Classic & Vintage - ID these Campy hubs?

Ok, when I went to pick up my Freddie Grubb today, I was offered a wheelset built on these hubs (as far as I can tell), and Fiamme tubular rims. I told the guy that they were probably worth a good deal, and he should ebay them, but I want to give him the option to sell them to me for a lower price, if he doesn't want to do the cleaning and listing etc. I want to get a good idea what they're really worth, because I don't want to rip the guy off. If I can tell him what they are, and what they'd likely fetch on ebay if cleaned and listed properly, then I don't mind offering him half that. So, what are they?

http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~campa/s-R01000121111.jpg

Look like Tipo, but I don't think the skewer nut is the correct one. Check eBay for completed auctions to give you and idea of value. Definitely not as pricey as NR.

Looks like you're right, and also that they only go for perhaps $50 a pair as bare hubs, even in great condition.

They look like 3-piece Gran Sport high (large) flange. I would say they are worth substantially more than $50. I will be sending a PM shortly.

I don't know for sure if those are precisely the hubs. They were just the nearest that I could find online. I saw these wheels in a dark garage, covered in grease, this morning, so I might need some IDing clues if we're going to get excited about them. The next chance I'd get to have a look at them would be Friday next week.

Hmmm. I've been hunting online, and it looks like the easy differentiation is whether the hub is one piece, or three piece. Looking at the pics, the Gran Sport look more like what I saw, but that might just be wishful thinking on my part.

The ones pictured are the Gran Sport hubs with chromed steel centers. Nuovo Tipo look similar, but are all aluminum and have smaller holes.

I believe the all alluminum tops (at least the later ones) do not have the smaller drilled holes between the large holes and closer to the hub. If they wheel set is indeed what you have picture I believe they can be worth quite a bit.

if they are 3-piece with chrome steel barrel, they are gran sport

they usually sell for less than nuovo record hubsets
they could be more interesting if they have early quick release style or an early locknut date
(they were introduced around 1953)

check for the "open c"

Open C?

Whoa! No!

"if they are 3-piece with chrome steel barrel, they are gran sport they usually sell for less than nuovo record hubsets they could be more interesting if they have early quick release style or an early locknut date (they were introduced around 1953) check for the "open c""

The 3-piece (steel centers, aluminum flanges), original Gran Sport (as pictured, don't know what you saw) especially the high-flange are somewhat rare and hard to come by these days, easily worth over 200. bucks in good shape. They were probably obsolete in the mid to late 50s. By all means get them if you can. Worth WAY more than Nuovo Record.

Nuovo Tipos are all aluminum, with large round holes, and are worth less than Nuovo Record. With those, the small flange are less common than the large.

Open C refers to an early design of the Campagnolo lettering. The C is more of a horseshoe shape than the ends being complete and round. Collectors find that valuable, though it means nothing to me except selling a pair of skewers for $200. on ebay a few years ago!

well it's all subjective, but fwiw i would estimate their selling price in Very good condition, to be less than or about $200..
o, also, i think he was talking about a wheelset..
i see the large flange versions way more often than the small..
if they come with the correct skewers, the value goes up a bit
the LF GS were introduced in 1953
the first record hubs in 1958
nuovo tipo in 1967

gran sport rear hub 40h (slightly unusual drilling), $41:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Campagnolo-Large-High-Flange-Hubs_W0QQitemZ180052735892QQihZ008QQcategoryZ56197QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

gran sport hubset 32/40h, very good condition, $181:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Campagnolo-Large-High-Flange-Hubs_W0QQitemZ180052735892QQihZ008QQcategoryZ56197QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Both links took me to the $181 hub set, which is more than I would expect a record high flange road hub set to sell for, I expect those to sell for around $100 maybe a bit more it the pics and discription is really good and the hubs have no discernable blemishes. I think that if they are open C and you state it in the auction and take good pics of it you would probably bring over $300 for the hubs alone. (note the hubs in the above auction make no mention of open or closed C and there are no pictures where you could see if but in writing this I am thinking I should go back to see if people asked that question) Clean-up the wheelset and you could be rolling in it. Sam I think you should go back and inspect the hubs, if you can get them for a reasonable price without "ripping the guy off" I would do it. keep in mind they would need to be cleaned and you have to go through the process of listing an excellent auction to get the dough so for him to sell to you they are worth far less. Then you can either enjoy your new awesome wheels or turn a profit which pays for your time and effort to polish and list them.

Edit: Upon closer inspection they look like they could be open C but you would need confirmation and the seller has displayed nothing to that effect.

sammyboy...you are truly a class act doing all the research so that you don't rip this guy off. classier than me that's for sure. :)

Here's what I'd do.

Ask him how much he wants. If fair, buy them. If not, pull out cash equal to whatever you feel is fair and offer that. If he takes it, sold!

Ripping him off?

Buyer and seller have to agreed to a price; no one gets ripped off unless there's some lying going on.

Oh, to something above: 32/40 is not a "slightly unusual drilling", rather the norm in the old days in UK, where ebay listing originated.

i know this drilling was the norm in the uk, especially for british-made hubs
but as you know, the campy hubs originated in italy
a much smaller number of hubs were drilled 32/40 for the british market than the 36h exported everywhere else

I agree that now, knowing the value, offering him less than he would get if he auctioned them is fine. It was more than I could probably have offered him £10 and taken them away. If he'd offered them to me at some fixed price, I could have taken them in good conscience, but to offer him a price that I considered unfair would have felt bad.