wanna go sit on the steps w/me??? ;)


Santa Cruz doesnt do model years,

Santa Cruz doesnt do model years,

oh yeah, I did hear that... in my case they had the frame but were waiting for the rocker arm.... I'm convinced it will eventually show though ;) In the meantime, I'm doing a lot of crashing on my lbs's loaner bike ... better the scratches on that bike... right?

oh yeah, I did hear that... in my case they had the frame but were waiting for the rocker arm.... I'm convinced it will eventually show though ;) In the meantime, I'm doing a lot of crashing on my lbs's loaner bike ... better the scratches on that bike... right?
:D

:D

I take it that your answer is "yes" ? :p

I'm back at work, part time and unofficially. The doctor will not release me to return until Thursday, Nov. 2 which will be 5 weeks post opt. so I can't ride with you guys Friday.

I tried Chino Hills on Saturday. Had a bad day. Could barely (and I mean barely) make it to Sycamore. I just don't have any mojo right now. Still very anemic and of course, alittle out of shape.

Sunday I did Aliso/Wood Canyon with buddy Richard. Felt better but still out of shape. After about 2 hours of riding, I'm done. You'll have to give me some time to build back up my strength. Maybe by then the new bike will be in.

OK so Santa Cruz dosen't do model years... so I'm waiting for a new 2007 bike since I couldn't get a 2006 bike - if that's not "model" years I don't know what is. Note the new bike (Superlight) is improved over the old bike... doesn't that sound like something they do to change model years? Or an yeah when they change the Blur into a Blur Classic and added the other models... again model year thing at least in my book.

I'm back at work, part time and unofficially. The doctor will not release me to return until Thursday, Nov. 2 which will be 5 weeks post opt. so I can't ride with you guys Friday.

I tried Chino Hills on Saturday. Had a bad day. Could barely (and I mean barely) make it to Sycamore. I just don't have any mojo right now. Still very anemic and of course, alittle out of shape.

Sunday I did Aliso/Wood Canyon with buddy Richard. Felt better but still out of shape. After about 2 hours of riding, I'm done. You'll have to give me some time to build back up my strength. Maybe by then the new bike will be in.

OK so Santa Cruz dosen't do model years... so I'm waiting for a new 2007 bike since I couldn't get a 2006 bike - if that's not "model" years I don't know what is. Note the new bike (Superlight) is improved over the old bike... doesn't that sound like something they do to change model years? Or an yeah when they change the Blur into a Blur Classic and added the other models... again model year thing at least in my book.

Well... the only problem with your idea is that the only way I can keep up with you is before you rebuild your strength :eek: I actually did okay up to the tables at chino but the air was so dry I practically died from coughing.. . ugh! Between that and the whole falling over thing... its gonna take me forever to get off the fire roads ;) That's okay, there are a few near me I can practice on... and Herb promises not to tell anyone what a clutz I am on Friday :p I was hoping you could sneak that one in since its pretty smooth etc.... :( if you change your mind, let me know...

t~

I'm back at work, part time and unofficially. The doctor will not release me to return until Thursday, Nov. 2 which will be 5 weeks post opt. so I can't ride with you guys Friday.

I tried Chino Hills on Saturday. Had a bad day. Could barely (and I mean barely) make it to Sycamore. I just don't have any mojo right now. Still very anemic and of course, alittle out of shape.

Sunday I did Aliso/Wood Canyon with buddy Richard. Felt better but still out of shape. After about 2 hours of riding, I'm done. You'll have to give me some time to build back up my strength. Maybe by then the new bike will be in.

OK so Santa Cruz dosen't do model years... so I'm waiting for a new 2007 bike since I couldn't get a 2006 bike - if that's not "model" years I don't know what is. Note the new bike (Superlight) is improved over the old bike... doesn't that sound like something they do to change model years? Or an yeah when they change the Blur into a Blur Classic and added the other models... again model year thing at least in my book.


If and when they make changes they may refer to it as a model year, but alot of there bikes dont change for years at a time. The nomad I dont think will be changing anytime soon. The difference is usually the model year shocks and forks, but the 07 stuff has been out for months now.

I take it that your answer is "yes" ? :p


Yep, that it is.:p

Sean... I understand but how then do you refer to the new bikes that are coming out - I guess 2007 bikes would be appropriate but 2007 models would not? To me all the same really. SC does change out the shocks and forks when new stuff from Fox comes up and the Superlight is being redesigned for next (2007) year. Of course the Blur went through all sorts of changes. My bud has a Blur "classic" before it became the Blur Classic. The Blur Classic is different from his old school Blur.

Anyway it appears to be a semantics issue and SC is a weird company... but i like the Superlight!

And Tracy:

I can't ride Bovian well either. I do alot of walking. I like singletrack but singletrack with BIG dropoffs is scary (try Rapture sometime - there's a pucker trail!). Plus I've seen my expert riding buddies take some nasty spills on Bovian. Now riding up to 4 Corners on Telegraph not such a problem but is for me right now. The anemia makes me tire very easily.

What you and Herb should do, especially if weather permitting, is take NORTH RIDGE to Sycamore and ride down that and then return on Telegraph. That's my favorite ride when in shape. Right now from what I can see, the wind blew all the silt off North Ridge so it's in good shape.

I'll think about you while at work. =sigh= it's back to the grind!

And Tracy:

I can't ride Bovian well either. I do alot of walking. I like singletrack but singletrack with drop offs is scary. Plus I've seen my expert riding buddies take some nasty spills on Bovian. Now riding up to 4 Corners on Telegraph not such a problem but is for me right now. The anemia is a problem I tire very easily.

What you and Herb should do, especially if weather permitting, is take NORTH RIDGE to Sycamore and ride down that. That's my favorite ride when in shape. Right now from what I can see, the wind blew all the silt off North Ridge so it's in good shape.

I'll think about you while at work. =sigh= it's back to the grind!


for now I think I'm just gonna go up that basic trail... especially since it's pretty much the blind leading the blind :eek: There's no way I'd go down Bovian any time soon by myself... even if my shoes and bike are easily found by the emt's! I was okay (more or less) on the drop off point but as soon as there was a rock near the path or one of those turns that end up uphill... I was walking. I seem to have the most trouble stopping w/out falling over to the right :rolleyes: what can I say... I'm a goober :rolleyes:

I'm gonna go find the map and look up North Ridge... just to see... but I'll probably err on the safe side :p

Hopefully, you'll be back to yourself soon!

t~

It is pretty much. Some area's are real steep, others are really fast and flowing. Lots of roots and log jams throughout. There are areas to relly let it roll and fly and others ya better keep the speed under control lest ya kiss a tree.:rolleyes: One of the trails in SC has berms 6 ft high, that is soo fun cause you can really hit em hard and not worry about it. If ya get up this way we will have to take ya to a few of the places. I know Santa Barbara has some really awesome stuff.

The first race of the season was at his Place called Lake Moreno aka Sage Brush. FUN place, there was a good 25 min climb to the top but the decent was double track down. They let ATVs and dirt bikes out there on the trails so the trails were WELL groomed and packed really good. Very flowy. The motor bikes breaking bumps were like woop sections to us on MTBs and goes into some nice 4-6ft banks. The rythm down was woop woop berm, woop woop berm with a steep shoot in there along the way. All flowing at 25+mph. That DH section was prolly a good 15 minutes long. Very very fun. Almost thought I was on a BMX bike. Alot of bike pumping over the woop sections.

jsigone: Hook me up with a new Headshock or tell me where and what to get for a replacement!!!

/need the info.

Tracy - North Ridge is not technical its just grindy - something you are good at. As you approach the entrance to Chino Hills (from Carbon Canyon) its the uphill that's on the left. If you go right you are doing Telegraph. Sycamore can be technical. I have to say I have only once before been able to ride it without stopping or walking but its not as technical as Bovian and the trail is fairly wide. Have Wayne take you up that way sometime. I like doing the climb just for the challenge. It's a 6 mile hill at an average grade of 6 - 8% with hardly no flat spots (until you reach Gilman Peak and then there is some up and downs).

Stick with Telegraph. It's a fun route as well. Coming back down Telegraph is much more fun than coming back on South Ridge!

Tracy - North Ridge is not technical its just grindy - something you are good at. As you approach the entrance to Chino Hills (from Carbon Canyon) its the uphill that's on the left. If you go right you are doing Telegraph. Sycamore can be technical. I have to say I have only once before been able to ride it without stopping or walking but its not as technical as Bovian and the trail is fairly wide. Have Wayne take you up that way sometime. I like doing the climb just for the challenge. It's a 6 mile hill at an average grade of 6 - 8% with hardly no flat spots (until you reach Gilman Peak and then there is some up and downs).

Stick with Telegraph. It's a fun route as well. Coming back down Telegraph is much more fun than coming back on South Ridge!


somehow I'm thinking North Ridge is out of my league right now... I'd manage to hit the one rock/bump that's there, fall over, and land back at the bottom (shoes up, of course :p ). It definately sounds like a good challenge though so I may try it sometime when no one can watch me crash :eek: I didn't realize that this was the trail Wayne was telling us about on that last ride... I think you also mentioned it at one point before as well... so it'll definately be a while before I try it! The other issue is that the loaner bike is a too big and it reallly makes me nervous so that's probably not good either.

I'm sure I'll manage to fall over doing something on friday though... pictures forthcoming ;)

jsigone: Hook me up with a new Headshock or tell me where and what to get for a replacement!!!

/need the info.

for your old c'dale? What year/model is it?

EDIT

How about this
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Headset/product_122265.shtml

It's a headset that adapts from the HUGE c'dale headtube and you can use a normal 1 1/8" fork..

"To be clear, the Double X is for forks with 1.5 steerers. The Double Xc and Xc short (which is what I use) are the reducer headsets that allow you to run a 1 1/8 steerer in your Cannondale."

Why don't you just buy my bike and be done with it... it's a good deal!

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o288/bcipam/TheNewBike005.jpg

nice bike!!!! But why's it soo clean:D

'cause I have lots of spare time.... I like to keep my bikes purty! (Plus it was fairly new when the photo was taken!)

Tracy some North Ridge Photos - trail is not tough just grindy... 6 miles of this before a downhill. North Ridge is a main road for fire access and ranger trucks. It's not as rocky or uneven as Telegraph.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o288/bcipam/NorthRidge090205008.jpg

and...

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o288/bcipam/NorthRidge103005001.jpg

Note last photo is of my friend Tracey and the photo was taken right after the last fire through Chino Hills. This is just before Sycamore. Tracey had only been riding a month and she could do it!!!

'cause I have lots of spare time.... I like to keep my bikes purty! (Plus it was fairly new when the photo was taken!)


I remember I washed my MTBs the first week after I built them, then it became "EEEEEHHHHHH how's the chain look":D I ride them too often to keep them clean I guess:o

And oh Trac... 2 years ago Telegraph was a narrow singletrack. Alot if it looked like this... the water crossings now are wussy - then we had real water crossings!!!!

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o288/bcipam/Friends003.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o288/bcipam/Friends005.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o288/bcipam/Friends009.jpg

wow CHino wasn't that green when we rode....I can't recall seeing much green anywhere though. Must be pretty in early spring.

Was that the year we had CRAZY amounts of rain?

Yep - the park was closed for a looooong time due to the rains and road washouts. In fact, when these photos were taken the trail was oficially closed - ride at your own risk, because if injured, rescue vehicles would not be able to get in. I recall there were 4 or 5 washouts across the road you had to hike a bike but the Park sure was pretty. I actually think these photos were taken in June 2004. The trail had narrowed into a sweet, technical singletack all the way to 4 Corners. Bovian, McDermot and Rapture did not exist due to overgrowth.

I really miss those days. I hated it when they finally got around to repairing and plowing the road. Oh well.

Bovian had some nice turns that caught me by surprise on the SS. Fun lil trail. Is there MORE like that in that park? I'm sure you have prolly explored and rode every foot of that place. I know I have of my local trails.

This USED to be a bit easier before that rainy year, then the runoff cleared off alot of the dirt leaving just rock exposed.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/jsigone/MTB/SS%20in%20Sycamore/2006_0930Sycamore0021small.jpg

Used to be smooth w/ a granite water break at 1/2 way point. Now it a lil looks intimidating from the top
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/jsigone/MTB/SS%20in%20Sycamore/2006_0930Sycamore0022small.jpg

I guess it got so intimidating that cut a lil trail on the side to bypass the drop in point.

If you liked Bovian - you will love Rapture.

Ride out to 4 Corners, from the picnic bench look East (just across the road from Bovian) and you will see the sign post for Rapture. Bovian is a "c" ticket, Rapture is an "E". Lots of narrow, twisty singletrack, steep drops, rock gardens, and fast downhill. If you do Rapture you will end up down in Chino. Continue South towards the Ranger station, go past it, bypass Telegraph, hit the road and then watch for South Ridge. Take South Ridge back up to Telegraph or for that epic adventure, continue on South Ridge.

PS where is your trail - that's scary looking!

Also as I have recommended to Tracy - take North Ridge but go past Sycamore and ride over to McDermott. Take McDermott down to 4 Corners. Very steep and technical.

wow CHino wasn't that green when we rode....I can't recall seeing much green anywhere though. Must be pretty in early spring. Yeah. it changes from brown to green.

This picture taken in September of 2002 looking down on 4 corners from San Juan Peak.
In the backgroud you can see the smoke from a big fire in the foothills.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/wonged1/chinohillssanjuanview1.jpg

This picture taken in January of 2003 of the same view.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/wonged1/chinohillssanjuanview3.jpg

Also as I have recommended to Tracy - take North Ridge but go past Sycamore and ride over to McDermott. Take McDermott down to 4 Corners. Very steep and technical.

yeah, I've decided Pam is tryin' to get me killed! ;) Jeff, you'll have to be my scout, now that you know what a goober rider I am :D

Tracy I did not recommend you go past Sycamore... McDermott is not for the faint at heart - it's a crazy bomber trail. (i have to walk...)

BTW Mtblurkr... that top photo is killer!

Tracy I did not recommend you go past Sycamore... McDermott is not for the faint at heart - it's a crazy bomber trail. (i have to walk...)

BTW Mtblurkr... that top photo is killer!


I know, I don't think I could get down on any trail after North Ridge.... they'd find me up there .... frozen... :rolleyes:

OK......so when's our next Chino Hills ride? :D

Why don't you just buy my bike and be done with it... it's a good deal!

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o288/bcipam/TheNewBike005.jpg


What size and how much?

I know, I don't think I could get down on any trail after North Ridge.... they'd find me up there .... frozen... :rolleyes:


Hey..I'm back...looks like I missed a ton...
Great pics Sean!!!

Trac...are they all trying to kill us??? 6miles 6% grade..bomber downhill..OMG...

OK......so when's our next Chino Hills ride? :D


Tracy and I are going Friday AM....everyone is welcome!!

I need to develop some dirt skills since i have 0,zip,nada..
or at least learn to fall without killing myself

Hey..I'm back...looks like I missed a ton...
Great pics Sean!!!

Trac...are they all trying to kill us??? 6miles 6% grade..bomber downhill..OMG...


WE are doing the baby route... no 6% grade.... no bomber downhill... no worries :p

Tracy and I are going Friday AM....everyone is welcome!!

I need to develop some dirt skills since i have 0,zip,nada..
or at least learn to fall without killing myself

Thanks Herb, but I've got to work Friday......you guys have a great time! :)

Medium (17). Asking - $1400 maybe less if motivated... and if someone asks nicely!:)

If you liked Bovian - you will love Rapture.
This is part of Raptor singletrak

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/wonged1/chrider.jpg

Medium (17). Asking - $1400 maybe less if motivated... and if someone asks nicely!:)


Pretty please, and how tall are you? What year it the bike? Those look like avid mechanicals, and the fork is 100mm or what? Im assuming a float?

WE are doing the baby route... no 6% grade.... no bomber downhill... no worries :p

Thats what I figured...I can't wait!!!

I'm 5'8" have fairly long legs. It's 2006. Almost brand new - literally - bought it in spring and got hurt and sick, couldn't ride it much.

Yes Avid mechanicals and Fox Float 100/120. This is a 5" travel "all mountain" bike. Model is Stumpjumper FSR with disc brakes. I added Hope seat post clamp and skewers (in red). I'll leave the WTB Laser saddle (if wanted. What's shown in the photo is the ass hatchet Spec. saddle) but will take off the pedals.

Mtblurkr... ow ma gad... love the Rapture photo especially the tiny little rider... I can't picture where it was taken but I recognize the telephone towers in the background.

As one can see CH is a BIG park!

Thats what I figured...I can't wait!!!


yeah, I figure our biggest worries are who will fall over in the water crossings first and whether we'll fall over going up the hills :rolleyes:

hummm this makes me want to ride Chino this weekend....but I also wanta ride the real SART. Chino is closer though...........I have 5 days to make up my mind. I can't do both, my GF might kick me out the house :eek: I saw her for a whole 15 minutes yesturdays:eek:

If I do Chino I want to do Raptor for sure, maybe go explore a bit and spend some good time on the bike. If I'm in the driving mood I'll drive to SART.


Those are great pics of Chino's colors, I love the no smog look in the background.

That local trail was Sycamore Canyon in Poway. Goes 9 miles striaght shot to Santee if you like. I can put an easy 20 miles there and not even go to Santee. Very deverse area to ride, from nasty DH to brutal climbs to creek bed tree dodging single track. Which is why I ride there as often as I do. I LOVE that single track sections. About 85% of Syc is on a single track so it's fun on any bike I take there.

yeah, I figure our biggest worries are who will fall over in the water crossings first and whether we'll fall over going up the hills :rolleyes:

I know...what happens in chino hills stays in chino hills...
I am not even sure I want to bring a camera...and then maybe a throwaway so I dont break my digital when I fall on it...:o

I know...what happens in chino hills stays in chino hills...
I am not even sure I want to bring a camera...and then maybe a throwaway so I dont break my digital when I fall on it...:o

I was thinking the same thing.... if I bring my digital, I'll probably end up crashing in the water and wrecking it :eek: might try it anyway, I can fit it in its case in the seat bag.....

Trust me, I've fallen on my digital alot. It's hard to break one of them things! :D

Note carry my camera in a case and thread it through the top strap of my Camelbak so it rides up on my chest away from water splashes it and if I fall, its usually protected. it's easy to get to and use.

I know...what happens in chino hills stays in chino hills...
I am not even sure I want to bring a camera...and then maybe a throwaway so I dont break my digital when I fall on it...:o

If you guys are lucky you might see this guy.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/wonged1/bobcat2.jpg

Trust me, I've fallen on my digital alot. It's hard to break one of them things! :D


how well do they do when you fall in a water crossing? :eek: I seriously had to watch several peeps go through before I felt like I could do it w/out getting dunked...

If you guys are lucky you might see this guy.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/wonged1/bobcat2.jpg


I don't think I could get that lucky... how beautiful!!!

If you guys are lucky you might see this guy.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/wonged1/bobcat2.jpg


Here kitty, kitty....

that would be very amazing!!

I was thinking the same thing.... if I bring my digital, I'll probably end up crashing in the water and wrecking it :eek: might try it anyway, I can fit it in its case in the seat bag.....

I call that the "Jeff" plan at Best Buy.....just in case I crash I can have it replaced within 4 yrs of purchase date:D Anything can happen in 4 years:D