Southern California - Cross Post from the Road Forums

I don't know if this was allowed, but I wanted to post this on SoCal forums. I have been lurking for some time and decided it was time to ask for opinions. Since I'm located in Glendale area, I wanted to post here as well.

I have been mountain biking for the past year and have loved it. Technically, I only started biking in April '06 and have ridden a little over 600 miles since then. I really enjoy mountain biking but have begun using my bike (2006 Specialized Rockhopper Comp Disc) to commute to work in addition to riding it on trails. As I began to commute, my interest in road bikes developed. I want to put some serious miles on the weekends and look more into fitness.

To be honest, I have been lusting after road bikes for the past few months and I just received the "thumbs up" from the wife to get my bike. I have spent many a late night researching which components I should get, how much money I will have to invest, etc.

So I went to my LBS today and talked to them about the bikes I was interested in... Specialized Tarmac Comp, Specialized Roubaix Comp and the Trek 5000. All are similar in price and components. The person I spoke to stated that he favored the Specialized bikes due to the fact that the bottom brackets were very stiff (compared to the Trek 5000) while the rest of the frame is complaint. This was something I didn't even know anything about! I wonder if there is anything else I need to look out for!

So, my question is this... if you were in my position, which bike would you buy and why?

1. I would use this bike to commute 26 miles round trip, twice a week.
2. I live on a hill so whenever I finished a ride, I would need to ride up this hill (10% grade for about a mile)
3. I would be mostly a weekend rider, I might be able to steal out of the house once a week for a night ride.

Thanks for your opinions!

Also, I had them weigh the Specialized Roubaix Comp and it came out to just under 20 lbs (54 cm), is that a good weight? My Rockhopper is 28 lbs for the 17 in frame. I never felt the weight of the bike become a factor until I began to commute and had to ride up my hill to go home.

Have you test ridden any of these??? if not I'd start there and see what YOU like....

Hi ClanLee...welcome! :) For starters, anyone can post in here. We are not exclusive or "clicky" although I'm sure we may appear that way from time to time since so many of us have met and ridden with one another. But anyone is welcome here. Also, you ARE a so-caler anyway if you live in Glendale!
I'm not offering any advice on the bike as others here can do better than I can. But I will offer you congrats on considering a road bike. Nothing in the world like it! :D

Does the sales person sell Specialized AND Trek? OF course a shop that sells Specialized is going to prefer Specialized and the Trek dealer is going to prefer Trek!:D

Does the sales person sell Specialized AND Trek? OF course a shop that sells Specialized is going to prefer Specialized and the Trek dealer is going to prefer Trek!:D


Yeah it seems there are alot of "concept" type stores these days that the majority of the bikes they carry are a specific brand.....

Have you test ridden any of these??? if not I'd start there and see what YOU like....

They only had the Roubaix in my size. I didn't get too much time on the bike, but it felt comfortable. I need to schedule a time when they have the other bikes in stock for a test ride.

You'll probably like the Roubaix Comp, assuming it fit, the most since it comes with a compact crank.

Id try and ride it more.... some shops have demos you can rent and the money will go towards a purchase of a bike usually.... Might wanna consider that

Hi ClanLee...welcome! :) For starters, anyone can post in here. We are not exclusive or "clicky" although I'm sure we may appear that way from time to time since so many of us have met and ridden with one another. But anyone is welcome here. Also, you ARE a so-caler anyway if you live in Glendale!
I'm not offering any advice on the bike as others here can do better than I can. But I will offer you congrats on considering a road bike. Nothing in the world like it! :D

Thanks merider1! What I meant about "if this was ok", I was thinking about cross posting the same message in different forums. But thank you for your considerate thought. As I said, I have been lurking on this board for months and after reading so many of the posts, it seems like I know everyone... even though you don't know me!

There are so many things to look out for, that it's really not worth looking out for them for a first time road bike. You've got good options there, test drive them and pick the one you like best. Make sure to get a good tough hill in during the test ride.

If you really get into it, you'll find you prefer riding the bike in and you may (or may not) find things you don't like about the bike, and if you do, you may want to upgrade. When I was regularly commuting, I put in the amount of money I saved in gas into the bike upgrade fund. For me that was about $50/month.

I'm jealous as I'm not comfortable commuting from where I live now.

Does the sales person sell Specialized AND Trek? OF course a shop that sells Specialized is going to prefer Specialized and the Trek dealer is going to prefer Trek!:D

Yes, the lbs sells both Specialized and Trek bikes. Although, when I was looking at mountain bikes (I bought it at the same shop), I was initially looking at the Trek 4500 and the sales person sold me the Rockhopper instead! What does that tell you! :)

You'll probably like the Roubaix Comp, assuming it fit, the most since it comes with a compact crank.

After reading the thread about the different cranks, I asked about switching out the crank on the Tramac if I decided on that bike. They said that it wouldn't be a problem to switch it from the standard to the compact.

Id try and ride it more.... some shops have demos you can rent and the money will go towards a purchase of a bike usually.... Might wanna consider that

Thanks for the idea. I will ask if they have demos to ride. When I did ask about test rides, they only offered to let me ride it around the block... which wasn't sufficient.

Thanks for the idea. I will ask if they have demos to ride. When I did ask about test rides, they only offered to let me ride it around the block... which wasn't sufficient.


Yeah renting one will get you the saddle time it takes to get the bike setup to your liking and to see how it really feels over a longer period of time...

Yes, the lbs sells both Specialized and Trek bikes. Although, when I was looking at mountain bikes (I bought it at the same shop), I was initially looking at the Trek 4500 and the sales person sold me the Rockhopper instead! What does that tell you! :)

Tells me that you are wasting time here cause you are going to buy the Specialized at the suggestion of the salesperson.;)

There are so many things to look out for, that it's really not worth looking out for them for a first time road bike. You've got good options there, test drive them and pick the one you like best. Make sure to get a good tough hill in during the test ride.

If you really get into it, you'll find you prefer riding the bike in and you may (or may not) find things you don't like about the bike, and if you do, you may want to upgrade. When I was regularly commuting, I put in the amount of money I saved in gas into the bike upgrade fund. For me that was about $50/month.

I'm jealous as I'm not comfortable commuting from where I live now.

Thanks for the advice. I will try to get as much information about the bikes and hope to get good feedback from this board to make a sound decision.

I never thought about how much I was saving by commuting. I just realized that instead of every 1.5 weeks for gas, it would be every 3 weeks that I would need to fill up! :p

Also, I had them weigh the Specialized Roubaix Comp and it came out to just under 20 lbs (54 cm), is that a good weight? My Rockhopper is 28 lbs for the 17 in frame. I never felt the weight of the bike become a factor until I began to commute and had to ride up my hill to go home.
Your fat tires are probably more of an issue for speed than the 8 lb you think you have to much of. But if it makes you feel better, my road bike weighs 24 lb and I'm fine with that, so 20 is good. Oh, and I used to race nationally on a 26 lb bike.

10% is very steep....I'd be looking for a Suzuki or Yamaha! :D :D

Your fat tires are probably more of an issue for speed than the 8 lb you think you have to much of.

The suspension also has a negative effect on speed. But, a hardtail MTB or full suspension bike with the lockout on and slick tires gives you most of the efficiency of a road bike.

The road bike will still have a few advantages: drop bars, tigher gear spacing, higher gearing, and lighter weight.

Clan you didn't mention and maybe I missed this, do any of the bike you are reviewing come with a triple crank? Are you considering a triple?

I know guys have this "thing" about doubles (or compact doubles), but listening to how you plan on using the bike and considering your background is mountain biking (which is by background as well), I would strongly consider getting a machine with a triple.

In addition, sizing on a road bike is so much more important than a mountain bike. Any shop should size you to the particular bike you plan on buying (each bike is different). This doesn't just mean standover room, it means top tube, crank distance, many different measurements.

Also do you plan on carrying stuff, such as a change of clothing on the bike? You might want to look for one with brazons or which can support a clip on seat rack. If so, stay away from a carbon seat post.

Materials are also important. Aluminum on a mountain bike is OK because of the suspension, but it may not be what you want on a road bike. I strongly suggest a nice steel bike but realize others will suggest carbon or Ti. Also do you know what stiff means? Stiff may not be something you want on a bike that you plan on comuting with and doing weekend rides. Stiff is good for Club bikes - those you use to do fast, hard 30 - 40 milers. Flexible is better with computer and weekend rides.

And as everyone suggests, ride the bike. Period. Feel how it performs on the road. Bring and wear a heavy Camelbak. And ride around he parking lot 15 times in order to get some seat time ont he bike. That will give you some idea of your compute.

I know you already have an idea of what bike you want but may I suggest:

Lemond Sarthe

Frame: True Temper OX Platinum Steel
Fork: Bontrager Carbon
Wheels: Bontrager Race
Group: Shimano 105/Ultegra (can easily be upgraded)

or

Lemond Poprad Disc

Frame: True Temper OX Platinum cross disc
Fork: Bontrager Switchblade Elite Carbon
Wheels: Bontrager Select disc
Group: Shimano 105

Or the Jamis Eclipse or Quest or the Supernova.

Or even cooler - go custom like Landshark or DeSalvo!!!


Have fun shopping!!!

They are all good bikes, get what fits best and is most comfortable for you to ride.

Maybe my opinion will be in the minority, but one of things I would do personally, I'd buy a low cost (not CHEAP) bike with the basic features you're looking for (based on all the previous advice). Then, in a year or so, once you're used to more frequent & longer road rides, you'll know better what you like, what kind of riding you're doing the most and you upgrade to a pricier version tailored to that kind of riding.

For a newer rider, I don't know that the differences between a basic bike and a higher-end bike will be that noticeable - but they will be when you have some good miles under your belt and decide to upgrade. It took me a couple years to realize I preferred the long, long rides and mountain climbs, which is when I upgraded.

As I was reading through this I thought, "ClanLee is probably more confused now than he was before." As you can see, there are many opinions out there and they are differ based on everyones' personal experiences. Remember, that they are just opinions.

I personally think that aluminum bikes are perfectly fine for So Cal riding where we typically don't have the bad road conditions of other states with different weather issues. Also, stiff bikes are not just for 30-40 club rides. I have a Specialized Allez Pro (Aluminmum) that I have used to log 750+ months and never wished that I had a steel or less stiff bike (nor carbon nor Ti). I've used it for centuries, Mt. Baldy climbs, triathlons, and even trips to the grocery store.

The Double/Compact/Triple debate has valid arguments on all sides and it all comes down to your abilities and preferences. Are you OK with turning 39x25 up the hill to your house? Hopefully you can keep at least a 70 cadence. With your MB background, my guess is you will be fine. Compacts and Triples are about the same in gear ranges. I have a triple on my roadie (because it came with one) and a standard double on my tri bike.

Ride the bikes, choose the one that fits you the best. If they all fit well, choose the color you like best because you will ride it more and will be less likely to bail on your commute and take the car.

Don't be surprised if 6 months from now you start looking for your next bike...it's almost unavoidable. Good luck and keep us posted. Join us for a ride when you can!

As I was reading through this I thought, "ClanLee is probably more confused now than he was before." As you can see, there are many opinions out there and they are differ based on everyones' personal experiences. Remember, that they are just opinions.

I personally think that aluminum bikes are perfectly fine for So Cal riding where we typically don't have the bad road conditions of other states with different weather issues. Also, stiff bikes are not just for 30-40 club rides. I have a Specialized Allez Pro (Aluminmum) that I have used to log 750+ months and never wished that I had a steel or less stiff bike (nor carbon nor Ti). I've used it for centuries, Mt. Baldy climbs, triathlons, and even trips to the grocery store.

The Double/Compact/Triple debate has valid arguments on all sides and it all comes down to your abilities and preferences. Are you OK with turning 39x25 up the hill to your house? Hopefully you can keep at least a 70 cadence. With your MB background, my guess is you will be fine. Compacts and Triples are about the same in gear ranges. I have a triple on my roadie (because it came with one) and a standard double on my tri bike.

Ride the bikes, choose the one that fits you the best. If they all fit well, choose the color you like best because you will ride it more and will be less likely to bail on your commute and take the car.

Don't be surprised if 6 months from now you start looking for your next bike...it's almost unavoidable. Good luck and keep us posted. Join us for a ride when you can!

Well said. Especially the next bike part.

Well said. Especially the next bike part.

Thanks...actually it got me thinking. Maybe I'll hit some shops today. That Soloist Carbon has been calling my name for a while...then again, I should probably drop some more lbs first.

Thanks...actually it got me thinking. Maybe I'll hit some shops today. That Soloist Carbon has been calling my name for a while...then again, I should probably drop some more lbs first.

Why drop pounds? The Soloist Carbon would do that for you!

Would you be getting a 54?

Probably...but maybe a 51. Tough to say with Cervelos until you get on them. Girard thought I should get my P2 SL in 54 but the 51 fit much better.

Probably...but maybe a 51. Tough to say with Cervelos until you get on them. Girard thought I should get my P2 SL in 54 but the 51 fit much better.

You should get a 51!

Yeah, I thought that might fit YOU better.

These are pretty sexy too http://www.orbea-usa.com/smallpic/OnixTDF_big.jpg

Your fat tires are probably more of an issue for speed than the 8 lb you think you have to much of. But if it makes you feel better, my road bike weighs 24 lb and I'm fine with that, so 20 is good. Oh, and I used to race nationally on a 26 lb bike.

I thought about swapping tires on my bike... but the hassle of swapping!!! So I thought about purchasing a spare wheelset with slicks... but since I have disc brakes, the cost started to add up. The reason I ask was then I was looking at the Fuji bikes, they were starting at 16.5 lbs.

Yeah, I thought that might fit YOU better.

These are pretty sexy too http://www.orbea-usa.com/smallpic/OnixTDF_big.jpg

Did you know the Incycle in Pasadena (I think) has an 06 Onix with Ultegra in a 51 for $2000?

10% is very steep....I'd be looking for a Suzuki or Yamaha! :D :D

The start of my ride is always a thrill! :D

Clan you didn't mention and maybe I missed this, do any of the bike you are reviewing come with a triple crank? Are you considering a triple?

I know guys have this "thing" about doubles (or compact doubles), but listening to how you plan on using the bike and considering your background is mountain biking (which is by background as well), I would strongly consider getting a machine with a triple.

I had originally thought about getting a triple, but after much thought and research, I decided to go for the compact double. Most of my riding on the hills are done on my middle ring (22t/32t/44t) on my mountain bike.


Also do you plan on carrying stuff, such as a change of clothing on the bike? You might want to look for one with brazons or which can support a clip on seat rack. If so, stay away from a carbon seat post.

I usually plan my commutes and take my clothes to work for the week so I don't have to carry anything but my camelbak. In there, it's just water, food, multi-tool, wallet and cell phone. I am going to minimize even further when I get my road bike and stop using my camelbak.


Materials are also important. Aluminum on a mountain bike is OK because of the suspension, but it may not be what you want on a road bike. I strongly suggest a nice steel bike but realize others will suggest carbon or Ti. Also do you know what stiff means? Stiff may not be something you want on a bike that you plan on comuting with and doing weekend rides. Stiff is good for Club bikes - those you use to do fast, hard 30 - 40 milers. Flexible is better with computer and weekend rides.

And as everyone suggests, ride the bike. Period. Feel how it performs on the road. Bring and wear a heavy Camelbak. And ride around he parking lot 15 times in order to get some seat time ont he bike. That will give you some idea of your compute.

I know you already have an idea of what bike you want but may I suggest:

Lemond Sarthe

Frame: True Temper OX Platinum Steel
Fork: Bontrager Carbon
Wheels: Bontrager Race
Group: Shimano 105/Ultegra (can easily be upgraded)

or

Lemond Poprad Disc

Frame: True Temper OX Platinum cross disc
Fork: Bontrager Switchblade Elite Carbon
Wheels: Bontrager Select disc
Group: Shimano 105

Or the Jamis Eclipse or Quest or the Supernova.

Or even cooler - go custom like Landshark or DeSalvo!!!


Have fun shopping!!!

I was seriously considering getting a Cyclocross bike and thought that it would be a good transition from a mountain bike... but after purchasing my mountain bike and getting a good feel for what I like and don't like, I don't want to be in a position to purchase another bike in a year or two (my wife would kill me!!! :eek: ). So I decided to just with both feet into the deep end of the pool.

Thank you for the suggestions, as I said before, I have much more research to do!

Make sure you check out Budget Bicycles...they are in Eagle Rock...and are really great...worth a trip to see what they have!

Did you know the Incycle in Pasadena (I think) has an 06 Onix with Ultegra in a 51 for $2000?


What are you waiting for?

I was seriously considering getting a Cyclocross bike and thought that it would be a good transition from a mountain bike... but after purchasing my mountain bike and getting a good feel for what I like and don't like, I don't want to be in a position to purchase another bike in a year or two (my wife would kill me!!! :eek: ). So I decided to just with both feet into the deep end of the pool.

Thank you for the suggestions, as I said before, I have much more research to do!

After a year or two of regular commuting and putting rides in over the weekend, you're going to be a stud, and I'm sure your wife will be very supportive of your cycling!

Light touring cyclocross bike are pretty good options also, just swap out the tires for regular road tires and you should be good to go. They often come with braze-ons for racks and fenders also. I use what most would consider a light touring bike. (Standard road geometry, slightly longer chainstay, triple cranks etc) I've got two sets of wheels, one for road rides, and one for touring, loaded commuting.

Here are a couple of examples from Bianchi:

Light touring:
http://gianni.bianchiusa.com/2003/site/bikes/24_SanRemo.html

Volpe:
http://gianni.bianchiusa.com/2003/site/bikes/20_Volpe.html