Commuting - Light & Motion HID on sale at Perofrmance for $280

Light & Motion HID on sale at Performance for $280

The light is $349.99 and there is a coupon for 20% off all orders over $75, coupon code 6001742

The right light, the right price, the perfect time of year.

You can also get the Lithium Ion ARC for $400.

Man, I gotta learn to type, it's a shame we can't edit the title. Maybe a mod will be kind enough to do it for me.

Where's Noisebeam???

http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=3457728&postcount=51

Think ViperZ wants to step up his game? Or attract passing alien aircraft?

Think ViperZ wants to step up his game? Or attract passing alien aircraft?

:lol: I would like to add a L&M Arc to my toy list one day, but I want the Li-Ion. I'm very happy with my Alias, and I do have a new Mountain Bike to build..... :) So not right now, but thanks for thinking about me :beer:

Just curious if there are any bulk buy discounts? Would be nice if we can work out something like a Canada and USA group buy to save on price and shipping.


Zero_Enigma

I have the ARC LiIon and love it.

:lol: I would like to add a L&M Arc to my toy list one day, but I want the Li-Ion.
Edison 5
Price: US $749.00

HID Metal Halide Lamp
6.8 Amp-Hr Li-Ion Battery
Burn Time 10W: 5 Hrs.
Burn Time 16W: 3 Hrs.
Charge Time: 4 Hrs.
Weight: 470g
Light Output: 900/500 Lumens

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6466/images2fproducts2flupinsp8.jpg

I heard a korean company just released a 100lm/W LED.
Operating at 16W means 1600 lumens from a bank of these, you're out gunned. :p


Edison 5
Price: US $749.00

HID Metal Halide Lamp
6.8 Amp-Hr Li-Ion Battery
Burn Time 10W: 5 Hrs.
Burn Time 16W: 3 Hrs.
Charge Time: 4 Hrs.
Weight: 470g
Light Output: 900/500 Lumens

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6466/images2fproducts2flupinsp8.jpg

I heard a korean company just released a 100lm/W LED.
Operating at 16W means 1600 lumens from a bank of these, you're out gunned. :p

Show me a finished bike light........ :p HA!

Probably North Korea, even the bombs don't work.

Show me a finished bike light........ :p HA!

You win this round...

Edison 5
Price: US $749.00

I draw the line at lights that cost more than my good bike!

You win this round...


Today. ;)

Maybe not next year.

I heard a korean company just released a 100lm/W LED.
Operating at 16W means 1600 lumens from a bank of these, you're out gunned. :p
i think you mean these,
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20060309/114513/?ST=english

talk about 4500lumens, now that's nuts

No, this. http://flashlightnews.org/story452.shtml

240 lumens on a single LED chip.

Edison 5
Price: US $749.00

HID Metal Halide Lamp
6.8 Amp-Hr Li-Ion Battery
Burn Time 10W: 5 Hrs.
Burn Time 16W: 3 Hrs.
Charge Time: 4 Hrs.
Weight: 470g
Light Output: 900/500 Lumens



Then there is that too :D

Maybe not next year either:

As of 2005, the company projected to start shipping a 100 lm/W high-power product around 2010.

Then there is that too :D

Top 10 reasons to Consider Lupine Edison HID

1) Fits all your bikes in a second !!

2) OCP to the max ! No bracket left behind.

3) smaller

4) lighter

5) brighter

6) best charger. Too much to list here.

7) better control circuits, Too much to list.

8) Higher voltage means more starts out of a bulb.

9) Battery protected against shorts (resetable), overcharge and over discharge.

10) Factory is across the street from BMW. ......................... maybe. :rolleyes:

Where's Noisebeam???

http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=3457728&postcount=51
$18 over my limit. ;)

al

I'll give you the $18!

I'll give you the $18!
Thanks for the offer. Buy me a drink when I come back east.
I actually take back what I said in the other thread. I'm gonna use the TrailTech for the rest of the winter/dark season and then see what light prices and new lights are like for next year. When it works and is installed it is fine for the riding I do (suburban with some streetlight or rural with no light, but other riders too)

Al

Maybe it'll just blow the pcb and give out right in the middle of a 40mph descent...

Maybe it'll just blow the pcb and give out right in the middle of a 40mph descent...
Fortunately I don't do 40mph decents on my fixed gear.
Otherwise its break and hope.

But seriously, is there any data (vs. anecdote) that the TT is less reliable than the L&M?

Al

Fortunately I don't do 40mph decents on my fixed gear.
Otherwise its break and hope.

But seriously, is there any data (vs. anecdote) that the TT is less reliable than the L&M?

Al
Did you check out the links I sent you in your thread about the light dieing? Have you seen any reports like that, and so many, from any other light manufacturer?

Did you check out the links I sent you in your thread about the light dieing? Have you seen any reports like that, and so many, from any other light manufacturer?
These were mainly about lights that folks pieced together from batteryspace, using some different and some same components or older versions of the packaged version compared to the current batteryspace packaged Eclipse TrailTech 10W HID with Li-ion battery.

The problem I had (a broken PCB) has nothing to do with the problems discussed in those threads, which required an design change to fix.

Where are the reports, other than mine, of the 'packaged' system having failures?

Al

Top 10 reasons to Consider Lupine Edison HID



I only need one reason, It Kicks ass and takes names :D


http://www.mtbr.com/spotlight/lightshootout/beam_patterns/medium/802C5510.jpg

For nine hundred bucks I would need it to do the laundry, cook, and clean the bathroom.
:D
That's just me, though...

For nine hundred bucks I would need it to do the laundry, cook, and clean the bathroom.
:D
That's just me, though...

I'm just guessing here, but you could probably cook on it. Cleaning and laundry is another story though.

These were mainly about lights that folks pieced together from batteryspace, using some different and some same components or older versions of the packaged version compared to the current batteryspace packaged Eclipse TrailTech 10W HID with Li-ion battery.

The problem I had (a broken PCB) has nothing to do with the problems discussed in those threads, which required an design change to fix.

Where are the reports, other than mine, of the 'packaged' system having failures?

Al
How long have they been selling the pre-packaged light?

All of the past problems would make me very wary.

Looking at the photo's of the light itself it seems to be jerry rigged together. The battery bag, the coiled wire (I had a halogen with coiled wire, what a PITA), the fact that it's made for motorcycles....I like products which are well designed for their intended use. The Trailtech/Batteryspace light doesn't strike me as one....

How long have they been selling the pre-packaged light?

All of the past problems would make me very wary.

Looking at the photo's of the light itself it seems to be jerry rigged together. The battery bag, the coiled wire (I had a halogen with coiled wire, what a PITA), the fact that it's made for motorcycles....I like products which are well designed for their intended use. The Trailtech/Batteryspace light doesn't strike me as one....
Your right, it practically garbage, but it is statistically unreliable garbage?
Al

So what's the difference between the L&M Arc and the Arc Li-Ion?
Is the $120 price difference just for a light battery?

Looking at the photo's of the light itself it seems to be jerry rigged together. The battery bag, the coiled wire (I had a halogen with coiled wire, what a PITA), the fact that it's made for motorcycles....I like products which are well designed for their intended use. The Trailtech/Batteryspace light doesn't strike me as one....

Come on, this is just FUD.

I've got one and I readily concede that it's not as nice as an ARC (especially the heatshrink battery pack in pouch vs L&Ms tube-hugging housing) but the solder connections are solid and the mounting hardware is perfectly serviceable for a bicycle light. It's neither a rip-off nor a magical deal.

I only need one reason, It Kicks ass and takes names :D

Do I have to go back and get everyones name? :(


I have the wide beam, 18 degrees ? Here's mine.


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2188/lupineon16wminemj9.jpg

Let me be honest about the $200 Trail Tech Eclipse 10W HID Lion. Firstly it is not garbage - that was venting. It is the most effective light one can get for $250 or under, but that is the only good thing about it.

It is clearly a pieced together design vs. well planned and designed from ground up. That is where the cost savings come in. You are buying the HID/Li-ion technology, not the engineering or packaging.

The mouting bracket has a 2" thin plastic canteliever arm that causes the light to vibrate excessively under normal road vibration and very much so with bumps. This doesn't affect the visibility of the beam though, except over bumps you see the beam shake, but it can't help with bulb life. The mount has two quick disconnects which is unneccessary, but is evidence of the pieced together design. The linear quick disconnect is not tight due to poor tollerances and adds to the vibration problem. The metal head unit attaches to the mount using multiple metal washers and a wing nut that can not be tightened enough by hand to prevent the light from shifting during normal use. Even when I have tightened with wrench, it still shifts from the impact of bumps. This connection point is again evidence of a pieced together design.

The cable is too long and uses coiled wire that has a unflexible and bulky connection in the middle betwen the 4' leads. This makes it more difficult to quickly install or remove the unit. The connection point should be at one end or both. The coiled wire sounds good on paper, but makes routing and storing extra cable a real hassle. Coiled cable can not be easily routed along frame tubes, nor the excess wrapped up without bulk.

The battery bag is a joke. It is too small to hold the battery and 4' of excess cable. It can not be attached anywhere practical on the bike due to the off center strap design and it uses metal snaps that are not secure and straps of a fixed length that can not hold tightly. The first thing I did to make the light useable was buy a $20 Bento Box to hold the battery and excess cable.

The switch has a flat 2" back and can not be mounted anywhere nicely on a bike. There is no flat surface on a bike that it can be put flush against, so mine is velcroed to a round stem and doesn't stay put.

The PCB in the battery is just laid against the uneven surface of the battery cells and there is no protective material to prevent damage from point impacts or pressure on the PCB. I suspect this is why mine developed a failure as it may have been laying against the top tube of my bike in the Bento Box - I've since put a foam liner to protect. Under the heat shrink the PCB was held against the battery cells using random strips of clear office type tape. Not evidence of care in assembly.

Customer service in my experience was friendly and helpful.

Al

Agree 100% noisebeam.

Let me be honest about the $200 Trail Tech Eclipse 10W HID Lion.


:beer:

What a great headlight review! One of the best I've seen. I learned a lot from this thread.

:beer:

What a great headlight review! One of the best I've seen. I learned a lot from this thread.

Me too! Noisebeam should send a link to batteryspace.com and collect the "$30 off next order" they offer for reviewing their products on a public forum. Not that he's likely to make another order... dunno, new bulb or something maybe.

Great review, noisebeam!
That's what happens when you have a group of non-cyclists (my assumption) come up with cycling accessories. The design of the bar/light mount assembly didn't appeal to me to begin with.

i think you mean these,
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20060309/114513/?ST=english

talk about 4500lumens, now that's nuts

OMG I'm drooling already. I think it's safe to say it's time to start saving up for when a bike light is made with those. :)


Zero_Enigma

For nine hundred bucks I would need it to do the laundry, cook, and clean the bathroom.
:D
That's just me, though...

If I was to spend $900, it just needs to put the most light on the road I can afford, that's just me though :D



Do I have to go back and get everyones name? :(

Nah, the Light already did it for you :lol:

Nah, the Light already did it for you :lol:

I'm not trying to affect your future buying decisions in any way ViperZ.


http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8875/homepagerb4.gif

:lol:

Look away from the light..... Zzzzpat!!!


http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/bug-zapper-ch.jpg

Let me be honest about the $200 Trail Tech Eclipse 10W HID Lion. Firstly it is not garbage - that was venting. It is the most effective light one can get for $250 or under, but that is the only good thing about it.

It is clearly a pieced together design vs. well planned and designed from ground up. That is where the cost savings come in. You are buying the HID/Li-ion technology, not the engineering or packaging.

The mouting bracket has a 2" thin plastic canteliever arm that causes the light to vibrate excessively under normal road vibration and very much so with bumps. This doesn't affect the visibility of the beam though, except over bumps you see the beam shake, but it can't help with bulb life. The mount has two quick disconnects which is unneccessary, but is evidence of the pieced together design. The linear quick disconnect is not tight due to poor tollerances and adds to the vibration problem. The metal head unit attaches to the mount using multiple metal washers and a wing nut that can not be tightened enough by hand to prevent the light from shifting during normal use. Even when I have tightened with wrench, it still shifts from the impact of bumps. This connection point is again evidence of a pieced together design.

The cable is too long and uses coiled wire that has a unflexible and bulky connection in the middle betwen the 4' leads. This makes it more difficult to quickly install or remove the unit. The connection point should be at one end or both. The coiled wire sounds good on paper, but makes routing and storing extra cable a real hassle. Coiled cable can not be easily routed along frame tubes, nor the excess wrapped up without bulk.

The battery bag is a joke. It is too small to hold the battery and 4' of excess cable. It can not be attached anywhere practical on the bike due to the off center strap design and it uses metal snaps that are not secure and straps of a fixed length that can not hold tightly. The first thing I did to make the light useable was buy a $20 Bento Box to hold the battery and excess cable.

The switch has a flat 2" back and can not be mounted anywhere nicely on a bike. There is no flat surface on a bike that it can be put flush against, so mine is velcroed to a round stem and doesn't stay put.

The PCB in the battery is just laid against the uneven surface of the battery cells and there is no protective material to prevent damage from point impacts or pressure on the PCB. I suspect this is why mine developed a failure as it may have been laying against the top tube of my bike in the Bento Box - I've since put a foam liner to protect. Under the heat shrink the PCB was held against the battery cells using random strips of clear office type tape. Not evidence of care in assembly.

Customer service in my experience was friendly and helpful.

Al
Thanks for the excellent review. You have confirmed my suspicions about this light. As someone who rides over icy cobblestone streets in temperatures down to -30c, good design and functionality are paramount. I've ridden with jerry-rigged lights, never again will I.

:lol:

Look away from the light..... Zzzzpat!!!



:beer:

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