Foo - anyone upgraded to 7

i upgraded to explorer 7 and i cant see improvments yet,
it is slower and some web pages dont work well with it or like they should, even this one is slow with it
aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggghhhhh

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IE sucks. Firefox rules!

Firefox sucks. IE rules!

not really...I don't know, I use IE and it works perfectly fine for me.

Oh, well if mere FUNCTIONALITY is your test ... fine. No points for style, though.

the style is ok but it does not work. i downloaded firefox last week, ie7 did not work with my wifes internet classes havent used firefox enough to decide will try though

the style is ok but it does not work. i downloaded firefox last week, ie7 did not work with my wifes internet classes havent used firefox enough to decide will try though
IE7 uses firefox's tabbed browsing and features, but does it with bloat! You will have to DL some plugins for video, like QT!

Whether you like IE or not, I don't know of any other browser you can remotely manage, configure, lock down and update by the tens of thousands without putting down your coffeecup :) Where's FireFox's manageability capabilities?

*crickets*

I gave a Mozilla dev some pointed suggestions on what they should do if they want to actually compete seriously on manageability, but I haven't seen anything happening. I guess they're content with what they've got.

Whether you like IE or not, I don't know of any other browser you can remotely manage, configure, lock down and update by the tens of thousands without putting down your coffeecup :) Where's FireFox's manageability capabilities?

*crickets*

I gave a Mozilla dev some pointed suggestions on what they should do if they want to actually compete seriously on manageability, but I haven't seen anything happening. I guess they're content with what they've got.
I'm willing to trade off a little bit of babysitting digitally for better security. Even when I used IE, I disabled active-X so that's no loss to me! A little tweak here, a config there and a little custom code over there and I have a custom browser for my 'puter!:D Very functional and anonymous......wipes my tracks behind me!

Oh yes, it's a hell of a lot faster than Internet Exploder too!

Oh yes, it's a hell of a lot faster than Internet Exploder too!

And Opera is faster than firefox.

I'm willing to trade off a little bit of babysitting digitally for better security. Even when I used IE, I disabled active-X so that's no loss to me! A little tweak here, a config there and a little custom code over there and I have a custom browser for my 'puter!:D Very functional and anonymous......wipes my tracks behind me!Are you aware of FireFox's security-vulnerability history? It's far from perfect too. If you really want better security, I suggest using a Limited user account for daily-driver stuff like web browsing (with any Web browsers), email (with any email clients), and IM (with any IM clients). Here's my info on that: http://www.mechbgon.com/build/Limited.html This is a foundational pillar for good security, and will do far more for your overall security level than using Web browser A versus Web browser B.

In practical terms, to switch to a Limited account, first create a new Computer Administrator account, named Admin or something, and ensure that you can log in with it. Then switch your regular, established user account from Computer Administrator to Limited.

If you'd like to run stuff as an Admin from within your Limited account, just give your Admin account a password, and then you can right-click stuff and choose Run As... and give the username/password for your Admin account. This overcomes problems with some stupidly-written software such as QuickBooks and some games that freak out when OMG NOES, they cannot have Admin powers.

Another security tip: fully enable Data Execution Prevention as shown in this pic (http://www.mechbgon.com/build/DEP.gif).


Oh yes, it's a hell of a lot faster than Internet Exploder too!My finding where I used to work was that FireFox was extremely slow to launch compared to IE. Our very powerful antivirus software (VirusScan Enterprise 8.0i) can take some of the blame for that, however.

They ALL suck!!

Never tried a browser that didn't crash on me faaaar more often than I'd like.

I've used IE, FF and Opera and all have crashed faaaar too much.

I have a friend who can help you guys.
http://62.99.219.54/tux-wesuckmore.jpg

Then use firefox, Konqueror, or Sea monkey. Either is great, but I prefer Firefox.

- thanks to open source developers there's a choice of browsers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers), something that you wouldn't have if the evil minions producing Software from Satan™ had their way...

- interesting that the Death Star from Redmond discontinued (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_Mac) any further development of its Mosaic-ripoff browser for OS X...

- fortunately, even those folks locked into using a proprietary platform and unable to escape the limitations of base software can turn to open alternatives (http://www.distrowatch.com)...

Ha Ha I was at a conference two weeks ago where the lead developer of IE7 gave a key note speech. He sure made it sound like it was great :)

I have a feeling I am going to be in for some major pains in the ass with this new 'improvement'.

IE 7 plus - it's closer to CSS support than IE6

IE7 negative - bloated, as usual, in an attempt to make it attractive to the least common denominator.

I 'have' to use IE for testing, but for my own browsing, I use Firefox.

I have seen some problems with java using IE7. I do like the multipane view which Firefox does not have. They both have tabs which are great. IE7 has better options and I really like the way it displays all url's even in pop up windows.

Are you aware of FireFox's security-vulnerability history? It's far from perfect too. If you really want better security, I suggest using a Limited user account for daily-driver stuff like web browsing (with any Web browsers), email (with any email clients), and IM (with any IM clients). Here's my info on that: http://www.mechbgon.com/build/Limited.html This is a foundational pillar for good security, and will do far more for your overall security level than using Web browser A versus Web browser B.

In practical terms, to switch to a Limited account, first create a new Computer Administrator account, named Admin or something, and ensure that you can log in with it. Then switch your regular, established user account from Computer Administrator to Limited.

If you'd like to run stuff as an Admin from within your Limited account, just give your Admin account a password, and then you can right-click stuff and choose Run As... and give the username/password for your Admin account. This overcomes problems with some stupidly-written software such as QuickBooks and some games that freak out when OMG NOES, they cannot have Admin powers.

Another security tip: fully enable Data Execution Prevention as shown in this pic (http://www.mechbgon.com/build/DEP.gif).

My finding where I used to work was that FireFox was extremely slow to launch compared to IE. Our very powerful antivirus software (VirusScan Enterprise 8.0i) can take some of the blame for that, however.
As I said, a little tweak here, a little custom code there....security issues taken care of! I can't install custom code on IE due to proprietary code vs Open Source.

I can't install custom code on IE due to proprietary code vs Open Source.

Yes you can...ya just crack it!

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

I only ever use opera.

I hate opera. If I have to watch overweight people all dressed up in loony costumes and screeching about everything, how 'bout doing it in English so I can understand. :rolleyes:

c'mon guys - get a life. Nothing's going to be perfect. Sometimes good enough is good enough.

c'mon guys - get a life. Nothing's going to be perfect. Sometimes good enough is good enough.

But what if it isn't good enough? Huh? That's right, sometimes good isn't good enough, then what are ya supposed to do? Should I settle for a Wally World bike cuz it's good enough? Should I settle for 300 watts when only dialing up to 400 is good enough? Should I have just accepted your post as good enough and not opened my fat mouth?

Real men don't use web browsers. When I want a document from a remote server, I walk there and get it myself.

Yeah, that's right.

Real men don't use web browsers. When I want a document from a remote server, I walk there and get it myself.

Yeah, that's right.
That's true, we could go back to the days of Rockwell modems and FTP servers only!

I still use lynx some times :)

I still use lynx some times :)

- or elinks!

- try doing this (simple example) with Internet Exploder:

elinks -dump \
ftp://weather.noaa.gov/data/forecasts/city/fl/tampa.txt |\
sed 's/\./ /g' > /tmp/wx.txt ; cat /tmp/wx.txt | festival --tts

(hint: a talking current weather report for my area)

As I said, a little tweak here, a little custom code there....security issues taken care of! I can't install custom code on IE due to proprietary code vs Open Source.Do you actually have the skills to recode a Web browser to eliminate a vulnerability? Do you actually do so? If so, congratulations :) but it'll still be safer if you also don't run it with Admin/root privilege level.

i never had any problems with 6 but 7 just is not great yet unless they fix it, firefox seems to be ok

I use IE 7 and I love it. Firefox is too damn annoying to me and it doesn't perform well when it's left overnight with many web pages open.

Do you actually have the skills to recode a Web browser to eliminate a vulnerability? Do you actually do so? If so, congratulations :) but it'll still be safer if you also don't run it with Admin/root privilege level.
Agreed, and I don't use root user status trolling the internet!

I dumped IE a long time ago. I use Safari (I'm a mac guy :eek:) If I have to I'll use Firefox, but it's a lot slower. I refuse to even download IE.

My answer to security issues is to run Seamonkey in a FreeBSD jail.

This thread forced me to download firefox again. Haven't tried it for a few years. Now I've tried if for a couple of days and must say I can't tell an ounce of difference from IE.

- or elinks!

- try doing this (simple example) with Internet Exploder:

elinks -dump \
ftp://weather.noaa.gov/data/forecasts/city/fl/tampa.txt |\
sed 's/\./ /g' > /tmp/wx.txt ; cat /tmp/wx.txt | festival --tts

(hint: a talking current weather report for my area)

Wow thats really cool I've never heard of that one before. It's even installed on my FC3 machine by default.

So what's the advantage of elinks as opposed to wget?

So what's the advantage of elinks as opposed to wget?

Nevermind. I see that elinks is an actual browser. I thought it was just a web-page grabbing utility.

My answer to security issues is to run Seamonkey in a FreeBSD jail.
Yay Seamonkey :)
I believe it is produced by Mozilla anyways

Yay Seamonkey :)
I believe it is produced by Mozilla anyways

Seamonkey and Firefox share the same Gecko engine. Seamonkey is what become of Mozilla Suite. It's got other stuff aside from just the web browser. It has mail and address book and chat. I install just the browser portion of Seamonkey and use that. Plus I really like the Multizilla plugin over Firefox's or the default tab management. I just want the browser piece... however, I can't stand Firefox's interface. The following quote probably explains the reason why...


This thread forced me to download firefox again. Haven't tried it for a few years. Now I've tried if for a couple of days and must say I can't tell an ounce of difference from IE.

Firefox is too much like IE and I don't care for IE's interface.