Classic & Vintage - Despicable Disgusting Blasphemy!

Sorry, I am not one to get worked up over conversions but this takes the cake as being the worst candidate I have ever seen!
http://i24.ebayimg.com/03/i/08/68/32/d6_3.JPG

my spelling correction aren't coming up in the title, how embarrassing.

Yeah, it would look better with the braze-ons and hanger cut off.

Yeah, it would look better with the braze-ons and hanger cut off.

I know you don't mean that.

Fixed the title for you. :)

And I agree. That bike should be full campagnolo Record (Super Record perhaps?) equipped and hanging in my study. A beautiful example of a road frame that shouldn't be stripped down for fixed gear use.

No worse than ANY OTHER fixie conversion.
You could follow the rider around until he does a faceplant into the back of a garbage truck and salvage the frame after the EMTs cart him off.
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Me WANT! Me WANT!

-Kurt :D

Awww....lighten up. His only gaffe was not having a Campy brakeset on it. (Hate to see a road bike with no brakes, and cable guides. One may as well keep the brakes, you don't have to use them).


It's not like he commited a cardinal sin, like repaint or shaving braze-ons!

He is forgiven. But honestly I would have to ride it for a few months for a deeper analysis of it's worthiness.

A picture just won't do.:D

I'm not sure I see the problem here.

I'm not in favour of riding brakeless on the street, but I can see why people do it. I've got the Carlton Grand Prix sitting with no tape, no levers, no brakes etc, and it looks so cool I just want to slap a chain and a fixed wheelset on and ride! Anyhow, I think it looks cool, and I certainly don't mind that he's not running gears on it.

Super Corsa! In blue, and my frame size! Gimmie gimmie gimmie!

:roflmao:

Truth be told though, I'd be hunting down a Super Corsa if it weren't that I've heard that they have a tendency to crack in spots...

Take care,

-Kurt

I vote that the owner receive a damn good slapping aka "Flying High" style and his bike taken off him. I also volunteer to "look after" the bike.

P.S.: Only thing I can find to complain about is that it's a perfect waste of a Victory strada gruppo. Should have used Super Record pista.

-Kurt

I vote that the owner receive a damn good slapping aka "Flying High" style and his bike taken off him. I also volunteer to "look after" the bike.

You take care of the slapping. I'll take care of the bike. You can have the wheelset. I'll take the frame :beer:

I'm in :love: with this particular Super Corsa.

^
...that smiley would be a bit more appropriate for a De Rosa...eh? :p

-Kurt

I refuse to post any comment regarding this bike.

Quick release rear hub on a fixed gear, isnt that kind of a no-no?

It's ok that there aren't any brakes on it. There aren't any pedals either. ;)

I happen to think that's a beautiful bike. The owner has in no way damaged the frame be removing braze ons so I don't see a problem. Fixed gears can be lovely bikes. Thet distill the bicycle down to it's purest form. While I can't ride one where I'm at without a brake (too many hills) for those that live in a topography where you can it makes for the ultimate in uncluttered bike buildup. here's my beater Here's my beater fixie, which doesn't violate a frame anyone lusts after lol. Other brake levers on there for something to grab when climbing.

http://velospace.org/files/Raleigh.jpg

I happen to think that's a beautiful bike. The owner has in no way damaged the frame be removing braze ons so I don't see a problem. Fixed gears can be lovely bikes. Thet distill the bicycle down to it's purest form. While I can't ride one where I'm at without a brake (too many hills) for those that live in a topography where you can it makes for the ultimate in uncluttered bike buildup. Here's my beater fixie, which doesn't violate a frame anyone lusts after lol. Other brake levers on there for something to grab when climbing.

http://velospace.org/files/Raleigh.jpg

I happen to think that's a beautiful bike. The owner has in no way damaged the frame be removing braze ons so I don't see a problem. Fixed gears can be lovely bikes. Thet distill the bicycle down to it's purest form. While I can't ride one where I'm at without a brake (too many hills) for those that live in a topography where you can it makes for the ultimate in uncluttered bike buildup. here's my beater Here's my beater fixie, which doesn't violate a frame anyone lusts after lol. Other brake levers on there for something to grab when climbing.

The stays on that particular Technium are steel, I hope - correct?

-Kurt

I dont know, thats a pretty clean looking Cinelli. It still has the braze-ons and derailleur hanger intact, so I guess it be o.k.

Of course if we were 'Bike Forum's' Gestapo we'd have to "detain him" for a few hours, check out his bike, and after a thorough trouncing send him on his way. :D

I don't know, I'm getting "mellow" in my old age. My take is that he didn't destroy
the bike, and if thats what it takes for him to ride it, so be it.
Of course if it were an old SC (old logo) or Mod B then I'd be screaming for
his head on a stake (or maybe a few old spokes) outside of Cycles D'Oro

Okay Okay, he didn't do anything that can't be put back and that is good I just feel a Cinelli deserves better. If you wanted to make one of your bikes a fixed gear would you take the best one out of the bunch and do it? Probably not. That bike just screams super or C-record to me.

If you wanted to make one of your bikes a fixed gear would you take the best one out of the bunch and do it? Probably not.

You aren't taking into account that this guy's best bike might be an NOS curly-stay Hetchins, and that this Super Corsa is the crappiest of his collection...

-Kurt

Okay Okay, he didn't do anything that can't be put back and that is good I just feel a Cinelli deserves better. If you wanted to make one of your bikes a fixed gear would you take the best one out of the bunch and do it?

Well, yeah. The best bike in the bunch is going to ride the best, regardless of drivetrain.

As forum regulars know, fixed-gear is decidedly NOT my thing, but as long as the conversion is done reversibly, with no damage to the frame, I don't see a problem. I do strongly believe, however, that a front brake should be required on every bicycle ridden on a public street.

If you wanted to make one of your bikes a fixed gear would you take the best one out of the bunch and do it? Probably not. That bike just screams super or C-record to me.

It depends on how much I liked fixed gear, but yeah, maybe. Maybe the bike was hanging in his dads garage, covered in dust and he decided to put it to use.

whare did the photo come from is it for sale somewhare?

The crankset is for sale and I think the owner took the opportunity to showoff his frame.

Bet it's light.

Um I think it looks pretty damn good. Some of us are pretty happy to use conversions. I just converted my Reynolds 753 bike that had a full campy groupo. I can't for the life of me understand the enthusiasm for old campy parts. They look fine and dandy...but if I am going to use a derailer I want one that has a lot of teeth capacity. Why use a derailer if you arent going to climb? The fixie is a solid statement of giving up the bling. Just because it is a Cinelli doesnt mean it was the best frame ever made. I happen to think people are getting to crazy over old crappy outdated derailers. Why on earth would you want to use a Huret or Simplex/ or old Campy when for less than over inflated vintage price you can beat the snot out of an Ultegra or 105 part and not worry about its collector esteem.

The stays on that particular Technium are steel, I hope - correct?

-Kurt
I believe so, why do you ask

Personally, I like conversions. If you are going to ride a fixed gear bike on the road, converting a classic road bike frame makes a lot more sense than running out and buying a Bianchi Pista like the fad-following crowd.

So it doesn't offend me. Just don't dremel off the hangers and bosses.

Why on earth would you want to use a Huret or Simplex/ or old Campy when for less than over inflated vintage price you can beat the snot out of an Ultegra or 105 part and not worry about its collector esteem.

I hear you can get just as drunk on $5.00/gallon wine that comes in a cardboard box just as effectively as a bottle of aged select vintage Bordeaux.

I hear you can get just as drunk on $5.00/gallon wine that comes in a cardboard box just as effectively as a bottle of aged select vintage Bordeaux.

I dunno, man. Once you go slant parallelogram, it's hard to go back.

I'm sorry, but what are braze-ons?
The things the cable connect to?

I'm he kind of guy who'd love to make a fixie out of something like that . . . . .

. . . . . . . only I'd change the decals to Huffy.

I'm sorry, but what are braze-ons?
The things the cable connect to?

Exactly. If I may quote Sheldon's bike dictionary:

Braze-on
A small fitting permanently attached to a frame. On traditional steel frames these attachments are held on by brazing, but the term "braze-on" is also used for fittings that are welded, glued, rivetted or moulded on to frames of other materials. Typical braze-ons would include cable stops and guides, water bottle cage mounts, shift lever bosses, cantilever brake bosses and cable stops, pump pegs, etc.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_bo-z.html

I think that Cinelli is just perfect. Coversions are great b/c road frames work best on-the road. Duh! Also the frame now sees the light of day instead of being just wall art.
I also agree that the bike should sport both F and R brakes for safety. If you choose to use the original rear wheel then you will not be able to backpedal to slow the rear wheel as that can loosen the rear cog even if it has a BB lockring on it.
The only thing cooler looking is a Cinelli Pista frame with full Campy Pista grouppo. You can buy one (NOS frame) from a shop near me. PM me if you want details. Gerry

I do strongly believe, however, that a front brake should be required on every bicycle ridden on a public street.

why?

oh man, I am not going to respond. . . I am not going to respond. . .I am. . .ah screw it

why use old components? because this is the cranky & vintage forum and well, thats what we do.
I don't need 10 cogs to climb, my nuovo, super and corsa record derailleurs wrap enough chain
for me thank you very much. Now let me temper that with the fact that
I'm in Texas and round here we don't have huge hills. If we did my campy ergo 8 is fine, and if
I needed more I'd go with a compact crankset.
sure 105, or ultegra is good stuff, same with veloce and centaur but, for me thats not what I personally
want to put on a vintage bike, others may differ.

A solid statement of giving up the bling? what the hell is that?
tell me you ride fixed to train, to build spin or power, you'll get no arguement from me.
Tell me you ride fixed as a "statement", I'll probably mutter something about ok, hipsterism, and
wonder how riding a Cinelli is giving up bling.
If fixed is giving up the bling how does one justify a vanilla fixie?

C&V is about celebrating the "Bling" as you put it, go look at the classic and vintage rides.

Well said Lotek!

Sorry, I am not one to get worked up over conversions but this takes the cake as being the worst candidate I have ever seen!

hmmm....actually it sounds like you ARE one to get worked up over conversions. :)

i can kinda see why people don't like these types of conversions. but if you want to ride a fixed gear on the road, this seems better to me than riding a track bike with really tight geometry. but to each his/her own.

EDIT:
this has been discussed in the ssfg forum:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=242360&highlight=stop

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=242390&highlight=track+street

The best FG conversion candidates are nice frames with components that are either seriously outdated, broken or missing.

Right now I have a very nice old touring frame in my garage that could be something very special. Sure, I could restore it to it's original vintage glory, but I just don't have that much vintage campy laying around in my garage.

At least put a ****ing brake on it.

I'm with John E. on this one. There's nothing to keep the present or potential future owner from converting back to a geared bike except the parts and a couple of hours.

What's the big deal?


:beer:

Previous quote paraphrased ' Front brake required'

why?

Because 80% of your stopping power is invested in it. Because it's unsafe to ride without it. Because cagers open doors. Because pedestrians do unexpected things. Because we share our world with kids, dogs, the elderly and otherwise self involved/oblivious people who dont look before running across the street. Because it's what responsible riders require.

DG1

Previous quote paraphrased ' Front brake required'


Because 80% of your stopping power is invested in it. Because it's unsafe to ride without it. Because cagers open doors. Because pedestrians do unexpected things. Because we share our world with kids, dogs, the elderly and otherwise self involved/oblivious people who dont look before running across the street. Because it's what responsible riders require.

DG1

having brakes on my bike hasn't kept me from getting doored...paying attention is a better way to avoid the unexpected things, otherwise you are one of the self-involved/oblivious people, but you're operating a vehicle. That front brake is giving you the illusion of safety. The people that I know that ride fixed can stop as quick as most people who have brakes. Being aware of what's going on around you is REALLY what responsible riders require.

thank you

having brakes on my bike hasn't kept me from getting doored...paying attention is a better way to avoid the unexpected things, otherwise you are one of the self-involved/oblivious people, but you're operating a vehicle. That front brake is giving you the illusion of safety. The people that I know that ride fixed can stop as quick as most people who have brakes. Being aware of what's going on around you is REALLY what responsible riders require.

thank you
You're acting like each is mutually exclusive, that if you have a front brake you must not pay as much attention.

did you read what I was responding to??? DG1's statement made it seem like the front brake can SAVE you from all of those things.

did you read what I was responding to??? DG1's statement made it seem like the front brake can SAVE you from all of those things.
Yes, I did, but you made it sound like people that don't have a front brake pay more attention, so that even if they could stop better, who cares since they're paying more attention.