Fifty Plus (50+) - Waterford vs. Gunnar.......

What is the relationship between Gunnar and Waterford? I have looked at both web sites and can't figure it out.

Waterford is a top of the line custom or semicustom bike frame manufacturer.

Gunnar is their lower end mass production stuff.

By the way - the Gunnar is still above average by a significant amount.

Hi,
Gunnar is a hell of a bike, but if you can afford Waterford, do it.
I have a Gunnar.

Thanks. My impression is that Waterford does some work for Gunnar and/or provides some materials and/or services. Is that correct?

As cyclintom said. Waterford and Gunnar are the same-Gunnar is their production frame.

Gunnar is Waterford. Gunnar frames are TIG welded. Waterfords are lugged.

Herons (http://www.heronbicycles.com/) are made by Waterford, as well.

Can hardly go wrong with any steel produced in Waterford, Wisconsin.

Just sayin'....

The same guys in the same shop weld both bikes. The basic designs are similar.
The Schwinn family owns Waterford, needed a 'budget' line to keep his guys busy.
So he started Gunnar. Gunnar, btw, is the name of his dog.

Herons (http://www.heronbicycles.com/) are made by Waterford, as well.

Can hardly go wrong with any steel produced in Waterford, Wisconsin.

Just sayin'....

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They are also making the A. Homer Hilsen frames for Rivendell. At least for now.
http://www.rivbike.com/bikes/a_homer_hilsen

Gunnar is Waterford. Gunnar frames are TIG welded. Waterfords are lugged.

Actually Waterford offers both TIG and lugged. Their lightest (and most expensive) frame is R33 and is TIG.

I have a Gunnar Roadie, great steel frame, nice tight handling.

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They are also making the A. Homer Hilsen frames for Rivendell. At least for now.
http://www.rivbike.com/bikes/a_homer_hilsen
Concerning those - the other day I was over at Rivendell and looked at an A. Homer Hilsen on the rack and I've got to tell you that I was really impressed with the workmanship. That wasn't just a nice general purpose design for a lard butt like someone I might know, but also the sort of bike you take out into your living room just to look at it.

Actually Waterford offers both TIG and lugged. Their lightest (and most expensive) frame is R33 and is TIG.

I have a Gunnar Roadie, great steel frame, nice tight handling.
Ten to one you bought it from Dennis Stone.

yep, so you owe me 10. (which side were you betting on?) :)

I didn't know they were in Waterford, WI. I go through there occasionally, as it's less than 50 miles from me. There's a little dinky looking restaurant downtown that makes one of the best chicken curry dishes that I've ever tasted. At least it was there in the summer of '06, the last time I was in Waterford.

I'd love to get a little factory tour.

Waterford/Gunner is owned by Marc Muller and Richard Schwinn. When I had my Waterford 2200 built I worked with Marc. He listened to me, what type of riding I was going to do and what type of handling I wanted, IT IS A PERFECT FRAME. They also build highend BMX frames, sorry I can't remember for who.

Waterford/Gunner is owned by Marc Muller and Richard Schwinn. When I had my Waterford 2200 built I worked with Marc. He listened to me, what type of riding I was going to do and what type of handling I wanted, IT IS A PERFECT FRAME. They also build highend BMX frames, sorry I can't remember for who.
Schwinn moved production of their top-end Paramounts from Chicago to Waterford, WI at the end of the '70s. When Schwinn went backrupt in the early '90s Richard Schwinn and Marc Muller bought the Waterford facility, but were unable to aquire the "Paramount" logo, thus was born Waterford Bikes. Those who own Paramounts are thrilled to see the Paramont tradition live on, albeit in a rebadged bike.

great co.,{people to work with**. you can personally talk to Mark, Richard or his wife any time concerning their bikes, mfg. process and any detailed information if one is being made for you.
My Waterford 2200 is an outstanding bike and the workman ship is exquisite with the lugs,welding and paint.