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I understand the need to control the deer population. But I hope they either close the trails &/or post several highly visable signs to warn trail users of the hunters & to advise hunters to be on the look out for potential trail users.
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I think I'd pass up hunting in a city or if I wasn't hunting i'd be sitting in my basement with kevlar on.
For all you know, a bullet could ricochet or go through some trees and hit someone.
I agree with you on warning trail users.
Wow, that seems wildly dangerous.
I think I'd pass up hunting in a city or if I wasn't hunting i'd be sitting in my basement with kevlar on.
For all you know, a bullet could ricochet or go through some trees and hit someone.
I agree with you on warning trail users.
They will be using bows, not shotguns. Hunting with a rifle in Iowa is illegal. As far as I know kevlar will not stop a sharp cutting instrument like the tip of an arrow, especially the types used to kill deer.
I think I'd pass up hunting in a city or if I wasn't hunting i'd be sitting in my basement with kevlar on.
For all you know, a bullet could ricochet or go through some trees and hit someone.
I agree with you on warning trail users.
How far does a bullet go when you shoot it from a bow ?
How does an arrow get to your basement ?
Time to trade the lime vest for the orange one.
I grew up in Iowa and used to run cross country in high school and college. We used to have a race once a year by the river (or one of it's sub rivers, I forget exactly where) at a park on the Iowa side. On the Illinois side, they were hunting. I can't count the number of times runners jumped when we heard gunshots, scared the crap outta us.
I love Iowa, but I think some of the folks in the Davenport/Quad Cities area need a good thunk on the head once in a while.
We're smart enough to stay off Wildlife Management Area trails during hunting season.
Here in Michigan, we have a place called bald mountain park
it allows hunting
I hunt it
I bike it
no problem
just because someone perfers to kill their own prey doesn't mean they are backward yokels
ricocheting bullets *might* be of small concern, but not just random fire
no hunter shoots blindly at nothing, it is a waste of money, bullets aren't free
How far does a bullet go when you shoot it from a bow ?
Well, if I afix it to the tip of one of my arrows in place of my broadhead, assuming it has the same grain as my broadhead, I'd guestimate it'd travel at about 310fps, which is what my Mathews Switchback maxed out for me with it's current draw weight and setup :)
They'll immediately start granting 200 permits for the urban hunt. Any hunter who wants to take part will have to prove they've taken safety training, pass a proficiency test, and they'll be required to stay away from populated areas.--from the article.
If they would do that for motorists.............!
no hunter shoots blindly at nothing, it is a waste of money, bullets aren't free
Unless of course you've got a hidden agenda (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/12/cheney/)
Unless of course you've got a hidden agenda (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/12/cheney/)
true...
...true
Deer hunting with a bow is done from trees. You shoot downward. A missed shot hits the ground. It is very safe...unless you are a deer.
And yes, kevlar will stop an arrow. It stops mine just fine. That is why they make targets out of kevlar or high density foam. In fact, good old bales of straw stop arrows too.
Hunting is far safer than cycling. I wouldn't worry about it at all. If you are riding on a trail close enough to a deer to be shot, you would scare off the deer. You would have to be within 10 or so feet of the deer to be in danger.
Why not try hunting from a tall bike. Or at least wear orange!
Well, if I afix it to the tip of one of my arrows in place of my broadhead, assuming it has the same grain as my broadhead, I'd guestimate it'd travel at about 310fps, which is what my Mathews Switchback maxed out for me with it's current draw weight and setup :)
10 bonus points for a good answer. :)
I believe that puts you in first place !!
10 bonus points for a good answer. :)
I believe that puts you in first place !!
woohooo!!
I'm first! nah nah nah nah nah nah
glad I'm not the only hunter in here
woohooo!!
I'm first! nah nah nah nah nah nah
glad I'm not the only hunter in here
:lol:
Deer hunting with a bow is done from trees. You shoot downward. A missed shot hits the ground.
Funny, the bow hunters on Versus (OLN) are always on the ground shooting. I've seen them lose an arrow and not find where it landed.
It is very safe...unless you are a deer.
I think you may mean it is safe if you are hunting. Is it really safe to be a non-hunter in an area where hunting is taking place? If it is why do: (A) farmers post land where they have cattle, (B) dog owners drape their animals in flourescent jackets, (C) walkers on main roads where bright colors.
The truth is the safest place to be during hunting season is on the butt end of a gun.
And yes, kevlar will stop an arrow. It stops mine just fine. That is why they make targets out of kevlar or high density foam. In fact, good old bales of straw stop arrows too.
I shouldn't have to wear body armour to go biking. and certainly I should be warned if it is recommended that I have such protection.
Hunting is far safer than cycling. I wouldn't worry about it at all. If you are riding on a trail close enough to a deer to be shot, you would scare off the deer. You would have to be within 10 or so feet of the deer to be in danger.
The things I've learned by biking: Never , ever, ever assume that the other person is (A) aware of your presence, (B) competent to handle their equipment, (C) sufficiently trained in safety and emergency procedures, (D) having your saftey first in mind, (E) Willing to stop and help you should their actions cause you harm.
Despite your assurance I want to be further away from a bow hunter than the arrow can travel. I'm just funny that way.
Funny, the bow hunters on Versus (OLN) are always on the ground shooting. I've seen them lose an arrow and not find where it landed.
I haven't seen the program you're referring to but bow hunters usually do set their stands in trees. I would hope the Davenport hunters would be required to for safety's sake. I would also hope the hunters on Versus are hunting private land where they can be sure there is no one else downwind of their arrows.
I think you may mean it is safe if you are hunting. Is it really safe to be a non-hunter in an area where hunting is taking place?
No it isn't, but the article said the hunters can't hunt in populated areas.
If it is why do: (A) farmers post land where they have cattle, (B) dog owners drape their animals in flourescent jackets, (C) walkers on main roads where bright colors.
Paraniod?
(Re:A) If all the cattle ranchers in Texas posted their land there would hardly be any hunting as most all of Texas is private land with cattle on it. Even though we shoot rifles here it's not a problem. Deer don't look anything like cows, and if they happen to be mingling together you simply don't take the shot.
(Re:B) Are you referring to bird hunters? It makes sense to me as the dogs are used to flush the birds. Nobody wants to shoot their dogs accidentally.
(Re:C) I would imagine it would be to be seen by cars. Can't say I've ever seen a hunter on a main road. Not much game there. If you do see hunters on the road or even near it they should be reported.
The truth is the safest place to be during hunting season is on the butt end of a gun.
Actually not. Chances are the hunter is more likely to be injured or killed when a gun malfunctions, falls out of a tree stand, or yes, gets shot by another hunter. Accidents do happen. Hunter safety courses, as is the requirement in Davenport, really do help. Even then, the odds of an accident to either the hunter or non-hunter are very very low. Much much lower than you being injured on your bike. The city wouldn't take the risk otherwise.
I shouldn't have to wear body armour to go biking. and certainly I should be warned if it is recommended that I have such protection.
Jeeze, your imagination is really running wild here.
The things I've learned by biking: Never , ever, ever assume that the other person is (A) aware of your presence, (B) competent to handle their equipment, (C) sufficiently trained in safety and emergency procedures, (D) having your saftey first in mind, (E) Willing to stop and help you should their actions cause you harm.
Despite your assurance I want to be further away from a bow hunter than the arrow can travel. I'm just funny that way.
And I'm sure the hunt will be designed so that the twain shall never meet. Relax. Let the hunters thin the herd before it becomes overpopulated, unhealthy and disease ridden. Then the chances of you hitting a deer on your bike will be reduced. :rolleyes:
They will be using bows, not shotguns. Hunting with a rifle in Iowa is illegal. As far as I know kevlar will not stop a sharp cutting instrument like the tip of an arrow, especially the types used to kill deer.
hrrrm, missed the part about bows...:o
I wouldn't be concerned about it at all. You're at far greater risk on the roads than riding through a park where hunting is happening.
I think there are a lot of people here who have never had any experience with hunting.
Okay, we obviously have some antihunters in the crowd, that's cool, some people are just brought up in other ways.
The points being made here are questionable at best.
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Funny, the bow hunters on Versus (OLN) are always on the ground shooting. I've seen them lose an arrow and not find where it landed. [\quote]
C'mon, do you really think those guys are hunting? I suppose reality TV is real too ;) Those hunts are all but staged on private land. And they shoot from the ground alot because it is more dramatic. Gunfights on TV would totally blow if they didn't add the drama. Arrows are expensive so we hunters take care of them. A good carbon express with mechanical fieldpoint can run you upwards of $20.00 or more per arrow. We don't just throw money away.
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I think you may mean it is safe if you are hunting. Is it really safe to be a non-hunter in an area where hunting is taking place? If it is why do: (A) farmers post land where they have cattle, (B) dog owners drape their animals in flourescent jackets, (C) walkers on main roads where bright colors.
The truth is the safest place to be during hunting season is on the butt end of a gun.
It is moderately safe to be a non-hunter in an area where hunting is taking place. No less safe then most of your normal daily tasks. Farmers post their land because of many reasons. Some are anti-hunting. Some are, like you seem to be, scared of accidental shootings or wot not. I know several landowners who post their land because they are anti-gun-hunting but allow us bowhunters to use the land. And some of the fermers post their land because they have folks who have paid them to allow them private hunting access.
Walkers on main roads wear bright colors because, well, maybe it is the law in those areas, maybe they are ignorant to how safe hunting is, or maybe they don't want to get hit by a car. They should wear those colors always!
I shouldn't have to wear body armour to go biking. and certainly I should be warned if it is recommended that I have such protection.
C'mon now, this is a childish statement. Good for proving your point though, but we both know it is an unfounded statement.
Despite your assurance I want to be further away from a bow hunter than the arrow can travel. I'm just funny that way.
I can understand. I don't come within 50yards of mimes and people with lazy eyes, they scare the hell out of me. Buthunting is actually safe for the people involved, especially with experienced hunters around. But like driving, some people abuse the safety aspect of it. Getting drunk, heading out in the woods to hunt, that IS stupid, but it happens, just like DUIs and the like.
I wouldn't be concerned about it at all. You're at far greater risk on the roads than riding through a park where hunting is happening.
I think there are a lot of people here who have never had any experience with hunting.I have plenty of experience with hunting.
For that reason when I used to live near public lands where hunting was permitted each year, I had a small cow bell I wired to the rails on the bottom of my seat. It felt dumb the first ride or two sounding like Bessie. But, as I said, I knew many of the yahoos out hunting.
I wonder what that town is doing to increase it's deer population... The Mayor said the deer herd is doubling every two years. My understanding is that 25% is the brith rate. So they must be bussing in deers, too.
I can understand. I don't come within 50yards of mimes and people with lazy eyes, they scare the hell out of me. Buthunting is actually safe for the people involved, especially with experienced hunters around. But like driving, some people abuse the safety aspect of it. Getting drunk, heading out in the woods to hunt, that IS stupid, but it happens, just like DUIs and the like.Funny and well said, but tell the truth, if a suburban center which normally had no hunting, all of a sudden opened up its lands to hunting -- would you take your favorite dog and go walking those woods? Of course not.
A question for crosseyed cricket. Or anyone who really knows.
If you are standing on the ground with a very powerfull bow and fire it at a deer on the ground, say roughly parralel to the ground how far does the arrow go? It can't be very far? Tree hunting is nothing like that but, just wondering? It's not too hard to be out of bow hunting range. How far is a typically tree stand shot, best case, best equipment?
Does everyone else know that the link is reffering to bow hunting, not shooting?
So, what kind of strange cities do you have over there that are not populated?
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Funny and well said, but tell the truth, if a suburban center which normally had no hunting, all of a sudden opened up its lands to hunting -- would you take your favorite dog and go walking those woods? Of course not.
Yes, I actually would, if walking my dog was something I enjoyed doing, and if I wasn't already out here on the hunt myself. We hunters aren't dumb, ignorant, or unintelligent... well, not ALL of us :) And I'm not saying you believe we are. Hunting near a hiking path or bike trail is fruitless. A deer has a sniffer on it better than your dog, several hundred fold what a humans is. They can smell the leather on your shoes hours after you have walked by. Even though they get used to the scent, they avoid it. We hunters know this, so we are nowhere near the trails. We are in the thick of things. In the early morning and the evening is when you bow hunt. When the deer are moving. During the day they are bedded down, mostly. And the woods are usually quite empty in those time. Anyhow, I'm getting too far off point. The fact is that Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than the 375,000 bow hunters in the state of Michigan, and I like those odds.
I'm not trying to convert anyone here, just putting my POV out there. We don't shoot at sounds, we only shoot at our target.
A question for crosseyed cricket. Or anyone who really knows.
If you are standing on the ground with a very powerfull bow and fire it at a deer on the ground, say roughly parralel to the ground how far does the arrow go? It can't be very far? Tree hunting is nothing like that but, just wondering? It's not too hard to be out of bow hunting range. How far is a typically tree stand shot, best case, best equipment?
Does everyone else know that the link is reffering to bow hunting, not shooting?
I'll answer this one. If I were to take my bow, which is rather high end, using a carbon arrow and aiming somewhat up in the air, maybe 30degrees from the ground, I'd guess it'd go several hundred yards, 350 - 400... maybe, I'm just guessing there. With an arrow it is not speed that is the factor, but rather velocity. But the fact you have to consider here, is that even standing flat footed on the ground, you re still aiming at a downward angle. The heart and lungs of a deer are located just behind it's shoulder, between 30 and 40 inches from the ground (I'm being generous there) and a person holding a bow would have it at the height of about 50 to 60 inches. So the hunter would be aiming at a downward angle.
I'll answer this one. If I were to take my bow, which is rather high end, using a carbon arrow and aiming somewhat up in the air, maybe 30degrees from the ground, I'd guess it'd go several hundred yards, 350 - 400... maybe, I'm just guessing there. With an arrow it is not speed that is the factor, but rather velocity. But the fact you have to consider here, is that even standing flat footed on the ground, you re still aiming at a downward angle. The heart and lungs of a deer are located just behind it's shoulder, between 30 and 40 inches from the ground (I'm being generous there) and a person holding a bow would have it at the height of about 50 to 60 inches. So the hunter would be aiming at a downward angle.
Assuming someone might release early aiming up in the air, 400 yards might be possible (the high number). That's somewhere near 1200 feet. Over 1/5 of a mile say, in ideal circumstances.
This is my point............ If there is bow hunting in the area If you are 1/2 mile away you should be pretty safe. Not that far away is out of range.`
BTW I ridden my bike over Ted Kennedys bridge. :)
Assuming someone might release early aiming up in the air, 400 yards might be possible (the high number). That's somewhere near 1200 feet. Over 1/5 of a mile say, in ideal circumstances.
This is my point............ If there is bow hunting in the area If you are 1/2 mile away you should be pretty safe. Not that far away is out of range.`
BTW I ridden my bike over Ted Kennedys bridge. :)
But...
When you draw a bow you do not point it into the air to draw it, that is a Hollywood act for a more dramatic effect. Most people point theirs down and some hold it in align with their target. Pointing a bow upward likely causes your arrow to fall off the arrow rest, so then you'd be left with a drawn bow and a dangling arrow.
And I ment Ted Kennedy's car, not the bridge. My point was that not a single person in the state of Michigan has been killed by a bow hunter (accidentally) whereas Ted Kennedy killed someone with his car not too long ago.
I just want to thank all that have replied to this thread for keeping their cool and discussing the topic rationally. And apparently the residents of Davenport are accepting the need for the deer herd to be thinned in the most rational method, as there were no negative comments made at the city council meeting proposing the hunt.
Many communities have tried to thin problematic deer herds through other methods such as relocation and birth control. These have proven expensive and less than 'fruitfull'. At least this way mouths will be fed from the harvest.
To the person that referred to some of the posters in this thread as 'anti-hunters', I don't think we've seen any true anti-hunters in this thread, only hunters and non-humters. There is a difference and suprisingly even the anti-hunters in Davenport seem to be accepting the need for the hunt. (hope I didn't speak too soon on that one).
I just hope that all continues to go well in Davenport and other like cummunities and that all that share the land have a safe and happy Fall season.
So, what kind of strange cities do you have over there that are not populated?
This kind. I live in town. 85 miles south of Davenport.Pictures taken from my living room window. I've seen as many as nine deer at a time grazing in my backyard. When they aren't eating the flowers they eat at the bird feeders.
I just want to thank all that have replied to this thread for keeping their cool and discussing the topic rationally. And apparently the residents of Davenport are accepting the need for the deer heard to be thinned in the most rational method, as there were no negative comments made at the city council meeting proposing the hunt.
Many communities have tried to thin problematic deer herds through other methods such as relocation and birth control. These have proven expensive and less than 'fruitfull'. At least this way mouths will be fed from the harvest.
To the person that referred to some of the posters in this thread as 'anti-hunters', I don't think we've seen any true anti-hunters in this thread, only hunters and non-humters. There is a difference and suprisingly even the anti-hunters in Davenport seem to be accepting the need for the hunt. (hope I didn't speak too soon on that one).
I just hope that all continues to go well in Davenport and other like cummunities and that all that share the land have a safe and happy Fall season.
Hey, even I can be civil from time to time, especially when I'm not on the fire water ;)
I was the one who made the anti-hunter comment, but in retrospect I do realize that I jumped the gun on that one.
Hunting is my one personal joy in life that has been with me ALL of my life and I take it seriously. My wife still doesn't "get it". I'll come home from a hunt, she'll ask how did it go, I'll reply that it went great, awesome, etc then she'll ask if I got anything and I'll say no. She doesn't understand that the actual kill is a minor part of hunting for me. It's being out, away from the city rat race I live in now (I grew up in eastern Kentucky), and having time to think and reflect. But a 200lb 10 pointer sure would top the day off :)
Funny, the bow hunters on Versus (OLN) are always on the ground shooting. I've seen them lose an arrow and not find where it landed.
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That settles THAT then, what an iron clad theory you have.
woohooo!!
I'm first! nah nah nah nah nah nah
glad I'm not the only hunter in here
Not the only one with a Switchback, either.;)
Dianne, keep the "lime", it's easier to see.
This has been done in other areas, and the hunters picked are not your average hunter. Some cities even hire professionals that use .22 caliber rifles and take head shots at night. Crews then butcher the deer and the meat is used to feed the hungry.
I hunt from the ground, and would not take a shot where there is anything within 100 yards or so behind my line of fire. From a treestand, the arrow goes right into the ground. These hunts usually require treestands to be used. The hunters talk to homeowners about deer patterns and try to set up where shots will be within 20-30 yards from the base of the tree. Outlying parts of the city are where this takes place.
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