Advocacy & Safety - CRASH SURVEY! Describe your BIKE-CAR crash(es)!

Please copy/paste these questions and answer them!

Severity scale:

0: no injury to cyclist nor damage to bike
1: slight injury or damage
2: very low injury or damage
3: low injury or damage
4: Plenty of pain and injury, but nothing really debilitating
5: serious scrapes, bruises, but no visit to hospital
6: brief visit to hospital, nothing broken
7: something broken
8: serious injury, in hospital
9: critical condition in hospital
10: death

Bike-car collision types:
http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/traffic/accident.htm

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How many bike-car crashes have you been in?

FOR EACH BIKE-CAR CRASH YOU HAVE BEEN IN, please copy/paste/fillout the following section:

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Severity:
Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com):
Intersection type (choose one from below):

major (traffic signals)
medium (two streets, but no traffic signals)
minor (street with alley or driveway, path with street, etc.)
No (midblock)

Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane):
Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane):
stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road?
Direction cyclist traveling:
Direction motorist traveling:
Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder):
Lane motorist was in:
Motorist's vehicle description:
Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.)
City, State:
Approximate date of crash:
Approximate time of crash:
Light/weather conditions:
Cyclist wearing helmet?:
Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on):
Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy):
Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid?


Please describe the crash in detail, and include any other pertinent information:

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You're kidding right?

"10: death"

How does someone post for this? ;)

No, seriously, I need to know..... :roflmao:

It's the month of Halloween... you never know...

Seriously, that just means that 9 is "almost died".

10 for me you know the afterlife is awesome! no cars and never ending trails with 72 virgins along the way. sure it makes it tough to complete a ride but the hummus is really good!

You're kidding right?
Based on his posting history, this actually ranks as one of his more reasonable threads.

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How many bike-car crashes have you been in?

Two

FOR EACH BIKE-CAR CRASH YOU HAVE BEEN IN, please copy/paste/fillout the following section:

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Severity:0: no injury to cyclist nor damage to bike; 0: no injury to cyclist nor damage to bike
Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com):Type 2; Type 3
Intersection type (choose one from below):major (traffic signals); No (midblock)
Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane):Six (2 each way, 2 parking); Five (three northbound, two parking)
Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): As above in both cases.
stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? No, in neither case was there a bike lane.
Direction cyclist traveling: Northbound; northbound.
Direction motorist traveling: Southbound; northbound.
Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder): Rightmost northbound lane; leftmost northbound lane.
Lane motorist was in: Rightmost southbound lane; center northbound lane.
Motorist's vehicle description: Blue sedan; white sedan.
Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.) Center of lane, over oil stripe; center of lane, over oil stripe.
City, State: Brooklyn, New York; New York, New York.
Approximate date of crash: August, 05; March, 04.
Approximate time of crash: 11am, 4pm.
Light/weather conditions: Clear, bright; clear, bright.
Cyclist wearing helmet?: Yes; yes.
Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): Equipped but unused actively (daylight); equipped but unused actively (daylight).
Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): Light; heavy
Police involved? No; no.
Fault determined/assigned? Yes; yes.
Damages paid? In a manner of speaking; in a manner of speaking.


Please describe the crash in detail, and include any other pertinent information:
1) Northbound on Flatbush Avenue near 7th Avenue in rightmost lane. Southbound motorist attempts left turn, cutting me off. Braked hard, turned left sharply, collided while our trajectories were nearly parallel. Spent a few rewarding minutes yelling at him & beating the side & hood of his car with bicycle. Adreneline subsided, felt vaguely ashamed as motorist drove away with look of shock and horror. Realigned bars and proceeded with rest of commute.

2) Northbound in leftmost lane on Lafayette street, just south of intersection where BL begins, in center lane position, motorist in slightly ahead of me (my front wheel was about where his rear bumper was) in center lane pulls half into left lane, flings open door as if pursued by bees. I steered left and braked, clipped his window frame with my right shoulder. Motorist's motives remain a mystery, as my enraged and repeated inquiries regarding his parentage, his family's traditions regarding maternal mating habits and his and his female companion's personal and aesthetic characteristics were met first by silence and then by apologies. Homeless man entered argument, in my support. Knowing little else would be accomplished, I proceeded northwards, leaving my advocate to continue the argument on my behalf.

Based on his posting history, this actually ranks as one of his more reasonable threads.

Well, it might be reasonable if someone else posted it. But the fact that HH posted, and will be analyzing the results will muddy the responses.

Been there - done that.

jw

I have never been in a bike-car crash either as the cyclist or the motorist. I've been in the bike lane, on the shoulder, in the right-most portion of the road, otherwise adequately destination-positioned, or on the bike path each time (as the cyclist of course).

Make sure you include my statistic in your "study".

I wasnt going to particepate in this survey because I have never personaly had a bike vs car crash.
But after reading the severity level 10, I got to wondering if maybe I had been killed in a bike car crash and just didnt realise it.

Is there some way I can check on this and find out?

Do you ever have the haunting feeling that you've died and gone to hell? :D

I'll be nice and play
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1:
Severity: 5
Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com): Suburban going wrong way on a one way street with a blind corner
Intersection type (choose one from below):
No (midblock)
Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): 1
Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): N/A
stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? No
Direction cyclist traveling: Uhm, downhill (going teh right way)
Direction motorist traveling: Uphill (wrong way)
Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder): only lane
Lane motorist was in: only lane
Motorist's vehicle description: White Chevy Suburban with the biggest grill ever when i saw it
Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.) Middle
City, State: Somewhere on teh CA coast
Approximate date of crash: fark if I remember
Approximate time of crash: hahaha, afternoonish
Light/weather conditions: good light, decent weater
Cyclist wearing helmet?: Yes
Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): N/A
Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): none (except that tard)
Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? No police
Summary: ******* suburban driver went the wrong way up a one way, one lane street. Rounded a corner at 25 and saw that farker and jumped. No contact human to car, but my bike farked his car up. Free new bike for me.

2nd
Severity: 3
Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com): clipped overtaking
Intersection type (choose one from below):
No (midblock)
Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): 2
Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): same
stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? no
Direction cyclist traveling: eastish
Direction motorist traveling: eastish
Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder): 2 (furthist right)
Lane motorist was in: 2
Motorist's vehicle description: Nasty pickup
Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.) few feet off the fog line
City, State: Near Loup Loup Pass, WA
Approximate date of crash: Memorial day weekend 06
Approximate time of crash: noon
Light/weather conditions: cloudy
Cyclist wearing helmet?: yes
Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): lotta relfective stuff and rear light
Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): light
Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? no
While i was on tour this summer, some jerk clipped me and sent me off teh side of the road down the embankment. Cut my leg up on the rocks. Hit and run.

Do you ever have the haunting feeling that you've died and gone to hell?

Only when I read certain threads.

I would recommend that anyone with ongoing issues from a crash not post anything about it on an open forum.

Only when I read certain threads.

I would recommend that anyone with ongoing issues from a crash not post anything about it on an open forum.
Me too. Just now I seriously felt my face burning. OWWWWW...

Only 1 car bike crash.

Got into a verbal argument with an idiot in a car who was 2 feet from my rear wheel, laying on the horn for about half a block, even though there were two lanes to his left he could have used to get around me and it was a sunday morning with very little traffic.

As he passed me on the right, he tried to squeeze me into a van that had gotten in the lane to my left. I kicked his car, he slammed on the brakes, got in back of me. At this point I knew he was gong to run me down, so I accelerated as hard as I could and went left as fast as I could. I almost got away, but he hit me just as I made it to the left most lane of three lanes. Hospital, stitches.

Cops wouldn't charge him, state attorney said it was my fault for provoking him.

incident A) SUV, 3 days hospital stay, 3 pins in hip, 30 thousand dollars.

incident B) 1 taxi driver on cell phone, one quarter panel, one month on crutches.

incident C) icy road, hill, car, bike.

yep. maybe some more, can't remember.

Severity:5/6 serious scrapes, bruises, brief visit to hospital, nothing broken
Type of collision (right hook/overtaking)
Intersection type: No (midblock)
Cyclist's street, number of lanes = 2, Motorist's street, number of lanes = 2
stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? No, row of parked cars on shoulder
Direction cyclist traveling: West
Direction motorist traveling: West
Lane cyclist was in #2 (leftmost is #1 lane, rightmost is #2) on one way street
Lane motorist was in: #1 on one way street
Motorist's vehicle description: 2002 Dodge mini van
Where in lane was cyclist traveling? center of #2)
City, State: Olympia, WA
Approximate date of crash: May 2005
Approximate time of crash: 3:00 PM
Light/weather conditions: Sunny & Clear
Cyclist wearing helmet? Yes
Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): Bike had reflectors but it was daylight N/A
Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): Light
Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? No, Yes, No, but hospital cost was paid.

Description: I was in middle of RH lane, Minivan overtook in LH lane then attempted to turn right into a business lot across my path trapping me between her van & a parked car. Back of my right hand struck mirror on parked car while my left bar end struck along right rear quarter panel of van, denting panel & bending my bar & brake lever. Contusion on my hand & wrist but nothing broken. Driver stated she never saw me! Don

1. Severity: 6
2. Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com): rear end part 2
3. Intersection type (choose one from below):
4. No (midblock)
4. Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): 4 lane highway
5. Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): above
6. stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? yes
7. Direction cyclist traveling: north
8. Direction motorist traveling: north
9. Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder): #1
10. Lane motorist was in: #1
11. Motorist's vehicle description: didn't see it
12. Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.): approaching my turn left, was in left lane, nearest to the solid white line on the left side
13. City, State: Maryville, TN
14. Approximate date of crash: 9/24/05
15. Approximate time of crash: 12:00am
16. Light/weather conditions: clear and dark
17. Cyclist wearing helmet?: yes
18. Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): 2 rear lights one solid one blinking, reflective timbuk2 bag
19. Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): none
20. Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? police involved, motorist never found, homeowners gave me some money, health insurance covered most of the hospital bills

Description: I was riding home late at night on a Friday. I got to the far left like I had done everyother night to make a left hand turn to go to my apt. I totally didn't think that anyone would be drinking(I'm assuming the driver was drunk since he tried to stop, but kept going after the collision). Driver attempted to stop, I heard my wheel crunch, and then woke up on the side of the road. A girl(my age) stopped to see what happend, she was more hysterical than me. She asked if I was ok, I asked her if I was dreaming, then I asked if she hit me. I looked at my feet, wiggled them, said I was ok and stood up. Called my mom, had the girl call the police, then called my roomates. Police came, did a report, said the driver left 100ft skid marks(I probably left 20 ft :D ) which meant he was probably going 60mph(it's a highway so I'm not surprised). Roomates took me to the hospital, x-rays etc, nothing permanent, just road rash etc. Rear wheel was totaled, and rear triangle was bent enough that it was not repairable.
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http://www2.msstate.edu/~srh96/09-26-05_1751.jpg
http://www2.msstate.edu/~srh96/09-24-05_0145.jpg
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After you my friend.

Please describe the crash in detail, and include any other pertinent information:


Where will the survey results be used?

Are you interested in near misses, or only actual collisions? In the past 4 years that I've commuted regularly (plus around campus during college 20 years ago, and off and on before and after that), I've had one near miss and no actual collisions. I can tell you about the near miss if you'd like.

My bike was run over by a luggage car at the airport but I wasn't on it. Luggage car took sharp right turn followed by a sharp left turn. The bike slid off the middle trailer of 5 and was then run over by the last trailer. All while I watched in horror from the Gate. Damage = total.

Are you interested in near misses, or only actual collisions? In the past 4 years that I've commuted regularly (plus around campus during college 20 years ago, and off and on before and after that), I've had one near miss and no actual collisions. I can tell you about the near miss if you'd like.
Sure.

Where will the survey results be used?
Anywhere anyone wants.
I have no plans.
How it may be used mostly depends on what gets submitted.

How many bike-car crashes have you been in?
1 near miss


Severity:
1: slight injury or damage


Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com):
Not listed on bicyclesafe.com.

According to Kifer page: Group IIC -- Cyclist Turning (left turn in front of oncoming). That makes it sound like it was my fault, but see mitigating circumstances in description below.


Intersection type (choose one from below):
major (traffic signals)


Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane):
2


Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane):
2


stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road?
No


Direction cyclist traveling:
North


Direction motorist traveling:
South


Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder):
1


Lane motorist was in:
2


Motorist's vehicle description:
White van


Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.)
Center of my lane, beginning to turn left


City, State:
South Portland, Maine


Approximate date of crash:
July 2002


Approximate time of crash:
Noon


Light/weather conditions:
Daylight, sunny


Cyclist wearing helmet?:
No


Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on):
N/A


Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy):
light (but heavy on cross-street)


Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid?
Near miss, so N/A


Please describe the crash in detail, and include any other pertinent information:

Here is the intersection: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=South+Portland,+ME&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=43.628752,-70.343839&spn=0.000879,0.002403&t=h&om=1 I was approaching from the south, the minor road with the median, positioned in the middle of the left-hand lane in order to turn left. (If you zoom out enough to see street names, it is Southborough Drive.) I can't remember if I had a green arrow or just a standard light.

Across the intersection was a parking lot with cars coming out, all (that I could see) turning left from their left-hand lane, which was also the straight-through lane. Since we were all turning left, our paths would not intersect and so we all proceeded into the intersection to make our turns. Suddenly, a white van pulled out from behind the line of left-turning cars opposing me and proceeded to speed straight through the intersection from the right-turn only lane, into my path. I made an emergency stop and went over the handlebars, landing on my right side. Fortunately, the van missed both me and my bike, and I immediately got up and walked the bike the rest of the way across, to a grassy area off-road. The van did not stop, although numerous other motorists did slow to see if I was okay, and one did stop to ask.

I have to think that had a collision happened, it would have been legally his fault for going straight through from the wrong lane and entering the intersection before it was clear. (Would his being in the wrong lane have cancelled out the right of way he would had had, had he been in the correct lane? I don't know.) However, my lessons learned included wearing a helmet (I wasn't at the time, since I was "only going out for lunch"), and being more vigilant for dangerous situations developing, including those that put me in danger through no fault of my own.

1. Severity: 6
2. Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com): Left hook
3. Intersection type (choose one from below): medium
4. Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): 2
5. Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): 2
6. stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? no
7. Direction cyclist traveling: South
8. Direction motorist traveling: North
9. Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder): #1
10. Lane motorist was in: #1
11. Motorist's vehicle description: Sedan, never got a good look at it
12. Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.) between the car tire tracks, but closer to the right
13. City, State: Madison, WI
14. Approximate date of crash: 1/6/06
15. Approximate time of crash: 5:30 PM
16. Light/weather conditions: Cold, clear, completely dark
17. Cyclist wearing helmet?: Yes
18. Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): 12W halogen and red LED blinker
19. Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): 25mph, moderate to heavy traffic volume
20. Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? Yes. All fault to driver. All damages paid by driver's insurance.

http://www.tomtheisen.com/images/P1120802-640.jpg

Situation 1

1. Severity: 2
2. Type of collision: left hook
3. Intersection type (choose one from below):
a. medium (two streets, only stop signs)
4. Cyclist's street, number of lanes 2 (residential)
5. Motorist's street, number of lanes 2 (residential)
6. stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? no
7. Direction cyclist traveling: east
8. Direction motorist traveling: west
9. Lane cyclist was in: centered in my only lane
10. Lane motorist was in: centered in his only lane
11. Motorist's vehicle description: small car… don’t remember exact detail
12. Where in lane was cyclist traveling: centerish in narrow residential street
13. City, State: San Diego CA
14. Approximate date of crash: spring 1976
15. Approximate time of crash: 4 PM
16. Light/weather conditions: clear weather, good afternoon light
17. Cyclist wearing helmet?: No
18. Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): NA
19. Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): No other traffic
20. Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? NO.

Description. Cyclist and motorist stopped at their respective stop signs on quiet residential street, both left stop sign at about the same time. Motorist turned left (without signal) into cyclist, hitting cyclist in left seat stay and damaging bike. Cyclist suffered only bruises. Don’t recall if any payment was made. Believe this was at 29th and Landis… but it has been a long long time ago.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=32.745206,-117.13004&spn=0.00592,0.008808&om=1


Situation 2

1. Severity: 2
2. Type of collision: classic right hook
3. Intersection type (choose one from below):
a. Medium: major street, at shopping center driveway
4. Cyclist's street, number of lanes 4
5. Motorist's street, number of lanes 4
6. stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? A demarcated “parking area” much like a bike lane.
7. Direction cyclist traveling: northeast
8. Direction motorist traveling: northeast
9. Lane cyclist was in: right most lane close to curb
10. Lane motorist was in: right most lane
11. Motorist's vehicle description: Don’t remember
12. Where in lane was cyclist traveling: just to the right of the right lane…
13. City, State: San Diego CA
14. Approximate date of crash: spring 1978
15. Approximate time of crash: late afternoon/evening
16. Light/weather conditions: clear weather, evening light
17. Cyclist wearing helmet?: No
18. Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): NA
19. Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): moderate commuting traffic
20. Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? no

Was in a demarcated area similar to a bike lane, but it was in fact a parking lane. Was overtaken by a motorist and then right hooked. This was near Waring road. I suffered no more than bruises.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=san+diego&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=32.791408,-117.081497&spn=0.001479,0.003076&t=k&om=1

Situation 3

1. Severity: 6
2. Type of collision: Motorist failed to yield ROW at a stop sign
3. Intersection type (choose one from below):
a. major (traffic sign) Major street with minor street
4. Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): 4
5. Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): 2
6. stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? no
7. Direction cyclist traveling: east
8. Direction motorist traveling: north
9. Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder): #2
10. Lane motorist was in: the only lane available
11. Motorist's vehicle description: sedan
12. Where in lane was cyclist traveling: right tire track/centerish
13. City, State: La Mesa
14. Approximate date of crash: summer 1982
15. Approximate time of crash: 4 PM
16. Light/weather conditions: good clear weather, good light… not evening or twilight
17. Cyclist wearing helmet?: No
18. Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): NA
19. Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): moderate… approaching rush hour, but not quite at rush hour conditions.
20. Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? Yes, Yes, Yes.

El Cajon Blvd east bound at Jessie Ave. I was moving pretty fast… at about 22MPH, in or very near the center of the right most lane, heading east. Motorist was stopped at a stop sign. I was on the major street and just crossing the minor street… as I rolled across the small residential street of the usual width (what 28 feet total?) The motorist left the stop to go north. I plowed into the left front fender of the sedan at full speed… not being able to react in the 14 feet or so distance I had to react. I went over the handlebars and was laid out on the vehicle. Police and ambulance responded and took me, unconscious, to Grossmont hospital. Police accompanied me and took details in the hospital after I regained consciousness. Police were very curious about my speed, and informed me that I “took out” the front left fender of the vehicle. Bike was totaled… forks, front wheel, handlebar, and front half of the frame were bent beyond repair. Made claim to Fireman’s Fund (ins co of motorist) and they were “astounded that anyone would ride a $900 bicycle… “ they wanted salvage rights. I was treated for facial injuries, held for observation, and later treated for back injuries and plastic surgery to repair facial laceration scaring. Treatment took about 6 months. (chiropractic)

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=19&ll=32.768543,-117.037394&spn=0.00148,0.002202&t=k

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Do we want to cover "near misses," "ahole aggressive drivers," objects thrown at cyclist?" At the time of all the above accidents, I did not own a car and cycling was my only means of transportation.

Based on his posting history, this actually ranks as one of his more reasonable threads.

That made me laugh. Best post I have read in months.

Interesting topic HH, though a little grizzly. Count me as zero car-related crashes -- my scars are my own fault -- mostly off-road.

From what I've read -- admittedly I sort of breezed through most of the details and read the descriptions -- sounds like the trouble starts when cars make turns. Makes me think that we'd be safer on the freeways!

Cheers to everyone who has recovered and gotten back on the horse.

From what I've read -- admittedly I sort of breezed through most of the details and read the descriptions -- sounds like the trouble starts when cars make turns. Makes me think that we'd be safer on the freeways!

"Safer" yet if riding the wrong way in the left lane on the freeways at midnight:rolleyes: ; no reports anywhere of a cyclist suffering even a scratch under such "safe" conditions.

Anywhere anyone wants.
I have no plans.
How it may be used mostly depends on what gets submitted.


ok, i'll take the bait...
isn't it rather unscientific to simply gather data and decide after the fact what you're going to use it for?
i guess that the point isn't integrity of data, simply info gathering?

10 for me you know the afterlife is awesome! no cars and never ending trails with 72 virgins along the way. sure it makes it tough to complete a ride but the hummus is really good!

72!! I was only offered 40 which I turned down, not being a pedophile

ok, i'll take the bait...
isn't it rather unscientific to simply gather data and decide after the fact what you're going to use it for?
i guess that the point isn't integrity of data, simply info gathering?
Might also be called trolling for more fodder for more bike lane hysterics.

ok, i'll take the bait...
isn't it rather unscientific to simply gather data and decide after the fact what you're going to use it for?
i guess that the point isn't integrity of data, simply info gathering?
It's like studying ice cores... we'll wait to see what the data tells us before we decide what it tells us.

Might also be called trolling for more fodder for more bike lane hysterics.

Maybe, but in my case, no bike lanes were involved. They were pretty rare back then.

Never had a crash with a car, so I can't fill out the survey....

Maybe, but in my case, no bike lanes were involved.
Since when is that a restraint on the anti-bike lane hysterics?

Riding without lights at night going downhill ran into a park car in the bike lane, bang, 21 stitches later and a totaled out bike.