N_C
11-01-06, 03:33 PM
http://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=1832
http://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=1839
http://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=1839
Advocacy & Safety - The 19 yr. old needs to go back through Drivers Ed.
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John E
11-01-06, 06:35 PM
No, the 19 year-old needs to have his driving PRIVILEGE suspended for a long time.
Lee Lemon
11-01-06, 06:44 PM
Take his car away and make him ride a bike.
Blue Order
11-01-06, 06:54 PM
On the one hand, I agree that courts need to begin treating a driver's license as a privilege. This guy killed somebody because he decided to pass in a no-pass zone. He shouldn't be driving, period.
On the other hand, I shudder to think of the reputation cyclists will have as their ranks swell with the drunkards and murderers whose driving privileges have been rescinded....
On the other hand, I shudder to think of the reputation cyclists will have as their ranks swell with the drunkards and murderers whose driving privileges have been rescinded....
N_C
11-01-06, 09:50 PM
No, the 19 year-old needs to have his driving PRIVILEGE suspended for a long time.
If he was 17 or younger he would have under Iowa's graduated driver liscense or GDL program.
If he was 17 or younger he would have under Iowa's graduated driver liscense or GDL program.
sggoodri
11-02-06, 08:29 AM
This guy killed somebody because he decided to pass in a no-pass zone.
To put it more accurately, he caused a collision because he passed where the opposite lane was not clear for sufficient distance.
There are many, many situations where the opposite lane in a no-pass zone is clear for sufficient distance to safely pass a bicyclist. Whether or not this is explicitly legal is tangential to the safety issue. I would prefer that the police concentrate on the clear distance rather than the no-passing zone designation.
Many of the 2-lane roads that I bike have narrow lanes, continuous double-yellow lines, and no shoulders. If drivers didn't cross the double yellow to pass me, they wouldn't be able to pass at all. Fortunately, the traffic when and where I most prefer to ride such roads is usually light enough that they can do this safely without delay. A similar situation exists for tractors in the outlying areas. All the narrow rural roads are striped with double-yellow on numerous stretches where passing a slow tractor is perfectly safe, and is done as a matter of routine. What's important is the visible distance of clear roadway, which is less for passing a "very" slow vehicle than the guidelines used for striping by the DOT, which assumes the vehicle being passed is traveling near the maximum speed limit.
-Steve Goodridge
To put it more accurately, he caused a collision because he passed where the opposite lane was not clear for sufficient distance.
There are many, many situations where the opposite lane in a no-pass zone is clear for sufficient distance to safely pass a bicyclist. Whether or not this is explicitly legal is tangential to the safety issue. I would prefer that the police concentrate on the clear distance rather than the no-passing zone designation.
Many of the 2-lane roads that I bike have narrow lanes, continuous double-yellow lines, and no shoulders. If drivers didn't cross the double yellow to pass me, they wouldn't be able to pass at all. Fortunately, the traffic when and where I most prefer to ride such roads is usually light enough that they can do this safely without delay. A similar situation exists for tractors in the outlying areas. All the narrow rural roads are striped with double-yellow on numerous stretches where passing a slow tractor is perfectly safe, and is done as a matter of routine. What's important is the visible distance of clear roadway, which is less for passing a "very" slow vehicle than the guidelines used for striping by the DOT, which assumes the vehicle being passed is traveling near the maximum speed limit.
-Steve Goodridge
FlatTop
11-02-06, 09:00 AM
"...Palmer died at the scene. There is no word on Riese's condition..."
I'll hazard a guess that Riese is in a P.O.'d, selfrighteous condition, and doesn't really understand that he caused this "accident" or why he's in trouble.
I'll hazard a guess that Riese is in a P.O.'d, selfrighteous condition, and doesn't really understand that he caused this "accident" or why he's in trouble.
N_C
11-02-06, 09:15 AM
To put it more accurately, he caused a collision because he passed where the opposite lane was not clear for sufficient distance.
There are many, many situations where the opposite lane in a no-pass zone is clear for sufficient distance to safely pass a bicyclist. Whether or not this is explicitly legal is tangential to the safety issue. I would prefer that the police concentrate on the clear distance rather than the no-passing zone designation.
Many of the 2-lane roads that I bike have narrow lanes, continuous double-yellow lines, and no shoulders. If drivers didn't cross the double yellow to pass me, they wouldn't be able to pass at all. Fortunately, the traffic when and where I most prefer to ride such roads is usually light enough that they can do this safely without delay. A similar situation exists for tractors in the outlying areas. All the narrow rural roads are striped with double-yellow on numerous stretches where passing a slow tractor is perfectly safe, and is done as a matter of routine. What's important is the visible distance of clear roadway, which is less for passing a "very" slow vehicle than the guidelines used for striping by the DOT, which assumes the vehicle being passed is traveling near the maximum speed limit.
-Steve Goodridge
The law is pretty clear on this. No passing in the no passing zone. As far as I know it is regardless of how slow the traffic ahead is. It is only legal to pass in a passing zone. This 19 yr. old was in too much of a hurry from the sounds of it. The same thing would have happened if it was a slower motor vehicle he had to go around. Except the occupants of a motor vehicle has a better chance of surviving.
There are many, many situations where the opposite lane in a no-pass zone is clear for sufficient distance to safely pass a bicyclist. Whether or not this is explicitly legal is tangential to the safety issue. I would prefer that the police concentrate on the clear distance rather than the no-passing zone designation.
Many of the 2-lane roads that I bike have narrow lanes, continuous double-yellow lines, and no shoulders. If drivers didn't cross the double yellow to pass me, they wouldn't be able to pass at all. Fortunately, the traffic when and where I most prefer to ride such roads is usually light enough that they can do this safely without delay. A similar situation exists for tractors in the outlying areas. All the narrow rural roads are striped with double-yellow on numerous stretches where passing a slow tractor is perfectly safe, and is done as a matter of routine. What's important is the visible distance of clear roadway, which is less for passing a "very" slow vehicle than the guidelines used for striping by the DOT, which assumes the vehicle being passed is traveling near the maximum speed limit.
-Steve Goodridge
The law is pretty clear on this. No passing in the no passing zone. As far as I know it is regardless of how slow the traffic ahead is. It is only legal to pass in a passing zone. This 19 yr. old was in too much of a hurry from the sounds of it. The same thing would have happened if it was a slower motor vehicle he had to go around. Except the occupants of a motor vehicle has a better chance of surviving.
sgtsmile
11-02-06, 02:35 PM
To put it more accurately, he caused a collision because he passed where the opposite lane was not clear for sufficient distance.
There are many, many situations where the opposite lane in a no-pass zone is clear for sufficient distance to safely pass a bicyclist. Whether or not this is explicitly legal is tangential to the safety issue. I would prefer that the police concentrate on the clear distance rather than the no-passing zone designation.
Many of the 2-lane roads that I bike have narrow lanes, continuous double-yellow lines, and no shoulders. If drivers didn't cross the double yellow to pass me, they wouldn't be able to pass at all. Fortunately, the traffic when and where I most prefer to ride such roads is usually light enough that they can do this safely without delay. A similar situation exists for tractors in the outlying areas. All the narrow rural roads are striped with double-yellow on numerous stretches where passing a slow tractor is perfectly safe, and is done as a matter of routine. What's important is the visible distance of clear roadway, which is less for passing a "very" slow vehicle than the guidelines used for striping by the DOT, which assumes the vehicle being passed is traveling near the maximum speed limit.
-Steve Goodridge
Basically, you are right.
The key thing is to make sure that there is NOTHING coming before passing, and to wait if at all unsure. Cars may pass bikes and tractors on a double line (in Ontario at least, the double line does not mean dont pass, it means you shouldn't pass, so dont be wrong..... Anyone with a brain in their head would not pass if they could not see) but should not pass if there is a hill upcoming or a dip you cannot see into.
There are many, many situations where the opposite lane in a no-pass zone is clear for sufficient distance to safely pass a bicyclist. Whether or not this is explicitly legal is tangential to the safety issue. I would prefer that the police concentrate on the clear distance rather than the no-passing zone designation.
Many of the 2-lane roads that I bike have narrow lanes, continuous double-yellow lines, and no shoulders. If drivers didn't cross the double yellow to pass me, they wouldn't be able to pass at all. Fortunately, the traffic when and where I most prefer to ride such roads is usually light enough that they can do this safely without delay. A similar situation exists for tractors in the outlying areas. All the narrow rural roads are striped with double-yellow on numerous stretches where passing a slow tractor is perfectly safe, and is done as a matter of routine. What's important is the visible distance of clear roadway, which is less for passing a "very" slow vehicle than the guidelines used for striping by the DOT, which assumes the vehicle being passed is traveling near the maximum speed limit.
-Steve Goodridge
Basically, you are right.
The key thing is to make sure that there is NOTHING coming before passing, and to wait if at all unsure. Cars may pass bikes and tractors on a double line (in Ontario at least, the double line does not mean dont pass, it means you shouldn't pass, so dont be wrong..... Anyone with a brain in their head would not pass if they could not see) but should not pass if there is a hill upcoming or a dip you cannot see into.
sgtsmile
11-02-06, 02:37 PM
The law is pretty clear on this. No passing in the no passing zone. As far as I know it is regardless of how slow the traffic ahead is. It is only legal to pass in a passing zone. This 19 yr. old was in too much of a hurry from the sounds of it. The same thing would have happened if it was a slower motor vehicle he had to go around. Except the occupants of a motor vehicle has a better chance of surviving.
True about a no passing zone. Remember that what constitutes a no passing zone varies from area to area. They key thing is to never pass, no matter what vehicle you are driving/riding on without being certain it is safe to do so. Any doubt? Stay and wait a bit.
However, that being said, you cannot, based on the sketchy evidence presented in the links you posted, even begin to ascribe motives to the driver of the car. It may make you feel better, but does nothing to shed light on the situation.
True about a no passing zone. Remember that what constitutes a no passing zone varies from area to area. They key thing is to never pass, no matter what vehicle you are driving/riding on without being certain it is safe to do so. Any doubt? Stay and wait a bit.
However, that being said, you cannot, based on the sketchy evidence presented in the links you posted, even begin to ascribe motives to the driver of the car. It may make you feel better, but does nothing to shed light on the situation.
sgtsmile
11-02-06, 02:39 PM
"...Palmer died at the scene. There is no word on Riese's condition..."
I'll hazard a guess that Riese is in a P.O.'d, selfrighteous condition, and doesn't really understand that he caused this "accident" or why he's in trouble.
Again, you assume much.
Perhaps the teenager is distraught and feel absolutely rotten that he contributed to someone else dying? We dont know, and assuming anything at all is judgmental and rather beside the point.
The real tragedy is that someone died, and many people's lives, including the life of the person driving the car, are permanently altered because of this occurrence.
I'll hazard a guess that Riese is in a P.O.'d, selfrighteous condition, and doesn't really understand that he caused this "accident" or why he's in trouble.
Again, you assume much.
Perhaps the teenager is distraught and feel absolutely rotten that he contributed to someone else dying? We dont know, and assuming anything at all is judgmental and rather beside the point.
The real tragedy is that someone died, and many people's lives, including the life of the person driving the car, are permanently altered because of this occurrence.