Long Distance Competition/Ultracycling, Randonneuring and Endurance Cycling - What to do AFTER a long ride?

Heya, I'm curious as to any recommendations on recovery techniques after a long (100+ mile) ride. How much do you rest and stretch? Percentage-wise, how much more or less do you ride in the week after the big event than you usually ride? What's your diet like? And most importantly, how many massages do you get in the week after? :D

I usually drink beer after a long ride, accompanied by pizza. I get my wife to bring it to me, so I can recover on the couch with the TV remote. I've tried to get my wife to massage my legs, but she says I'm 'too stinky'. If my back is bothering me I'll get my daughter to walk on it. I'll miss a day or two riding, then back to normal.

I realize this doesn't look like a serious answer, but that's my routine. I will drink a bunch of water before I start on the beer.
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Heya, I'm curious as to any recommendations on recovery techniques after a long (100+ mile) ride. How much do you rest and stretch? Percentage-wise, how much more or less do you ride in the week after the big event than you usually ride? What's your diet like? And most importantly, how many massages do you get in the week after? :D

Have a look at this article for recovery info:

http://www.hammernutrition.com.au/articles-recoverwell.php

If you want a ton of info on nutrition for endurance sports see this page:

http://www.hammernutrition.com.au/knowledge.php

Of course they are pushing the supplements they sell, but the information is sound and you can just replace their products with real food and/or other products you would prefer to use.

I realize this doesn't look like a serious answer, but that's my routine. I will drink a bunch of water before I start on the beer.
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It sounds like a serious answer to me.... only I add* a hot tub once I get home and a 45 - 60 minute massage on the following day. I am generally off the bike for a couple days afterwards (no recovery rides because I am lazy), but I do try to catch up on all my other 'to do' list items instead of just sitting on the couch in front of the TV, but that has been known to happen as well.

*added to the water (2-3 glasses), food (constant snacking after a solid meal), and beer (no more than 2 because I will fall asleep).

Heya, I'm curious as to any recommendations on recovery techniques after a long (100+ mile) ride. How much do you rest and stretch? Percentage-wise, how much more or less do you ride in the week after the big event than you usually ride? What's your diet like? And most importantly, how many massages do you get in the week after? :D

as you might imagine, a lot of this answer depends on fitness level. my post-ride routine is to repeat my warmup stretch sequence when I get home, shower, then repeat the stretch sequence again. I'll drink water and/or beer (mostly depending on if there's beer at home or not) and some kind of protein-heavy meal (roasted chicken, ribs, sushi, etc.)

pre-event, my riding doesn't change, though I might spin pretty easy on the Friday before. if the event ended on a Saturday, then I'll usually ride my regular commute to work on Monday, though might take a slightly longer route to avoid the larger hills between home and office. if the event ended on a Sunday, then I'll more likely take Monday as my rest day and drive in or WFH. I'll then ride in on Tuesday. Rest of the week is same as before, though most of my weekly riding is my 28 mile commute.

During the height of brevet season, I did a 300km and 400km brevet on two successive weekends, with commuting squeezed in on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and a quick 10 mile ride from a train station to a motel on Friday. I was afraid that all of that cycling with only a quasi rest day on Monday would've overtaxed my body, but I actually wound up putting in a stronger ride for the 400 than on the previous 300.

There's a certain point, with long distance riding, where your body is conditioned well enough that it can recover from a 100+ mile ride within a day or two and just keep on going.

If it is an organised ride and you want to push for a time- Then a couple of miles extra winding down- does help- I used to do it when I was Running- 15 mile crosscountry and after finishing- I used to do 1/2 a mile at a far slower speed finishing up as a walk.

If I have just been out on a long ride, then the last couple of Miles I cool down by getting my HR down- get my breath back and don't push up any slopes. Then sit down with a coffee and a bun before the shower and watching the F1 on tv.

I don't really do anything too special after any of my long rides (centuries, brevets, 1200K randonnees, 24-hour races, etc.).

I usually have a hot shower because I'm usually cold (many of my rides are done in less than ideal conditions), hot, or covered in slush, mud, frost, etc. If I'm going to stretch, this is when I'll do that.

I usually eat and drink because I'm usually hungry and thirsty after a ride. What I eat depends entirely upon my cravings and what is available, but pizza is a fairly common choice for me.

I will often try to get a longer night's sleep than normal, although that isn't always possible because of work, or another long ride, or other commitments.

The only other thing I often do is to write about the ride and log my miles. Sometimes I post those write-ups on a forum like this, sometimes they go onto my website, and sometimes I just save them onto my computer for my own personal reference.


As for how much riding I do in the following week, that depends. Toward the peak of my season, my riding quantity may increase from one week to the next after each long ride. In the off-season, I might only do a couple short rides in the week following. If the weather is really horrible during the week after a long ride, I might opt to rest. If the weather is great, I might opt to ride! I usually just go with how I feel. :)

It depends greatly on what kind of shape you are in and how many centuries you have done.
After a century I take a shower and then do what I normally do. Typically by the time I'm done with a shower or 30 min. later I'm ready to go out. Often I eat right after a shower.

Heya, I'm curious as to any recommendations on recovery techniques after a long (100+ mile) ride. How much do you rest and stretch? Percentage-wise, how much more or less do you ride in the week after the big event than you usually ride? What's your diet like? And most importantly, how many massages do you get in the week after? :D

Ice cream...preferably with chocolate in it in some form or other. :D

I have found Chocolate milk to be a very nice addition to my post ride activities. Lets, see, after the all night Harvest Moon Permanent we rode a week ago the all you can eat breakfast at JB's was a very good post ride activity. I consumed a dilly bar to get my final receipt after this years 600k and found that to also be a nice post ride activity. Usually though the only constant to my post ride activities is a snooze at the rest stop if I finish between 11pm and 4 am usually, and also a ride report write up too.

I stretch anything that seems tight, and I drink plenty of electrolyte replacement drink. I use Gookinaid Hydralyte, it's the best. http://www.gookinaid.com/

Heya, I'm curious as to any recommendations on recovery techniques after a long (100+ mile) ride. How much do you rest and stretch? Percentage-wise, how much more or less do you ride in the week after the big event than you usually ride? What's your diet like? And most importantly, how many massages do you get in the week after? :D

Endurox within 30 minutes of stopping (ideally within 5). Recovery nutrition makes a huge difference in soreness.

I generally don't feel like stretching right after. The morning after I'll head to the gym and do a machine (exercise bike/elliptical/treadmill) for 15 minutes or so to get some heat into my legs, and then I'll stretch out really well.

I'll generally get out for a normal ride (25-35 miles) on the Tuesday after a weekend ride, but I won't push very hard.

I always try to drink a little extra water, and most of the time a sports drink. When I start heading for the food trough, I make a point of eating normal, decent food before going on to anykind of bigtime junk like chips and beer.

I couldn't care less about stretching or anykind of exercise after a hard hundred or more...

stretch, shower, and big bowl of pasta.

Beer, sure. But my masseuse tells me I really should spend 20 minutes stretching. When I get off the stationery bike I stretch. When I get off the real bike I don't think to do it. Nor for that metter does anyone I ride with. Maybe I can start a trend...

After a double century, I usually stretch and hydrate/eat lots of food. The next day, I usually feel pretty lousy, and just want to sit around.

I have found that it is pushing it to ride the day after that. Three days after the ride, I usually get back on the bike. It depends on your fitness level. Sometimes I can ride a difficult hundred miles and then ride again the next day. Other times I need to take a day off.

I don't think that massages are necessary. Your muscles will recover just fine if you rest them and exercise at low exertion until they feel better.

Go riding! After the last PBP, a weeks' touring through the Loire Valley.

My routine is pretty much like Machka's. Except I don't ride nearly as far or as often. Clearly, the gals's on fire. But, yeah, I go with how I feel. I don't push it on centuries. For me, those rides are the Take It Easy type, or I will pay. I've never felt the inclination to stretch since I don't seem to develope tension related problems in my muscles. My knees might complain a little sometimes and I'll lay off for the next couple of days if they do. I eat all the usual high carbs before and during. Normal eating after, but I don't drink much beer or wine - except when I visit relatives in Austria.

Go riding! After the last PBP, a weeks' touring through the Loire Valley.

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After the last PBP, I did a weeks' tour of Wales!! Wales, if you are not familiar with it, is VERY, VERY hilly ... that was tougher than the PBP!!!

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After the last PBP, I did a weeks' tour of Wales!! Wales, if you are not familiar with it, is VERY, VERY hilly ... that was tougher than the PBP!!!

Hah! ...and this from someone who obviously weighs all of 65lbs! :D

Hah! ...and this from someone who obviously weighs all of 65lbs! :D

That's what my gear (in my panniers) weighed on that tour!! :eek:

Eat. Sleep. /thread

:D

Oh and I agree, pizza makes awesome post-ride food.

May be just a Factoid- But

Heard this on the TDF commentary- If you are out riding then you will lose some weight and most of this will be body water. If you do not replace half of your weight loss within an hour of finishing riding- then you would not be riding the next day with the power that you should have. So if you have lost 3lbs on a ride- then drink 1.5 lbs of water as soon as possible.
Doesn't bother me but but How much does a bottle of Bordeaux weigh and will it count?

I don't think that massages are necessary. Your muscles will recover just fine if you rest them and exercise at low exertion until they feel better.
They may not be necessary, but they sure do feel good. :D

Seize the nap!

Stretch, take a shower, finish my gatorade or whatever, eat a big meal within an hour or so and wash it down with beer in front of the tv for a spell.

So basically: stretch, eat, beer, rest. That's not so hard. :D

It strikes me as a little odd that so much emphasis is put on "what to do before and during the ride," and there isn't much discussion about the optimal recovery procedures. One thing I noticed was that, for whatever reason, I did not need all that much more recovery time from a Century where I set my own pace than from a 70-mile ride where (due to the speed of the other riders) I rode much harder than I usually do.

So I assume that with distances up to a double century, you don't need to do all that much different from your normal routine recovery practices? I assume anything over 200 will be a little different, as that moves you into sleep-deprivation territory....

So basically: stretch, eat, beer, rest. That's not so hard. :D
Yep, that pretty much covers it.

So I assume that with distances up to a double century, you don't need to do all that much different from your normal routine recovery practices? I assume anything over 200 will be a little different, as that moves you into sleep-deprivation territory....


In the last couple years I haven't done anything differently between a 160 km ride (century) and a 1200 km ride, with the possible exception of sleeping an hour or two more after a 1200K.

However, when I first started riding brevets, I made a point of really pampering myself after my rides!! Massages, stretching, eating, soaking in the tub, etc. etc. etc.

After my very first 200K and 300K, after eating and showering, etc., I remember going into my bedroom and sitting down on the edge of the bed .... and I don't remember anything after that except that when I woke up, I had the impression I hadn't moved in a very long time, and that about 15 hours had passed!!! When I rode my first 600K, I took two days off after it to rest, recover, soak in the tub, sleep etc. But after my most recent 600K, I took the morning off from work, but was there in the afternoon (Monday afternoon) and the next day (Tuesday) I worked two jobs, 16 hours in total. And after my most recent 1200K, I slept only about 8 hours the night after getting in.

I think the body adjusts ... it knows what to expect and how to deal with it.

So basically: stretch, eat, beer, rest. That's not so hard. :D

It strikes me as a little odd that so much emphasis is put on "what to do before and during the ride," and there isn't much discussion about the optimal recovery procedures.

well, consider the purpose of recovery. you've just completed a strenuous physical feat that has probably depleted your glycogenic reserves, prompted muscle fatigue and introduced some cannibalization of muscle tissue. Your eating and drinking regimen during the ride is partially focused at replenishing these resources during your event (and if you aren't eating and drinking properly during the long ride, then that will impact your recovery later on) but at the end of the ride, your body is in more or less a similar state regardless of distance. It still needs you to rebuild the muscle tissue and replenish hydration loss. The depth of the degradation might vary, but what has to be done to address it is still the same.

you might get a more interesting (though narrower) range of responses if you asked something like, "how do you recharge during back-to-back days of riding?" A lot of folks ride 600k's as a 400 and 200 with a few hours of sleep in between. Everyone has to sleep on a 1200k. So, what does one do before they bed down to ensure that they can get up and ride again after 90 minutes or three hours of sleep?

Beer will probably play a smaller role in that answer ;)

Your eating and drinking regimen during the ride is partially focused at replenishing these resources during your event (and if you aren't eating and drinking properly during the long ride, then that will impact your recovery later on) but at the end of the ride, your body is in more or less a similar state regardless of distance. It still needs you to rebuild the muscle tissue and replenish hydration loss. The depth of the degradation might vary, but what has to be done to address it is still the same.

Very true!!! That's why I recommend eating and drinking regularly during ALL long rides in so many of my posts, and that's partly why I get so upset when organized events, which promise that food and beverages will be provided, do not deliver on their promise as well as I think they should based on what I know about fuel and hydration for cyclists. Adequate fuel and hydration during the ride is critical!



you might get a more interesting (though narrower) range of responses if you asked something like, "how do you recharge during back-to-back days of riding?" A lot of folks ride 600k's as a 400 and 200 with a few hours of sleep in between. Everyone has to sleep on a 1200k. So, what does one do before they bed down to ensure that they can get up and ride again after 90 minutes or three hours of sleep?


I'm one of the ones who gets very limited sleep on 600Ks, 1000Ks, or 1200Ks. At the absolute most I'll get 3 hours of sleep in one go, but more often than not, it's 90 minutes.

Before I sleep on those rides, here's what I do:
-- EAT!! I try to eat solid food if I can, but if not, then I'll try to down a bottle or can or two of Ensure. It is imperative for me to get a decent amount of calories into me before I sleep. Doing this before I sleep gives my stomach some time to digest the food in peace instead of competing with all my other organs (cardiovascular system, muscles, etc.) for blood.

-- Drink ... but if I've been drinking regularly along the way, this one isn't as critical as eating.

-- Shower ... if I have time, and/or if the weather has been cold or rainy or in some way particularly miserable, I'll try to get a quick shower. Showers can be surprisingly rejuvenating.

-- Change ... I change into whatever I'm going to wear when I head out again ... preferably something clean and dry if I have it. I'm completely out of it when I wake up (that's every morning, not just when I'm in the middle of a randonnee), and so to make things as quick and painless as possible when I wake up after 90 minutes of sleep, it's best to be dressed and ready to go before I go to sleep.

-- Reload my bags ... If I have to make some changes in what I'm carrying, I'll do that as quickly as possible before I sleep too. This would include things like removing tubes which have flats and replacing them with fresh tubes, adding more energy bars or bottles of Ensure, tucking an extra jacket into the bag or whatever.

And then I sleep!

Sounds to me that there's no way to do these multi-day rides without support.

Sounds to me that there's no way to do these multi-day rides without support.


Sure, you could do the multi-day rides without support. Take a look at the account of my 1000K on my website (see link below). Two of us rode that entire ride together without bag drops, and without SAG wagons, and without any form of support at all. We fended for ourselves the whole way.

Most of my 600Ks (and shorter rides) have been done without support too. In Manitoba and Alberta, we don't have bag drops, volunteers, or anything on any of our rides. The only time we might have any support at all is if we arrange it ourselves.

And the level of support, when there is some, varies from ride to ride. On the PBP, for example, I rode without any bag drops ... I carried what I needed with me on the entire ride. In many ways I think I actually preferred that to rides which have a lot of bag drops. It's simpler. However, on the PBP, you get very good support at the controls (food, mechanical, medical, etc.). On the Last Chance, there were bag drops, which I made use of, but other than that, there was no other support - no SAG wagons, no mechanical support, no food provided, etc. And in many ways I preferred that to rides which provide a lot of food etc. because I can do my own thing.

Two of us rode that entire ride together without bag drops, and without SAG wagons, and without any form of support at all. We fended for ourselves the whole way.

I knew you were going to say that. :D I even thought you would post first. :D

I did the 600k this year all alone 8 days before the actual event as I was helping at the 600k, I rode self supported without a drop bag. Credit cards make riding self supported a lot easier. There had been a room reserved for me at the hostel the RBA usually uses but they were out and I had to scrounge for a hotel so it really did turn into a completely self supported ride.

Eat. Shower. Relax. Eat some more. Sleep.

+1 on the carb, water and salt intake.

You should warm down properly after any high intensity sport. For me, the warm down is about getting the lactic acid out of the muscles so that it doesn't hurt like hell 2 days later.

If your style is not high intensity then you won't get a lactic acid build up so it's not as important :)

After a triathlon I took only 5 or 6 minutes do some light jogging back and forth, going from a fast pace down to a slow walk. I felt so good the next day I couldn't believe it. Swore never to miss warm down again :)

After a rugby match my team -attempts- to do a lap of the pitch and plenty of stretches. Most of the time we're so bruised and tired that it's a token gesture.

After a longer cycle where I've pushed myself I find a good way to start the warm down is for the last 2 or 3 miles change to an easier gear and start spinning at a higher cadence. Then just gradually turn down the speed so that for the last 1/4 mile I'm crawling. A short walk is good too.

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid

Sorry, I just need to explain a little bit on the lactic acid stuff...

Lactic acid is what is formed in the muscles when glucose goes through the chemical processes to produce energy. It almost immediately is disposed of through the muscle walls into the blood stream where it becomes lactate, and is returned to the liver for further processing, which in turn converts it back to glucose again. *That*, I think, is a pretty neat and generally not understood part about lactic acid!

Lactic acid is disposed of through the muscles in a matter of minutes. According to the experts, at most, it is entirely gone 30 minutes after physical activity has ceased. Lactic acid is produced by the muscles during any physical activity they undertake -- even sitting at a computer keyboard and typing -- but the exchange rate into the blood is fast because the quantities so minute, so you don't notice any discomfort, or burn. As exercise intensity increases, so too does the amount of lactic acid that is produced.

The pain or burn in the muscles in anaerobic exertion comes from excessive build-up of lactic acid in the muscle, at a rate so fast that it cannot be exchanged into the bloodstream. The pain comes from the toxicity of lactic acid to the muscle cells.

It seems, the most popular reason for soreness after riding or muscle fatigue has a lot to do muscle fibre damage, and the high level of a certain muscle protein in the bloodstream, which seems to indicate that the deficiency of this protein in the muscles leads to the muscles protesting. I am conjecturing that this latter may have something to do with DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness), although there is no evidence of this in the literature that I have read.

Arnie Baker's book, "Bicycling Medicine", has some interesting discourse on this (and no, I did not quote directly from it, but referenced it after getting to the paragraph above :) )

There have been rides where I have been felt on top of the world afterwards, and some where I have been in agony -- but in those cases, there were repetitive injuries involved, such as to the Achilles tendons (seat too high). Some of this pain is related to emotional outlook, as well. If I am feeling on top of the world because of a significant achievement, then the pain doesn't seem quite so intense.

What you will find is that after training and moving up in distances, you will find the need for post-ride recovery will become less and less. The training adaptation means muscles are getting stronger and more used to the repetitive exercise, and your metabolism is dealing with waste products better. Someone just starting out with centuries and 200s will need R&R after a ride, while the older hands dig them in the ribs as they ask "Want to go for a 50k ride tomorrow morning?!"

For me, I know that after the 1000s and 1200s, I am really fatigued for about three or four days, but I think much of that has to do with emotion than anything else. After PBP 2003, I was on the road within three days -- the body was quite fine, but the mind was not really interested.

After any event, I shower, and then sleep. 15 hours is a pretty good sleep time for the longest events, probably 10 to 12 for the shorter ones. Being well hydrated before going to bed is a good thing to avoid the post-sleep stuffy-head syndrome. Remember that most people are in fluid and fuel deficit at the end of a ride -- that means they are dehydrated before resting, and this is not good for recovery. Try to rehydrate as much as possible before bedding down. If your urine is dark after getting up after a sleep, you know there is a hydration problem.

I also like to hunker into something like a chicken pizza, or chicken-anything really, but with a carbohydrate base (pasta, sandwiches, did I mention pizza?). I find the white meat is easier to digest than dark red meats, so I can sleep on it. There is a widespread recommendation that all this should occur within an hour (preferably 30 minutes) of the cessation of exercise, especially carbohydrates. But the sleep period is when the muscles rebuild from the damage (and hence you increase strength while you are sleeping!), so providing them with a steady supply of protein to help that rebuild is a good thing. It's likely to reduce that muscle soreness. :D

First thing I do is drink about 24oz of diluted Gatorade, then take a long shower followed by just sitting in my recliner and watching TV or listening to the stereo.

For the next week I usually do easy short to moderate length rides.

As exercise intensity increases, so too does the amount of lactic acid that is produced.

The pain or burn in the muscles in anaerobic exertion comes from excessive build-up of lactic acid in the muscle, at a rate so fast that it cannot be exchanged into the bloodstream. The pain comes from the toxicity of lactic acid to the muscle cells.

It seems, the most popular reason for soreness after riding or muscle fatigue has a lot to do muscle fibre damage, and the high level of a certain muscle protein in the bloodstream, which seems to indicate that the deficiency of this protein in the muscles leads to the muscles protesting
So high intensity stuff is causing pain due to lactic acid, the more relevant one (for this forum) is that pain can come from muscle cannibalisation due to low intensity but prolonged efforts. Interesting! Can you explain why the 2nd day after is worse than the next day? :)


First thing I do is drink about 24oz of diluted Gatorade, then take a long shower followed by just sitting in my recliner and watching TV or listening to the stereo.

Might find this useful! Cheaper in any event...
http://sportcrazy.net/cycling/pimp-my-sports-drinks-cheap-and-tasty-diy-solutions/

Might find this useful! Cheaper in any event...
http://sportcrazy.net/cycling/pimp-my-sports-drinks-cheap-and-tasty-diy-solutions/

Gatorade is cheap especially if you buy the large powder mix can.

It's real hard to get in places outside the US, froze. And when I have a friend travelling over there it's too bulky to ask them to bring back a lot :)

So high intensity stuff is causing pain due to lactic acid, the more relevant one (for this forum) is that pain can come from muscle cannibalisation due to low intensity but prolonged efforts. Interesting! Can you explain why the 2nd day after is worse than the next day? :)

As far as I am aware, cannibalisation comes from inadequate refuelling during a ride. The lactic acid pain occurs only during high-intensity effort above lactate threshhold, and at the most for 30 minutes after that high intensity has finished.

If Arnie Baker can't tell us, then why the second day is worse is open to conjecture thay may include:

* Inadequate rehydration post-ride.

* Inadequate carbohydrate and protein intake post-ride.

* Concentration of the body's metabolism to repair the damage to the muscle fibres (a bit like how you cut yourself and have it dressed on one day, and the next day it's hurting even more). I gather bodybuilders go through the same heavy lift-pain sequence.

* Increased fluid within the muscle cells (that also leads to swelling, and I don't think anyone has a real answer to this yet).

* Overuse of NAISADs on the ride that mask the real pain until you stop taking them.

I think all of the above may cover the reasons, but mostly the mechanisms related to muscle repair. It ultimately means you are better prepared or stronger for the next distance ride you do.

There was a great write up in bicycling magazine a couple of months ago. Basically eating a full meal with adequate protein within two hours after a hard effort can reduce recovery time by as much as 50 percent in well conditioned athletes.

After the two hour period the benefit goes down. For easy efforts this is not so important. But for older riders who can't recover from hard efforts as easy this is important. It takes as long as 36 - 72 hours for the body to recover from an extreme hard workout. The older you are and the less fit the longer it takes. This is why Tour de France riders can't hammer one day in a maximum effort and expect to perform at peak the next day.

I was just re-reading a triathlon report I did back in 2004 cos I got my nutrition dead right that time. Just as well, because all my other preparation was completely inadequate!

It sticks in my mind because I felt really good the next day. I did a good cooldown too, like I mentioned before.


The other preparation I did was good nutrition - and in hindsight I believe it was absolutely crucial to getting me to the end in decent shape. Carb loaded the 2 days before, eating tonnes of pasta and had spag bol before I went to bed on Saturday night. I got up 3 hours before my start time and had the rest of the spag bol for breakfast :) along with a bottle of sports drink. For the bike section I had another bottle of the same and a pack of gummy bears in my jersey pocket for energy replacement, and left bottles of water at the transition point in case I needed more before the run.

After the event I drank another bottle of lucozade sport, a bar of chocolate, about 2 litres of water, a tuna wrap, soup and bread, a pint of Carlsberg, and finished my spaghetti bolognese when I got home. Oh, and dinner that evening ;) Hungry, eh?

Link:triathlon report (http://sportcrazy.net/triathlon/my-first-triathlon-race-report/).

pizza is a fairly common choice for me. :)


ditto... my body DEMANDS it!!

After a long ride (for me that's around 70 to 80 miles) I immediately come here to the computer, sign on, and post a glowing thread about how great I am to have ridden that far!

Then, I go watch a football game or whatever else is on TV. Two plays later, the screen seems to turn to snow, and the clock has jumped forward to three o'clock the next morning.

Caruso

Two plays later, the screen seems to turn to snow, and the clock has jumped forward to three o'clock the next morning.Caruso

That's because you have entered the twilight zone, a zone where few have ever been.

Floyd Landis may disagree with you but that's a subject for another thread and forum.