Training & Nutrition - nutrition

I am interested in finding our what the main complaints are with respects to health and cycling and related nutritional needs. what nutritional supplements are available specificaly for cyclists? do you believe there is a market for such products? I would like to share my knowledge with you, but first I would like to hear what you have to say.

Main complaint about nutrition - every different viewpoint on the spectrum has scientific proof their view is right, and others are wrong. Each view has financial livelyhood based on people believing their view. End result is no one knows whats right, and whats wrong anymore or who to beleive.

Nutrtional suppliment for cyclists - EPO :)

Market for them ? Sure. Cyclists wil buy darn near anything if it helps them race uphill.

Share your knowledge? Im a sceptic, id say your wanting to sell us something more than share knowledge, but go ahead.

Supplements are a waste of money, in my opinion. There is a huge market for the stuff, as evidenced by the load of junk out there for sale. You wouldn't by chance be trying to sell something, would you?

Considering that supplements are typically derived from foods to begin with, you might as well eat the food and save yourself the cost of processing, packaging, distribution and sales costs. I prefer the taste of real food versus pills. :)

Considering that supplements are typically derived from foods to begin with, you might as well eat the food and save yourself the cost of processing, packaging, distribution and sales costs. I prefer the taste of real food versus pills. :)

+1

All things in moderation, including going overboard :).

people, people, people! "Pills" make you feel like you are doing the right thing. Right? So wouldn't a paste that you can eject from a munitions shaped metallic container make you feel even more healthy and masculine?...Now, you can not only "feel" like you are doing the right thing, but also look[I]like you are.:D think: I [I]feel and look so healthy right now!

suggestion: I want to look and feel healthy. Hint: I'll buy it.
suggestion#2: share your knowledge and I promise not to be silly anymore.

Actually share some before & after pictures of scantily-clad chics and I'd gladly listen! :)

If there was something that would allow you to go beyond bonking out and never bonk again would that be something that would interest the avid cyclist? Just for information. I am a female cyclist of 6 years and have had variouse related health problems. I am also interested in finding a solution to my problems as well as helping fellow cyclists. Keep responding. Tell me the problem I will find the solution!!

Yeah right, no such thing as "never" in life. "Oh, I wuv you! I'll never cheat and I'll never leave you!"... uh huh....

My problem is I'm trying to break a 4-hour century solo. Energy-expenditures comes in at around 1000-1100 calories/hour. Been able to do it with 5-man TTT, but not solo. I'm thinking an IV-drip of glucose-solution directly into the bloodstream to bypass the digestive system's limited absorption-rate would be the answer....

If there was something that would allow you to go beyond bonking out and never bonk again would that be something that would interest the avid cyclist? Just for information. I am a female cyclist of 6 years and have had variouse related health problems. I am also interested in finding a solution to my problems as well as helping fellow cyclists. Keep responding. Tell me the problem I will find the solution!!
Somebody beat you to the solution to that problem. They're carbohydrates.

Now that you mentioned it though, I do have this problem. I want to be faster, but it takes a lot of time. I'd be most appreciative if you had anything to fix that. I bet even an avid cyclist would but it.

Unfortunately, all the really good stuff requires injecting with a hypodermic needle otherwise your stomach-acids will digest it and render its effects useless... This is what team-doctors are for....

I am a female cyclist of 16 years and have had various health related problems too.

I am also an ultra-distance cyclist and can ride 24-hour events (24 hours straight through with no sleep) and 1200K randonnees without bonking. I do it by following a sensible eating plan.

1. I start with a good supper the night before,
2. I have a breakfast of around 500 calories,
3. I consume about 250-300 calories per hour for the first 6-8 hours,
4. Somewhere around the 6-8 hour point I consume of a meal of 500-1000 calories,
5. I get back on the bicycle again and return to consuming 250-300 calories per hour for the next 4-6 hours
6. Somewhere around the 4-6 hour point I consume another meal of 500-1000 calories
........ and repeat till the ride is done!

As for what I eat ... I eat what I crave because once you are fit, your body will tell you what you need. Plus when you put your body under that kind of stress, many cyclists suffer from digestive issues and you have a much better chance of keeping the food down if you eat what you crave. And my cravings are all over the map: beef jerky, pizza, bacon and eggs, cinamon buns, orange juice, garlic toast, etc. etc. just to name a few.

However, since you're asking about products, here's what I'd like:

Something very small (a pill would be great or maybe an energy bar the size of a chocolate "Turtle") with a nice mix of carbs, protein, and fat amounting to about 300 calories each. If someone could produce that ... I'd be very interested! :)

Something very small (a pill would be great or maybe an energy bar the size of a chocolate "Turtle") with a nice mix of carbs, protein, and fat amounting to about 300 calories each. If someone could produce that ... I'd be very interested! :)I think Willy Wonka's Everlasting Gobstopper is what you're looking for... :)

what nutritional supplements are available specificaly for cyclists? Other than the lousy grammar and spelling, can anyone tell me what else is wrong with this post?

Are their any supplements available that specifically keep me from being a wise-azz?

Thank you for giving me a decent answer. I find you comments very informative. That is all I have asked from you guys nothing else. I am sorry if my grammer is not up to par, I will make an effort to improve.

I would like to share my knowledge with you


I am still curious about what knowledge you have to share.

Are their any supplements available that specifically keep me from being a wise-azz?


Sure, a little diazepam and morphine will have you telling everyone you love them in no time flat.

I am still curious about what knowledge you have to share.


Yeah! Me too!! I want to know if someone is finally working on the "Meal Pill". :D

Thank you for giving me a decent answer. I find you comments very informative. That is all I have asked from you guys nothing else. I am sorry if my grammer is not up to par, I will make an effort to improve.Are you from Nigeria?

Sure, a little diazepam and morphine will have you telling everyone you love them in no time flat.

throw a little Vicodin in there, and I'll take whatever Mr. Crainium doesn't want :D

there are to many supplements out there. the market is saturated. i don't think you really understand, the term bonking, it's old and not used to much now, anbody remember that supplement that was out 4 or 5 years ago, bottle of bonk or bonk in a bottle, somthing like that, by one of the big vitamin companies, they had to withdraw it, after a huge lawsuit, thats when everybody stopped using bonking. get up to date with your terminology, if your planning on giving us something new.

there are to many supplements out there. the market is saturated. i don't think you really understand, the term bonking, it's old and not used to much now, anbody remember that supplement that was out 4 or 5 years ago, bottle of bonk or bonk in a bottle, somthing like that, by one of the big vitamin companies, they had to withdraw it, after a huge lawsuit, thats when everybody stopped using bonking. get up to date with your terminology, if your planning on giving us something new.

There are a lot of supplements on the market already ... sadly a lot of them are not available in Canada or other countries. Many are not available here in Canada because they are illegal. And there's still room for one more supplement ... the "meal pill" has still not been created!!! :D

You must be new to cycling ... the term "bonk" is still very commonly used among cyclists.

However, I will agree with you that the OP did not appear to understand the fundamental principles behind bonking or else she would not have stated that by using a single product a cyclist would never bonk again.

I hate the current selection of flavors in supplements. I'd like to see more Asian and South Asian flavors like tikka masala or lime leaf.

To simplify things, the answers to your questions are none and sure they're plenty of suckers out there. Start by marketing the product(s) to those that bought Pet Rocks.

However, I will agree with you that the OP did not appear to understand the fundamental principles behind bonking or else she would not have stated that by using a single product a cyclist would never bonk again.I think bonking means something else completely different in the southern hemisphere. If she can provide me with a pill that allows me to bonk any time I want, I'd gladly pay $1mil for a year's supply....

I think bonking means something else completely different in the southern hemisphere. If she can provide me with a pill that allows me to bonk any time I want, I'd gladly pay $1mil for a year's supply....

You can get that for less than 1mil/year.

Original posted Quote:
what nutritional supplements are available specifically for cyclists?

My quote - Other than the lousy grammar and spelling, can anyone tell me what else is wrong with this post? Are their any supplements available that specifically keep me from being a wise-azz?
OK, nobody "got it". Supplements and drugs are not "sport specific." Certainly some kinds of supplement a sport more than others. Drugs and other agents enhance certain metabolic processes, not a given exercise or sporting activity.

There are number of drugs that can effectively limit "bonking" until total exhaustion ensues - no big deal as long dementia and heart failure don't count as side-effects. I suggest the thread starter go reread the "top ten myth list".......

You guys drive me nuts. I am asking for your opinion only, I am not asking for anything else. This is something that I know I would take advantage of. 15 years ago I was seriously ill and decided to turn away from western medicine. I regained my health and more through Naturopathic Doctors, most I found on the eastern seaboard. I started cycling 6 years ago and came up against athletic related health issues and problems. I found whome I believe to be the best Naturopath out there, he changed my life. I would like to help other people - cyclists/athletes to see there are alternatives that could possibly work for them also. This Naturopath is willing to give his time becouse he cares, its a shame you guys cant see a good thing even when it is staring you in the face. Instead of thinking of all the negative stuff why not look on the positive side, you have nothing to lose and your health to gain. Over to you!!

You guys drive me nuts. I am asking for your opinion only, I am not asking for anything else. This is something that I know I would take advantage of. 15 years ago I was seriously ill and decided to turn away from western medicine. I regained my health and more through Naturopathic Doctors, most I found on the eastern seaboard. I started cycling 6 years ago and came up against athletic related health issues and problems. I found whome I believe to be the best Naturopath out there, he changed my life. I would like to help other people - cyclists/athletes to see there are alternatives that could possibly work for them also. This Naturopath is willing to give his time becouse he cares, its a shame you guys cant see a good thing even when it is staring you in the face. Instead of thinking of all the negative stuff why not look on the positive side, you have nothing to lose and your health to gain. Over to you!!

"Only an opinion" will give you lots of stuff, an probably most of it will be not what you want to hear or will drive you "nuts"

You come across as very vauge, you only give bits and peices of what has worked for you, and what you supposed problems were. In this way you sound like an infomercial trying to sell something even though you may not be. Are you able to articulate what the naturopath did for you and the reason it worked. Or will it be another, but wait thats not all, moment.

Tell us about your experience, there may be some here that will ridicule you but there will me many others that will listen objectivly to what you have to say in silence. You do not have to answer the people that ridicule you no matter what you may say. It is your choice to make your voice public, and no matter what you say there are going to be people ridiculing you.

15 years ago I was extremely ill, constant ailments infections, tired all the time and border line dabetic. I gave up on western medicine but was lucky to find a Doctor that referred me to a nutritionist. From then on my life changed, I gradually regained my health and vitality and had never felt or looked better, I found I was allergic to so many things it was crazy, we addressed the issues and I have never looked back. I started cycling 6 years ago and found I would have to stop every few miles or I would get a terrible headache, feel sick, no energy could not go on, I found coffee to help somewhat at keeping the headaches at bay, but not a safe thing to do on a regular basis. So I again turned to Nauropathic medicine, I can now cycle and push myself beyond what used to be my limits and have energy to spare. I am not like some of you and go out on a 100k every week, But it feels great to push past what used to be my stopping point. The Naturopathic Doctor I use is willing to start up a call in line so cyclists/athletes can discuss health related issues. I think its a great idea and one that should be taken advantage of, I know it works for me, what do you have to lose - time.

your not asking our opinion, your trying to sell us something, why else would you be pluggin this so called doctor.
we are not negative people. fed up of people like you.
the only positve is for you to make money out of this BS.

sounds like there was no SERIOUS illness as you stated previously, just infectctions.
sounds like you don't cycle much either.
tell us your not selling us anything

The thing is, we're all alike in that we've got a human body with human genes. There's a predictability and pattern to how it behaves. There have been many before us that have taken this body about as close to its limits as possible. There hasn't been any major breakthroughs in performance for the body in decades, just incremental improvements as will future increases. By "performance" I mean measurable results:

- sprinting/top-speeds of 45mph+
- continuous average-speeds of 30mph or so
- 100-mile century times of 4-hours or less (yes in a single day)
- complete recovery within 24-hours
- 500-mile weeks over and over again


I can now cycle and push myself beyond what used to be my limits and have energy to spare. I am not like some of you and go out on a 100k every week, But it feels great to push past what used to be my stopping point.This is called training. It makes your body stronger. Keep on riding and ride faster and farther each time with sufficient recovery in between. Many people have done it before you, just find the results you want and follow in their footsteps. Personally for me, the path I follow are the ones who've made it to the top of the cycling field, the TDF and Olympic champions.

I found I was allergic to so many things it was crazy, we addressed the issues and I have never looked back.

I'm allergic, intolerent to, and/or sensitive to a whole pile of things too. But all that hasn't stopped me from doing all the cycling I do ... I just have to do a few things differently from other cyclists. However, my approach has been to take Claritin to ease the effects of my allergy to canola and other airborne substances, to avoid wearing certain types of clothing, and to avoid eating certain types of food. Simple and inexpensive.



I started cycling 6 years ago and found I would have to stop every few miles or I would get a terrible headache, feel sick, no energy could not go on,

Have a look at my "About Me" page here:
http://www.machka.net/aboutme.htm

What you describe when you first started cycling sounds very similar to how I (and many others) felt when I (and many others) first started cycling. It's normal! You felt that way because you were out of shape.



I can now cycle and push myself beyond what used to be my limits and have energy to spare. I am not like some of you and go out on a 100k every week, But it feels great to push past what used to be my stopping point.

Again, this is normal ... you can cycle and push yourself beyond what used to be your limits because you are getting into shape. You could have done this without the naturopathic doctor if you wanted. In fact, I can tell you how you can push past your current level if you were interested.



The Naturopathic Doctor I use is willing to start up a call in line so cyclists/athletes can discuss health related issues. I think its a great idea and one that should be taken advantage of, I know it works for me, what do you have to lose - time.

Let me ask you a few questions:

1) Does the doctor cycle?
2) Does the doctor do any other forms of exercise?
3) What are the doctor's medical credentials?
4) Has the doctor studied sports medicine?
5) Is the doctor willing to offer all his advice for free?

great questions, i have asked the op similar. seems the op refuses to answer any serious questions

The call in line will begin in February of 2007, you may want to call in or not that is up to you as individuals. The Naturopath has studied and researched alternative medicine for more than 30 years, he will be available and more than willing to answer any of your questions. I will keep you informed. I wish you all a great New Year.

Still Did Not Answer Machka's Questions

Id venture a forecast that for every person who calls in, and explains their problem, the diagnosis and treatment would be to buy some naturopathic suppliments that will help. And the call in line would possibly have a per min cost.

Let me ask you a few questions:

1) Does the doctor cycle?
2) Does the doctor do any other forms of exercise?
3) What are the doctor's medical credentials?
4) Has the doctor studied sports medicine?
5) Is the doctor willing to offer all his advice for free?In addition to that, I'd like to ask:

6) how many state, national, TDF or Olympic champions has this doctor produced?


BTW - I haven't been sick in over 10-years since getting out of school. I don't attend classes anymore and have increased my partying & happy-hours, liquor is the magic elixir! No physician's prescription necessary! :)

BTW - I haven't been sick in over 10-years since getting out of school. I don't attend classes anymore and have increased my partying & happy-hours, liquor is the magic elixir! No physician's prescription necessary! :)


It must be nice not to have the stress of school upon you. Only 2.5 years left, I can't wait to not be sick from/of school.

Stress of school ?

20 years from now your gonna look back and realize that WAS the stress free period of life, heh.

It must be nice not to have the stress of school upon you. Only 2.5 years left, I can't wait to not be sick from/of school.I don't know what it was, but I usually got sick around finals time. Must've been all those other sickos out there hacking and coughing in class. I thought school was pretty tough because I worked to put myself through and took some quarters off to work and save up money. Working the same job after getting out was a lot easier without homework everyday. All the time I used to spend studying was replaced with partying & drinking! Hang in there, you're almost done! :)

Stress of school ?

20 years from now your gonna look back and realize that WAS the stress free period of life, heh.


You may be right. When I have days when my customers are dying right and left I will probably wish that I was back in school, studying for that godforsaken pharmacology exam on Tuesday, that I am *****!ng my pants over!

I don't know what it was, but I usually got sick around finals time. Must've been all those other sickos out there hacking and coughing in class. I thought school was pretty tough because I worked to put myself through and took some quarters off to work and save up money. Working the same job after getting out was a lot easier without homework everyday. All the time I used to spend studying was replaced with partying & drinking! Hang in there, you're almost done! :)


It's funny, most people in my class get sick around finals. I got sick the weekend before 2 major papers, so hopefully I will not be sick at christmas.

I could probably use some good homeopathic stuff right now, whatever that may be. Or just a good long bike ride. Yeah right:o

The Naturopath has studied and researched alternative medicine for more than 30 years, he will be available and more than willing to answer any of your questions.Ok, now I get it, my doctor is smarter than your doctor. That's fine, I can't afford either.

Actually this same type of scenario is played out among competing philosophies of strictly western medicine. My pills are better than your surgery.

It's funny, most people in my class get sick around finals. I got sick the weekend before 2 major papers, so hopefully I will not be sick at christmas.


Tell me about it!! I started to feel a little "off" on Friday night right before my first exam which was Saturday morning. By Saturday morning I was definitely sick ... and it just went downhill from there. I wrote two exams today, and had to leave the first one twice to go and throw up. Fortunately I managed to keep it all in for the second one, but am I ever feverish, congested, and generally feeling horrible. Oh well ... only two more exams to go. Must go and try to study.

I am interested in L-arginine and L- Citrulline....

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Nitric-Oxide-to-Improve-Your-Health

One recent study showed divers less likely to form bubbles.....I dive deep a lot so that intrigues me although I am not counting on it.

I have the same question about HCL breaking the amino acids apart.

It's funny, most people in my class get sick around finals. I got sick the weekend before 2 major papers, so hopefully I will not be sick at christmas.

I could probably use some good homeopathic stuff right now, whatever that may be. Or just a good long bike ride. Yeah right:o


Can you say "STRESS"? It wreaks havoc with your immune system.
We can, and do, bring it upon ourselves. When I was studying for my 1st undergraduate degree, I stayed up one stretch for 3 days straight cramming for finals. I got nice and sick during that christmas break right after finals. The doctor said it was the flu, and I had probably weakend my immune system by stressing out over the finals that quarter. I never tried to take 18 hours in a single quarter again. That was just insane.

Can you say "STRESS"? It wreaks havoc with your immune system.
We can, and do, bring it upon ourselves. When I was studying for my 1st undergraduate degree, I stayed up one stretch for 3 days straight cramming for finals. I got nice and sick during that christmas break right after finals. The doctor said it was the flu, and I had probably weakend my immune system by stressing out over the finals that quarter. I never tried to take 18 hours in a single quarter again. That was just insane.

My current term is 22 hours, plus working part-time. I think it's probably the heaviest term I've ever done in number of hours in classes. Fortunately, I guess, about 7 hours of that is labs, so that part didn't add significantly to the homework amount. But I'll think twice about taking that many hours again!

thats what i've been saying. it's a scam, by some back street voodo idiot.