again and can usually chase down the main group within a couple of blocks because they go so slow with the musette anyway and I don't risk a stupid wreck. Having extra stuff (water & gatorade) in their bag is good. Last year at Montpelier, I guzzled one bottle of gatorade while my wife filled the second (they weren't giving water hand-ups at the top of Strawberry and I didn't want to stop). Luckily she had more to refill the first again. My partners' crew hadn't shown so she then filled his bottles too. If they had left all the extra in the car, we would have lost tons of time there.
Make sure you pre-determine what number of stop you will meet at because there are a thousand riders and most of them must bring all their extended family to witness the event because at the first couple of stops, there are throngs of people waiting, forming an impenetrable wall along the curb while they wait expectantly for their rider(even though he probably just left Logan 15 minutes before).
Have them bring a folding lawn chair along to sit in at the last couple of stops, By that time, you can get ahead of the slower groups and they can see you from the chair. You can then sit in the chair while they fill your bottles and pockets. Make sure to sit for a couple of minutes at the most. Just keep telling yourself that the faster you get out there, the sooner it will all be over.
Count on 4-5 other riders wearing a jersey that looks a lot like yours as well, no matter how unique you think it will be.
Stay anywhere in town. The Baugh is ok. There is a new M-6, but I think it is booked. There are the same # of riders every year, so there must be enough rooms to go around. I am not going to tell you where we stay just in case there aren't.
Good luck.

That's good info Photon. I'll add this info to the good info I've received from Snicklfritz.

Greg180
07-29-07, 07:18 PM
Very nice report and good read.

mgvaughan
03-04-08, 10:20 AM
greetings Snicklefritz,

I shoot LOTOJA each year for National Sports Photos (white Toyota van). Let me know what actual time of day you finshed in 2007 and I will look through my archived photos for your finish photo. I can send you a copy (free of charge) for posting with your reports.

See you in 2008,

Michael