Mountain Biking - Help me choose my new disc brakes.

Its either Formula Oro Puro of Avid Juicy Ultimate.

Comments and opinions on either would be much appreciated. I've pretty much ruled out all other alternatives, so I'd really like it if comments did stick to the two models above.

Thanks in advance.

Links to both brakes:

http://www.formula-brake.it/index2.htm

http://www.sram.com/en/avid/hydraulicdiscbrakes/juicyultimate.php#

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so that when people come here asking about them, you can be the "leading" authority

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why don't you share with us why you decided on these two brake sysytems? pros/cons of each? how you think they will complement your current bicycle? finally, why did you eliminate others?

this could be a catalyst for some healthy forum discussion

If you're going to bling, bling all the way. Go for the Formula Oro and let us know about them. Translation: be our guinea pigs.

Seriously, from what I've read and understood they are supposed to be some sweet brakes. How readily can you get spare bits, though? Avid should be very easy to get spare parts for, what of the Formulas?

Get the formulas.

oopsie, if you are downhill, Avid's Ultimate is the wrong pick, Avid's CODE is the right discs for downhill

why don't you share with us why you decided on these two brake sysytems? pros/cons of each? how you think they will complement your current bicycle? finally, why did you eliminate others?

this could be a catalyst for some healthy forum discussion
Its a real simple answer to that question. The brakes are to go on a frame I've been meaning to build up for a while, and I had decided on Hope Mono Minis as they had a good looks, were quite light had received good reviews and were relatively cheap. I wasn't in a rush to get the build finished as my old bike worked fine, but then it got stolen. Naturally I was gutted, as when the new build was complete the old one was going to be my commuter. Fortunately my insurance company have been really good so far, and although its going to be a while before I get any kit, they have agreed an amount with me. Which is why I'm now shopping around with more money than I had before. The Oro's have the looks, the (lack of) weight and reviews would lead me to believe they have good performance too, plus its not my money. Well technically it is but you know what I mean.

As for the Avid Ultimate's the helpful guy who's handling my insurance claim suggested I check them out before making a final decision, and from what I have seen they look good too. Hayes I ruled out at an early stage due to negative comments on mtbr.com. Maguras on the other hand I ruled out for pure cosmetic reasons in that I don't like the appearance of the levers.

If you're going to bling, bling all the way. Go for the Formula Oro and let us know about them. Translation: be our guinea pigs.

Seriously, from what I've read and understood they are supposed to be some sweet brakes. How readily can you get spare bits, though? Avid should be very easy to get spare parts for, what of the Formulas?
Currently the Oro's have the most votes and as they were my initial choice they are looking to be the favorite. However, parts availability is a very good point. I've just had a look on what I rate as one of the best UK mail order sites and there are no spares listed, but there are for nearly all other brakes. Has anyone else got any thoughts on this? Is it likely to be an issue? You've got me thinking Santiago, I might have to do more research yet.....


oopsie, if you are downhill, Avid's Ultimate is the wrong pick, Avid's CODE is the right discs for downhill
I'm not downhill. I need an XC brake.

FWIW, I'm not terribly happy with my juicys given the amount of money I spent on them. They're OK, but not as mind boggling as the hype would suggest. They're just a little too finicky to adjust, really loud on the trail, and while the modulation is, in fact, excellent, the absolute hold of the brakes leaves a bit to be desired with 160mm rotors.
If it's strictly hardpack XC you're riding I suppose they would be a good choice.

FWIW, I'm not terribly happy with my juicys given the amount of money I spent on them. They're OK, but not as mind boggling as the hype would suggest. They're just a little too finicky to adjust, really loud on the trail, and while the modulation is, in fact, excellent, the absolute hold of the brakes leaves a bit to be desired with 160mm rotors.
If it's strictly hardpack XC you're riding I suppose they would be a good choice.
More advice pointing me toward the Oro's. Think they'll be the ones even if spares are hard to come by. Thanks for your comments AfterThisNap.

Currently the Oro's have the most votes and as they were my initial choice they are looking to be the favorite. However, parts availability is a very good point. I've just had a look on what I rate as one of the best UK mail order sites and there are no spares listed, but there are for nearly all other brakes. Has anyone else got any thoughts on this? Is it likely to be an issue? You've got me thinking Santiago, I might have to do more research yet.....


Don't despair. Contact Competitive Cyclist to see what they have for extras.
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCM?PAGE=CATEGORY_VIEW&CATEGORY.ID=725&MODE=&BRAND.ID=

Don't despair. Contact Competitive Cyclist to see what they have for extras.
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCM?PAGE=CATEGORY_VIEW&CATEGORY.ID=725&MODE=&BRAND.ID=
That might be an option if I can't find a UK stockist first. Do competitive cyclist ship stuff overseas?

That might be an option if I can't find a UK stockist first. Do competitive cyclist ship stuff overseas?

You in the UK? Ah, then I think you'll find better options in Europe than Competitive Cyclist.

Get a 07 Juicy Carbon and spend the extra money on better components, eg Wheels

This might sound generic. But Shimano makes an excellent hydro imo.

Having tired juicys and XT's (for a short time, just a loop on both)....i far prefer the XT's. They are more linear, whereas the juicy is more progressive i found.

yeah, Shimano hydros are good. Just never actually owned it.

Get a 07 Juicy Carbon and spend the extra money on better components, eg Wheels
The money factor isn't really an issue, in as much as I don't need to save on the brakes in order to get other components.

well, its just a better wheelset would save much more grams then braking system

weight & price aside, the Oro's are just cool looking!

I say the new Hopes are cool looking

well, its just a better wheelset would save much more grams then braking system
Thats certainly true and my choice of wheels is just about made. I wasn't meaning to sound rude, its just that I don't need to save money on one component to buy others.


weight & price aside, the Oro's are just cool looking!
I think they're the brakes I'm going to go with.


I say the new Hopes are cool looking
They are indeed and will be going on my other bike.

I do think I'm pretty much decided on the Oro's, so thanks to everyone that provided comments and/or voted. It might be a while before they arrive and the bike gets built up since they are comming from an insurance claim, but as soon I tried them out I'll post to let you all know how they are.

Get a 07 Juicy Carbon and spend the extra money on better components, eg Wheels

Dude, just chill. The OP didn't say he was going to get a cheapie wheelset to pay for his brakes. You really aren't an authority on much, if anything, around here. Sometimes it's ok to sit back and let someone who actually knows what they're talking about make suggestions.

Im giving a suggestion, because Juicy Ultimate is more expensive then Juicy Carbon and since Magura Marta's is out of the question, I figured a lighter wheelset like Stan's ZTR rims would be a better upgrade. Just my opinion though

I figured a lighter wheelset like Stan's ZTR rims would be a better upgrade. Just my opinion though
This is the last time I am going to explain this. I am not in an "either or" situation. I can have light disc brakes and a light wheelset. And a light any other component for that matter. While I may agree that if someone wanted to lighten their bike and could only change one component, then the brakes may not be the first choice, that is not the case here. My decisions about the rest of the components have pretty much been made and I posted here to get advice and opinions on two models of disc brake ONLY. As you can see from my first post I expected someone to start talking about other disc brakes that I may have or may not already considered, so I politely requested that comments stuck to the two models I listed. I didn't anticipate people going so off topic that they were advising me to spend the money on wheels instead.

haiz.... I told you already, its my opinion only. Anyway, if you are looking for XC brakes, my picks are Avid Juicy Ultimate, Hope Mono Mini, Magura Marta SL, Shimano XTR

soooo, what's the verdict?

jst0076 its your call, seems the juicy ultimate has the most vote already

jst0076 its your call, seems the juicy ultimate has the most vote already
Juicy ultimate does have the most votes, but I think I'm going to go with the Oro Puros. Sending the email to my insurer in the next couple of days (hopefully). 90% decided at this stage.

Juicy ultimate does have the most votes, but I think I'm going to go with the Oro Puros. Sending the email to my insurer in the next couple of days (hopefully). 90% decided at this stage.

Do it. I know many people with Hope, Magura and Avid brakes but no one with Oro. I would like to come back to you in the future to see how you like them.

I agree with you Santiago, after you got the brakes, write us a report ok?

went riding in the wet today, the juicys were a little better after breaking in, but were insanely loud, as in scream at the top of your lungs loud.

you are using a 06 rotor or a 07 rotor, 07 rotor has changed the design abit, so far my Juicy 3 rotor is very quiet

oopsie, if you are downhill, Avid's Ultimate is the wrong pick, Avid's CODE is the right discs for downhill


Uh-oh, I'm running the wrong brakes. Better trade my Juicy's in for Codes.

Uh-oh, I'm running the wrong brakes. Better trade my Juicy's in for Codes.


And all of those manufacturers are spec'ing the wrong brakes on their DH bikes!

you are using a 06 rotor or a 07 rotor, 07 rotor has changed the design abit, so far my Juicy 3 rotor is very quiet


I'm using 07 clean sweeps. The pads don't hit the spokes. The juicy 3 is a totally different design, it may be why yours are quieter.

Uh-oh, I'm running the wrong brakes. Better trade my Juicy's in for Codes.


You better verify that with your sponsors, first. You don't want them to boot ya out! :(

well, I dont think Avid Juicy wont be a problem on the dh bike, only Juicy Ultimate because its already stated on Avid's website that it is a XC brake, Avid Juicy 3-7 Carbon would do fine for downhill bikes I guess. The difference between Juicy and Code if im not mistaken is Juicy is a 2-piston brake while Code is a 4-piston. Oh yeah and what you mean totally different design? The calipers is a different design but the rotors are the same

'07 XTR. Any comments?

never used it, but seen it at my race, equipped on a Transition bike which has a military camoufladge themed. Forgot what its called, too bad its for display only, full XTR bike very nice. The design is okay, nothing to WOW about, rotor design is nice but cant beat the new Hope rotors

If only we all read as much as wheelhot, then we'd all be experts.

If only we all read as much as wheelhot, then we'd all be experts.

Compared to wheelhot, we ARE all experts! :p

I might have been drinking (finished my finals today), but that cracked me up :D

Dude, i hope we get a chance to ride together again. You can go first next time :p

I might have been drinking (finished my finals today), but that cracked me up :D

Dude, i hope we get a chance to ride together again. You can go first next time :p

I try!

For sure...I'll always be up for NC as long as I can get away...plus you guys can always come out here (we have some okay rides) and we could even pop over to BC and ride some of the decent trails they have there ;) Or I was also thinking about some of the western states next year...

yeah, you guys got more experienced then me!!, but I read too much, now im a bike addict, Geez, how to get this addictness off!!!!

yeah, you guys got more experienced then me!!, but I read too much, now im a bike addict, Geez, how to get this addictness off!!!!

Try riding more and read less.

Try riding more and read less.

Riding? I much rather prefer to sit at the trailhead looking good...

:D

Riding? I much rather prefer to sit at the trailhead looking good...

:D

Isn't that all you can do until your nomad is built up?:p ;) :D

Try riding more and read less.

I was going to suggest undiluted bleach.

But you're right, more riding would be better, and less burny

yeah, you guys got more experienced then me!!, but I read too much, now im a bike addict, Geez, how to get this addictness off!!!!


Uh hello. I exist. *waves* As long as I am here, you are not the bottom of the pit.

I realise some women need constant booster shots of self esteem, but geez!

You're an attractive female that rides mtn bikes, thats all you need.

Trust me, you're above wheelhot...as much as we love him :)