General Cycling Discussion - Bike lock idea
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04-17-03, 09:28 AM
I was reading yesterday about these super bike locks that cost up to $80. All they are is a chain with a rubber coating and a padlock. :eek:
Has anyone ever gone to the hardware store bought a chain, electrical tape and a padlock? Then all you have to do is wrap the chain and padlock in the electrical tape and use it on your bike.
Call me crazy, but I think that's what I'm gonna do for my bike. You can get the exact thickness and weight of chain you want. Everything is custom so it's up to you!
What do you guys think?
04-17-03, 09:59 AM
You won't get an anti-theft warranty from the hardware store though.
the metal found in those "super bike locks that cost up to $80" (which is cheap, by the way) is a hell of a lot stronger than what you'll find at your local hardware store.
there's a reason these locks cost so much. they're not just another chain.
04-17-03, 01:06 PM
Well currently, and for the rest of the summer, I'm living in an area where the only thefts I have EVER heard of are of unlocked bikes.
I can't think of one time when I heard the bike was locked and stolen.
That being said, I'm sure there have to be different grades of chain available at the store. I'll just have to take a trip down there and see what they have. Then I'll ask my buddy who is a metallurgist research scientist what chain is best.
Would it be better to buy a bike lock with $1000 of insurance or just put the bike on your renters insurance? Has anyone ever tried to collect from either of these places?
What's the address there? I'll be right over with my bolt cutters and pick set. :rolleyes: Chain and Padlock? You've GOT to be kidding. :rolleyes:
FWIW The ONLY Lock and Chain setups I'd suggest to anybody are the Kryptonite NY Chain w/EV Disc Lock (http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/PublicArticleDetails@public?artid=2736&atf=products_item&pgrp=20) (I use this)
The Kryptonite NY Noose w/EV Disc - Short (http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/PublicArticleDetails@public?artid=2735&atf=products_item&pgrp=20)
and the Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit (http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/PublicArticleDetails@public?artid=3037&atf=products_item&pgrp=20)
As far as your insurance question: I do both, and I still have my bikes.
04-17-03, 01:42 PM
from kryptonite's website:
Six-sided (11mm) hexagonal chain links made of triple heat-treated boron manganese steel for ultimate strength
normal chains are like butter to a mini boltcutter. i imagine these chains would be a pain to cut off.
04-17-03, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by CranialCrusader
I can't think of one time when I heard the bike was locked and stolen
bikes get stolen a lot on the college campus near me, usually when they are locked up outside overnight.
one of my friends (idiot) left his bike worth about 300 dollars outside for less than 10 minutes and it was gone.
Your buddy got off cheap.
04-17-03, 01:57 PM
You all really believe that even if I'm not in a theft prone area I still need to buy an $80 lock and chain?
Why do you advocate this particular brand so much? There must be a better/easier/cheaper/lighter way! (The engineer in me is speaking)
Are the U locks any good that can be had for ~$30?
Sorry, this is all new to me. Back in the day I had a $10 cable lock that never failed me. I never even thought twice about it.
$80 just seems to be a bit much.
I guess they say ignorance is bliss. Maybe not after my bike gets stolen!
If you're not in a theft prone area a GOOD cable lock should suffice. U-locks are a good way to go but remember You get what you pay for so $30 bucks will get you diddly.
As for the brand loyalty They're the only locks (in several independant tests) that a bike theif couldn't get through in 30 seconds. The theives KNOW this.
The key to locking your bike is to make the amount of work that the thief will have to do to get your bike outweigh the idea of finding easier pickings.
If you really want the skinny on locking your bike go here: Lock Strategy (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html) while you're there look at some of the other articles. The Man has his stuff together when it comes to bikes.
edit: could to couldn't
04-17-03, 02:17 PM
I have never heard of anyone getting money back from Kryptonite when their bike was stolen - for example the fence that the bike was locked to was broken by the thief. Cables are a lot more suitable for locking bikes to available objects, like trees and streetlights, but you still need a quality lock with the cable.
The warranty covers the lock - NOT what the bike was locked to. If you're dumb enough to lock your bike to a chain link fence that I can cut with a good pair of snips you got what you deserved. You have to be careful as to what you're locking to - not just what you use to lock up with.
Having said that I only use a cable lock alone when the bike never leaves my sight, ie: stopping off at the BBQ stand on the local Rail-Trail and I'll be sitting next to it VERY soon.
I agree $80 is expensive, but how much is your bike worth? You said putting it on you're renters insurance, what is you deductible on that? It would be interesting to find out what hassles you have to go through to get money out of krytponite if your bike is stolen.
Specialized also makes a couple good locks.. and there are 1-2 other companies that make good locks. As for the hardware store chains.. I would not trust it, look how easy they cut it to length for you? Okie go down to a boat store and pickup a anchor chain where each link weighs about 2 pouns I would probably trust that :) But then the other factor there, that padlock you are using is also a VERY weak point.
One other point: Kryptonite pays when the lock is to blame for failing under conventional attack. Conventional attacks to not include attacks with a die grinder or other motorized tool. Since those cases are few and far between they will also investigate the failure to prove how the lock failed. If there is no lock availiable for the investigation then the method used can't be proven. Would YOU pay when it can't be proven that your product was to blame? I rest my case.
04-17-03, 03:03 PM
I have no bike right now, it's going to cost about $1000 though when I get it. (See my post in cyclecross if you want to see what I'm going to get)
I also have no renters insurance, but I was planning on getting it in the fall. I can't imagine that it would be too expensive. The sum total of all my stuff is probably about $5000 in value.
So now I know that those theft guarantees are worthless and that I need to lock up to something as good as the lock I'm using. Good stuff to know!!
Given all of this, what would you recommend? How about a decent Kryptonite or Specialized U or cable lock depending on what strikes my fancy online.
Although it seems silly to me to pay so much money for a bike that is going to be lightweight, then add 3lbs by carrying a bike lock around with me all the time. At night the bike is coming INSIDE my apartment. Just during the daylight Iíll have to park it near the engineering building.
Get a Kryptonite lock that gets left at work / school or wherever you lock up outside. (Nobody's going to steal an empty lock, that would be stupid.)
A good cable lock for those short hops is a good idea that doesn't weigh much. Personally the one I use is a Specialized Slim Rapper.
The guarantees aren't worthless just SPECIFIC too many people blame the lock for thier own stupidity. (see above)
The last bit has me confused:
At night the bike is coming INSIDE my apartment. Just during the daylight Iíll have to park it near the engineering building
The engineering building at your apartment complex or at work / school? If at home WTF? Why should they care if you bring your stuff inside?
I own a simple cable lock made by zefal for short hops.. and I rarely carry it with me. It is mainly for when I run into the bank and can't see my bike for less the 5 minutes..Never leave it alone more then that unless it is in my house, it just looks to lonely otherwise.
04-17-03, 03:44 PM
I should have been a bit more descriptive.
I'll use the bike to commute to school from my apartment. Which means I'll have to lock it up near the engineering building.
At night I need to come back to my apartment, which means I can bring it inside with me.
There ya go then: Leave the lock at school. Whatever you do DON'T cheap out on your lock. The cheaper the lock the easier it is to steal. (as a rule)
04-17-03, 03:58 PM
In my experience, the insurance only covers your bike up to a certain amount, maybe only a couple of hundred, depending on the company, unless you get a specific rider for each individual bike, for it's value.
04-17-03, 05:45 PM
I think I'm gonna get one of those Specialized Slim Rappers to start off with. I think that will be a fine lock for where I am now.
Then in the fall I'll buy a more durable U lock. For when I'll be locking it outside for extended periods while I'm at school.
Thanks a bunch for all the help!
04-17-03, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Raiyn
[color=blue]Get a Kryptonite lock that gets left at work / school or wherever you lock up outside. (Nobody's going to steal an empty lock, that would be stupid.)
I dunno, if I was a determined college bike thief, and saw that every day a $1000 bike was chained to this lock, and that the lock got left all alone every night....
Well, I would consider finding a way to saw through a chain link at night, when nobody much would be watching the rack, and if they were, I could just say the lock rusted shut and I'm trying to remove it.
Then I'd glue the sawed link back together. Next day, when the bike was locked up...I could walk up, snap the glued link with my bare hands, and walk off with a new bike. :D
Aren't you glad I'm not a bike thief?
First, that would have to be one heck of a saw blade to get through triple heat-treated boron manganese steel that and you'd need a LOT of time. Second, if the owner of the bike had half a brain in his head he'd inspect the lock and locking point prior to commiting his bike. Several forum members have been leaving thier locks at work for years with no problems so I don't think he'll have a problem. Third, bike theft is a crime of opportunity, if there are easier pickings to be had they'll go elsewhere. If there is a $400 bike locked up with a cable lock or a cheap (ie: Bell) U-lock and the $1000 spanky bike on the same rack 99 times out of 100 they'll take the bike that's easier to get. Personally I have a serviceable but less expensive bike to use as my commuter, and I keep my expensive baby at home.
I have been using the Krypto chain and lock. It's only about $25, and works fine in my area. It looks like that big chained lock in the pic above; but has a round padlock that uses a key. I need to find something to wrap the chain; it is much too good at marking up my frame.
It should have come with a heavy nylon sleeve.
04-18-03, 02:04 PM
The warranties are only for a year then after that you have to pay for extended insurance (atleast thats what it is for those master lock hand cuffs).
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