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11-28-06, 09:53 AM
It's approx the size of a Bosecube, but FAR less expensive.
That site (www.partsexpress.com) also sell various thin speakers, like the old ARs you mentioned in yesterday's thread.
11-28-06, 10:08 AM
Well, if you must go with the Bose '80s-technology speakers, then you might as well buy the actual 2.5" speakers used in those cubes for $29/pr (http://layneaudio.hypermart.net/specials.htm). Then drop them into your own little cubical enclosure, although a sphere would be better. Not that you're gonna get any kind of quality sound out of those things anyway. Their frequency-reponse is something like 280-13khz.
Better alternative for 1/2 the price would be a set of Infinty 2-way bookcase speakers. They're not much bigger than a paperback on each side. And they have true tweeters & mid-range using Infinity's CMMD - ceramic metal-matrix diaphrams. It's a ceramic/aluminium composite that's got way higher stiffness-to-weight raitos compared to paper. You'll get true highs and lows that you won't hear from the Bose speakers.
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11-28-06, 10:25 AM
then remove the s, www.partexpress.com, and then copy/paste/edit the URl links.
11-28-06, 10:28 AM
Danno, that pic is of a Bose Tweeter. They use paper cone tweets in their products.
It's not 80s tech...it's far, far older than that.
My dad built speakers in china back in the 60's using paper, damn good ones too.
11-28-06, 11:55 AM
My school's network is as tight as 'ell.
11-28-06, 11:57 AM
There are good paper cones, Scan-Speak comes to mind when i think of high end paper. these are not that type of paper.
Pressed paper cones = bad. Non-pressed paper cones = good. Carbon impregnated non-pressed paper cones = "ohmigahd I'm having an eargasm" (best of both worlds, paper lightness, carbon stiffness)
edit: and partsexpress has a semi-pressed paper cone 6.5" woofer that's a good vlaue for it's price, hits surprisingly deep although at the cost of power handling.
I can make my own decals and have some nice Blose speakers.
11-28-06, 03:20 PM
My dad built speakers in china back in the 60's using paper, damn good ones too.Depends upon your definition of "good". Paper cones with their non-linear frequency-response and distortion may have specifications that was "good" for the '60s, but are sub-par nowadays. All you have to do is listen to some of those Bose speakers compared to anything else with a stiffer/lighter cone and you can totally hear the difference. With those two-part cubes, they totally could've built something better with a 0.75-1.0" tweeter in one section and a 3" mid-range in the other and use the combined volume of both cubes for the mid-range. This isn't rocket-science, you can design and build a better speaker yourself that'll meet your space-requirements in a weekend with better performance than the Bose Cubes.
I've heard Bose speakers. I've also heard Martin Logan speakers. So it's not like I haven't heard any better. Aside from being slightly muffled in the upper end and having less sound stage, my headphone setup sounds pretty close to the ML's. I've also auditioned bose setups and I'm fine with it.
I'm not sure why people keep recommending me large bookshelf speakers when all I wanted were the tiny cubes. When I'm ready, I'll get a set of martin logan's myself but right now, I'm tight on space and not too keen on ramming giant spikes into my hardwood floors.
When I meant pretty damn good, I meant for the time, given what we had back in china, they were pretty damn good. They sound like a tiny pair of tivoli's.
11-28-06, 04:53 PM
Ah everyone is just trying to help out. I'd say go find a place to try out the Hsu ventriloquist or that Yamaha YSP-1000. Both are great setups which eat up very little room.
Like I said, go check out the professional review section on audioholics. They do offer some good insight on what you are getting your hands on. They reviewed the YSP-1, the predecessor to the 1000 a while back as well.
The problem with audiophiles is that they're very prejudiced against Bose. Most people I've talked to look right pass my requirements and I end up repeating the same old speech over and over, I don't care about sound quality. In fact, most people who end up telling me to audition "better" systems first to "see what they sound like" have never even been next to a martin logan speaker, let alone auditioned one. Right now size, form factor, and design is my primary concern.
Believe it or not, I passed the idea of my Blose speakers by my girlfriend and she's not buying the whole idea, neither am I.
Where are the Hsu speakers? Did you mention them in the prev thread that got trashed? If so, I probably missed it.
11-28-06, 08:23 PM
if you want something "cool" looking.. not sure how they sound, i think tweeter sells them sometimes. look better than a cube to me.
I think inwall is the cool thing now, but a pain to install.
So how long do I have to live after this thing opens up and latches onto my face?
11-28-06, 08:33 PM
They are an online brand....one of my past co-workers had some, and they are pretty interesting to say the least.
The center channel is a bit large, but it's because they offload the midbass that should go to the front, left and right channels all onto the center. It seems odd, but if you can fit a typical center channel, you can have a fuller range of sound than normal with small satellite surround setups.
http://www.hsustore.com/vt12.html I think they may offer a package discount with one of their subwoofers as well.
11-28-06, 08:47 PM
Orb audio is another one: www.orbaudio.com (http://www.orbaudio.com)
Then there is it's similar, but far pricier competitor, anthony gallo: www.roundsound.com (http://www.roundsound.com)
What'd you look up, "tiny speakers" on google?
11-28-06, 08:54 PM
Bose is all marketing. I still haven't figured out why you would consider wasting money on them.
the mirage omnisat things look cooler in person.. in that pic they look like urinals for a small dog.
I thought I explained this, size. Whether it's a waste of money or not is up to the person spending it usually. A lot of my friends think its a waste to throw away $2000 on a 2 lb piece of molded plastic but I'm sure everyone here would love a madone frame. I still can't figure out why people can't get the message through the thick skull of theirs either.
The orb speakers look interesting, cept this line:
First, the electronics (amplifier and DVD player) in these systems are usually of poor quality. They typically have very little power and are not capable of producing clear highs and deep, full sound. Yes, they will probably sound better than your boombox or the speakers on your TV, but if that is all you are looking for, [/b]why bother with home theater?[b] Especially when you can get real speakers and electronics for about the same price.
Sounds like a lot of Bose type marketing. I'd really like to see them get real speakers and real electronics for $200 like some of those HTIB sets. And apparently, home theater's only for people who want the best, wilson grand slam quality sound, for those of us who want "just better than the tv speaker" sound, why bother? Elitism abound...
11-28-06, 09:07 PM
I remember these products from various audio rags and such. The Hsu I heard at my co-worker's place before...I never really critiqued it, but it was pleasing enough for HT duty. He had one of their subs too.
There are lots of small audio products out there. Wharfedale has their moviestar series, athena has their micra, and there are others as well.
Compact audio is a pretty solid industry these days. Bose's claim to fame was being the first (or first well known) to market in lots of concepts. rearward firing drivers, and his jewelcube speakers were good examples of that. Actually many of their older tower speakers used bandpass woofers inside of them, which is still extremely uncommon (501 and 701).
I have a bad habit, when I get into a hobby, I end up becoming a mental sponge and absorbing everything I can about the subject. This includes stuff that I really don't care about....like how Bose is primarily a R/D house for industry and government. Audio is a rather small slice of their business anymore. I forgot who it was, but they made a suspension system for some kind of vehicle.
I think it was lexus, they can retrofit it on any vehicle but the test video was a lexus, and it worked pretty damn well when they drove the car over a series of closely spaced speed bumps at 20mph.
11-28-06, 09:10 PM
For what it's worth, here's the audioholics review on the orbs. They aren't all that elitist, as they do review ultra-compacts and try to be fair about it.
edit: I learned to just block out that salesman style crap. There's so much quackery and snake oil in the industry that you need to just learn to ignore some crap to get anywhere. Cables are top of my list on things to ignore....power condtioniners are second.
So what the hell am I gonna do with this zero gage platinum wire that I just bought?
11-28-06, 09:25 PM
Whether it's a waste of money or not is up to the person spending it usually.
Well in this case your paying top dollar for a bottom of the line product. It may or may not sound better than a TV speaker. depends on the TV I guess.
the 400 dollar clock radio has to tell you something about a company.
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