Southern California - OCW Fall Metric Century in Redlands

Saturday October 28, 2006
THE ORANGE COUNTY WHEELMEN’S (http://www.ocw.org/FallMetric/ocw_fall_metric_century.htm)


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ALL RIDERS ARE AUTOMATICALLY ENTERED IN A DRAWING FOR A BICYCLE, HEART MONITOR, & JAX BIKE SHOP GIFT CERTIFICATES.


Description: Metric (64) or half-metric (32) centuries that take you from the foothills up into the heart of the apple country. This ride will be very hilly on the way up into Oak Glen at the top of the hill, with a rest stop at the top where you will have the opportunity to take a break and enjoy some fresh apples and snacks. After this stop, you will have a nice long downhill back into the park, either directly back into the park or via San Timoteo Canyon.

Location: Sylvan Park in Redlands, CA. Take the 10 Fwy east to Redlands, exit at University and turn Left. Go over the Railroad tracks and continue straight. The event will be on the left, across from the Redlands University in Section "A".

CHECK-IN: opens 8:30 am Saturday morning. Ride starts at 9:00am

Non-refundable Registration Fee Includes: Goodie Bag with power bar, GOO, Water Bottle, & Energy Drink, Route slip, Food/Rest stop at top of mountain, Roving Sag Support, End of Ride lunch — Pizza, Salad, and Apple Pie.

Requirements: HELMETS ARE MANDATORY. Waiver/release must be signed and you must show us your helmet at the registration check-in table. Riders under 18 must ride with an adult who signs this form on their behalf. All roads will be open to regular traffic. Cyclists must obey all traffic laws.

OCW Members $25.00
OCW Associate Membership $6.00

More info from the president of Paramount Racing Team...

This is a message to all OCW associate members
that have
ridden a OCW/Paramount ride in the last year. We
have another
great ride for you. The classic Fall Metric.
Back, better
than ever. The ride is Oct. 28th in Redland, Ca.
This year with the help of Jax Bicycle Centers we
are offering a
bicycle, heart monitor, & Jax Bicycle gift
certificates in a drawing
to all that signup. There will be a goodie bag
with a Power
Bar, Goo, water bottle and energy drink. We will
be sweeping
the course with vehicles and members on bikes to
help you
any way we can.
Also new for 2007, there will be a fun informal
hill climb time trial within
the ride using your entry number. Your time and
number will be published on
our website at a later time. Your name will not
appear.
If you did the Spring Metric, Ride Around the
Bear, Fiesta 150 or
the Amtrak Century and thought it was it was
well done then here is another opportunity to have
FUN on your bike! Come join us and after the ride
have some pizza, salad and a slice of freshly
baked apple pie from
the "world famous" Los Rios Ranch.
We will also deliver any products you might buy
at the Los Rios Ranch
to the start/finish area. Los Rios Ranch is at
the top of Oak Glen Road
and is our rest stop. Just give the merchandise
to a Paramount volunteer
and continue on your ride.
See the OCW.org website(
http://www.OCW.org/FallMetric )for
details. You can sign up online with a credit
card. If you have any
questions what so ever. Contact me at
Pres@paramountracing.org.

John McKee
Paramount President

I'm registering right now. Anyone with me??? What should I put for my cycling club affiliation? :p

i'll register when it gets closer! but i plan to be there!

I'm registering right now. Anyone with me??? What should I put for my cycling club affiliation? :p


I'm with ya! I plan on doing the metric as a training ride for JT! ;)

i'll register when it gets closer! but i plan to be there!

me too

I'm registering right now. Anyone with me??? What should I put for my cycling club affiliation? :p



Yeah, Im there.:rolleyes: :p

Wow. I didn't know about this one, and I live in Redlands. Only local organized rides I'm familiar with are Ride Around the Bear, and Breathless Agony. No shortage of climbing around here ;).

Anybody know if they climb up from the Beaumont side or the Yucaipa side?

Doesn't say on the site. Just that you can go back via San Timoteo, or directly back to the park, which leads me to believe they go up the Yucaipa side, and the out and back is the half-metric with the loop back through San Timoteo being the full metric.

Yeah, Im there.:rolleyes: :p

awww... come on, make a weekend of it... come on down!

awww... come on, make a weekend of it... come on down!



Maybe this would be better than Solvang.

Wow. I didn't know about this one, and I live in Redlands. Only local organized rides I'm familiar with are Ride Around the Bear, and Breathless Agony. No shortage of climbing around here ;).

Anybody know if they climb up from the Beaumont side or the Yucaipa side?

Doesn't say on the site. Just that you can go back via San Timoteo, or directly back to the park, which leads me to believe they go up the Yucaipa side, and the out and back is the half-metric with the loop back through San Timoteo being the full metric.


it comes up the "backside" and then descends past the schoolhouse into beaumont...

then along the railroad tracks....

i don't konw about the 1/2.... i've never seen a route slip for it!

Maybe this would be better than Solvang.


Solvang is a really cute little town but your wife could hang in Palm Springs at the SPA while you're riding this one!! Although, I did read somewhere that she actually rides... why don't you talk her into riding too????

Solvang is a really cute little town but your wife could hang in Palm Springs at the SPA while you're riding this one!! Although, I did read somewhere that she actually rides... why don't you talk her into riding too????


No the spa would be her thing. She rides, but only short distances with no hills or cars. But you say Palm Springs huh? That may just work.;)

You should come injured!!

You should come injured!!

now that sounds funny....

You should come injured!!
Or healed!

No the spa would be her thing. She rides, but only short distances with no hills or cars. But you say Palm Springs huh? That may just work.;)


yup... correct me if I'm wrong Cali, but I think Palm Springs is about 20-30 minutes east at most :p

That would be much better 'cause only a few people will make it up to Solvang but many of us can be talked into redlands... so you'll get to meet more peeps!!!

;)

You should come injured!!
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yup... correct me if I'm wrong Cali, but I think Palm Springs is about 20-30 minute east at most :p

That would be much better 'cause only a few people will make it up to Solvang but many of us can be talked into redlands... so you'll get to meet more peeps!!!

;)

ya.... probably about 30 minutes....

You should come injured!!



Oh the pressure.:eek:

it comes up the "backside" and then descends past the schoolhouse into beaumont...

then along the railroad tracks....

i don't konw about the 1/2.... i've never seen a route slip for it!

That's what I figured. Likely won't be making it out for that one though.

That's the weekend after my last mtn. bike race of the season, so I'll either be taking an off-season break for a few weeks, or jumping right into CX racing. In which case there's a cross race the following day. Probably not a good idea to do a longish climbing ride the day before a race...

Then there's that whole aversion to paying $30 to ride the same roads I ride every weekend ;).

Speaking of which, a question for you all.

At the risk of starting a flame-war, is there a consensus pro or con on locals "poaching" organized rides? My take on that is: if you're not utilizing any of the support provided by the ride organizers, i.e., no stopping at any of the sag stops and trying to scam free food & drink, then there's no reason not to be out on the same route.

In the past I've ridden the Ride Around the Bear route, with a small group of locals, on the day of the event. We simply skipped by all the sag stops, filled our water bottles at convenience stores or campgrounds on the route, and carried or stopped and bought any food we consumed. Just like as if it was a self-supported training ride.

I know of locals who do the same thing during Breathless Agony, though I've not done so.

Is this bad form? Are we earning bad "ride karma"? ;)

Is this bad form? Are we earning bad "ride karma"? ;)

caligurl will have an answer for you! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/BrandyMama/rotfl.gif

That's what I figured. Likely won't be making it out for that one though.

That's the weekend after my last mtn. bike race of the season, so I'll either be taking an off-season break for a few weeks, or jumping right into CX racing. In which case there's a cross race the following day. Probably not a good idea to do a longish climbing ride the day before a race...

Then there's that whole aversion to paying $30 to ride the same roads I ride every weekend ;).

Speaking of which, a question for you all.

At the risk of starting a flame-war, is there a consensus pro or con on locals "poaching" organized rides? My take on that is: if you're not utilizing any of the support provided by the ride organizers, i.e., no stopping at any of the sag stops and trying to scam free food & drink, then there's no reason not to be out on the same route.

In the past I've ridden the Ride Around the Bear route, with a small group of locals, on the day of the event. We simply skipped by all the sag stops, filled our water bottles at convenience stores or campgrounds on the route, and carried or stopped and bought any food we consumed. Just like as if it was a self-supported training ride.

I know of locals who do the same thing during Breathless Agony, though I've not done so.

Is this bad form? Are we earning bad "ride karma"? ;)


NO PIRATING! UGH!

NO PIRATING! UGH!

See...I told you she'd have something to say! :p

well, my son's getting married that day. I don't think I can squeeze it in. :)

well, my son's getting married that day. I don't think I can squeeze it in. :)

Okay fine...that's a legitimate excuse and you've set the bar. Anyone else looking to get out of this ride had better have a reason at least that good, or they're not excused! :p

Okay fine...that's a legitimate excuse and you've set the bar. Anyone else looking to get out of this ride had better have a reason at least that good, or they're not excused! :p


uhhh, Im checking my excuse book, give me some time, I think my cat has a fur appt that day.:p

uhhh, Im checking my excuse book, give me some time, I think my cat has a fur appt that day.:p

No worries injured...we didn't really want you there anyway. <~~~~~reverse psychology

No worries injured...we didn't really want you there anyway. <~~~~~reverse psychology


pssst....hey B... did it work???

pssst....hey B... did it work???

I don't know Tracy, we'll have to see.

I don't know Tracy, we'll have to see.


:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

I think he's onto us.

I think he's onto us.


Keep trying, dont give up.;)

I think he's onto us.



ooooops.... better lay low for a while....

ooooops.... better lay low for a while....

Good idea!

Good idea!



Not at all.:D

Not at all.:D

What? Did someone say something?

What? Did someone say something?


I think that was the wind blowing....

I think that was the wind blowing....

Ahhh yes...the wind...

NO PIRATING! UGH!


See...I told you she'd have something to say! :p

I take it this topic has come up before?

Though, in this case, I'd quibble with the term "pirating".

"Pirate" would seem, to me, to infer the taking of something that is not one's own by force, or perhaps deception.

If one were to scam, or attempt to scam, free food/drink/support from the ride organizers that'd be pirating. Simply riding the roads one would be likely to ride anyway doesn't seem like pirating to me.

Notice I said "locals". If I lived 50 miles away and just *happened* to gather up a bunch of buddies and drive all the way out to Redlands, on that particular day, to ride the same route, then yeah, that'd be pretty shady. I haven't done enough organized "fun" rides to know if this is common practice, but I can see how that would get under the skin of organizers and paying riders.

However, it's my contention that locals, providing they're not utilizing the ride-support, should be given the benefit of the doubt. I mean, should we *avoid* that route on that day, simply because we haven't signed up with the out-of-town club's organized ride ride on our local roads? Speaking of which, it does seem kinda odd that none of the big organized rides around here (Breathless Agony, Ride Around the Bear, etc.) are put on by locals. Wonder why that is.

What if I didn't even know about the ride, and just happened to be out on Oak Glen Road that day (not entirely unlikely given the time of year and the fact that I ride Oak Glen somewhat frequently during the fall). Would I still be "pirating"?

I think that was the wind blowing....



The Santa Ana's?

The Santa Ana's?


yeah... uh... that's it... I did read in Jason's report that they've been blowin' lately ;)

I take it this topic has come up before?

Though, in this case, I'd quibble with the term "pirating".

"Pirate" would seem, to me, to infer the taking of something that is not one's own by force, or perhaps deception.

If one were to scam, or attempt to scam, free food/drink/support from the ride organizers that'd be pirating. Simply riding the roads one would be likely to ride anyway doesn't seem like pirating to me.

Notice I said "locals". If I lived 50 miles away and just *happened* to gather up a bunch of buddies and drive all the way out to Redlands, on that particular day, to ride the same route, then yeah, that'd be pretty shady. I haven't done enough organized "fun" rides to know if this is common practice, but I can see how that would get under the skin of organizers and paying riders.

However, it's my contention that locals, providing they're not utilizing the ride-support, should be given the benefit of the doubt. I mean, should we *avoid* that route on that day, simply because we haven't signed up with the out-of-town club's organized ride ride on our local roads? Speaking of which, it does seem kinda odd that none of the big organized rides around here (Breathless Agony, Ride Around the Bear, etc.) are put on by locals. Wonder why that is.

What if I didn't even know about the ride, and just happened to be out on Oak Glen Road that day (not entirely unlikely given the time of year and the fact that I ride Oak Glen somewhat frequently during the fall). Would I still be "pirating"?

uhm.... maybe the locals can't handle all the permits...and getting food... etc... one of the WORST run rides i did was the redlands savage hill challenge.... done by the locals.... :rolleyes: i'll take breathless agony and OCW anyday!


are you scamming the route? sure just riding up or down oak glen is one thing... but are your pirating their whole route? that someone took the time to scope out and check construction, etc?

whatever... i'm sick of arguing it... you know it's wrong.... but do what you will......

uhm.... maybe the locals can't handle all the permits...and getting food... etc... one of the WORST run rides i did was the redlands savage hill challenge.... done by the locals.... :rolleyes: i'll take breathless agony and OCW anyday!


are you scamming the route? sure just riding up or down oak glen is one thing... but are your pirating their whole route? that someone took the time to scope out and check construction, etc?

whatever... i'm sick of arguing it... you know it's wrong.... but do what you will......

I didn't do the Savage Hill Challenge. What was so bad about it? (Apart from suffering up Smiley Blvd. that is.) One of my teammates did it. I don't remember her complaining about it, except that she probably shouldn't have done it the day before a NORBA Nat'l.

Just to clarify, as I stated earlier, on the off chance I'm on the road-bike that day I'll most likely be doing the usual Saturday morning group-ride which doesn't normally go anywhere near Oak Glen. I won't be "scamming the route".

As for "scamming the route", there are only a few reasonable options for riding Oak Glen to Redlands and back, the most popular route in that direction may well coincide with the organized ride's route. FWIW, I usually ride it from the Beaumont side, which doesn't sound like it's the same route. Though it very well could be the same route in the opposite direction...

Sorry if I came across as argumentative. I was mostly just posing hypotheticals for the sake of discussion. I haven't done many organized, non-competitive rides, and I was curious what the reaction of riders would be if they encountered locals on the route sans ride numbers.

I knew it might be a hot-button issue for some, but I didn't think I was being particularly confrontational about it...

It is a popular route though, and chances are there will be locals out on the road, who may or may not know about the organized ride, so don't write them all off as "pirates". There will most likely be locals paying to ride it as well. You'll likely see at least a few yellow jerseys with palm trees on them. That's the local recreational riding club. I'm not a member, but I know a few of them, and most of the ones I've met are pretty cool. Pirates and otherwise ;).

So who's planning on doing this ride??

So who's planning on doing this ride??

I just registered!

So who's planning on doing this ride??
I'm considering it if I can just drive there the morning of. (Phew! So many rides...so little time!) :D

I'm considering it if I can just drive there the morning of. (Phew! So many rides...so little time!) :D

no reason you can't drive there the morning of.... we drive to ALL our rides the morning of! (which almost always means getting up in the middle of the night! but hey..... i like organized rides!)

I was emailing back and forth with the organizer last night and he was really nice. This ride is a fundraiser for Paramount Racing Team and they would love to see a good turnout. Registration is capped at 300 riders and he said that they are giving away goodie bags that morning including- water bottle, goo, Power Bar, energy drink.

So come on...go register!! :D

in the past couple of years... this ride (and the spring one) do not sell out! so you are safe waiting til even the day or so before (or that morning).... i wait cuz i check the weather before signing up!

and yes.... the OCW people have always been really nice!

in the past couple of years... this ride (and the spring one) do not sell out! so you are safe waiting til even the day or so before (or that morning).... i wait cuz i check the weather before signing up!
!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...don't tell them that!!! I'm trying to rope people into riding with me and if they sign up now, they have to come! :D